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McCain: If U.S. uses torture, nation will suffer (US in Afghanistan for "rest of the 21st century")
CBS News ^ | 2011-05-13 | David S. Morgan

Posted on 05/13/2011 6:01:53 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years, has rejected the argument that torture was necessary to successfully combat terrorism - and denied claims that waterboarding detainees provided intelligence that helped end the manhunt for Osama bin Laden.

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On CBS' "The Early Show" Friday, McCain denied claims made by Rep. Peter King, the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, who said earlier this week that through the use of such tactics, a courier for the al Qaeda leader was identified.

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"Through normal, conventional interrogation techniques - and by the way I've seen it in Bagram - and with without these enhanced interrogation techniques, we can get more accurate, more valuable information," McCain continued. "And most importantly, preserve our commitments by our Constitution, by the Geneva Conventions, and by other agreements, that we will not practice cruel and inhumane treatment on people who are in our custody."

McCain said the example America sets for the world - including our treatment of prisoners - is important.

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"We didn't do it to the Japanese war criminals," he said. "We didn't do it to the Nazi war criminals. And think of what would happen if in another conflict an enemy, not a terrorist organization, takes Americans prisoner, then obviously they will feel that they could do the same thing that we have practiced."

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"And to somehow think we can now withdraw from Afghanistan and not have to worry any more - we're finding out as recently as yesterday that we are having problems with home-grown terrorists. So the struggle is going to go on for the rest of the 21st century.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 112th; afghanistan; afpak; bho44; endlesswars; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcinsane; mclame; rino; torture; traitormccain; vichy; vichyrino; war4ever; warmonger

1 posted on 05/13/2011 6:01:57 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

The real problem here is the DEFINITION of torture.


2 posted on 05/13/2011 6:03:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: rabscuttle385

Waterboard McCain. I’m pretty sure he hides high treason.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 6:05:37 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ugh. Juan McCain is living proof that torture works.


4 posted on 05/13/2011 6:07:56 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rabscuttle385
"We didn't do it to the Japanese war criminals," he said. "We didn't do it to the Nazi war criminals."

Stupid thing for him to say. By the time we had Japanese and Nazi war criminals in hand, the war was over. They were subjected to trials, then jailed or executed.

5 posted on 05/13/2011 6:08:41 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Per SOP, Juan McLame shows us once again, exactly why he was such a lousy candidate for POTUS.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 6:08:41 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Liz; AuntB; calcowgirl; Bokababe; Arthur Wildfire! March; stockpirate; indylindy; ...
"And to somehow think we can now withdraw from Afghanistan and not have to worry any more - we're finding out as recently as yesterday that we are having problems with home-grown terrorists. So the struggle is going to go on for the rest of the 21st century."

Stay in Afghanistan "for the rest of the 21st century"?!!

Hell no!

7 posted on 05/13/2011 6:08:56 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: SumProVita

No, the real problem here is that McCain is in denial and never admit that torture, specifically water boarding, did in fact provide information that when put together with all the other pieces of the puzzle, allowed for the location and subsequent killing of UBL.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 6:09:08 AM PDT by cranked
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To: rabscuttle385

It is way past time for McCain to go.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 6:10:13 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: cranked

I maintain that the problem IS connected to the definition of torture. My husband was waterbaorded as part of his Navy survival training and does not consider it torture. Also, look at the traditional definition of torture.


10 posted on 05/13/2011 6:15:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: rabscuttle385

MeInsane is now calling Rep. Peter King a liar? Niiiice.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 6:22:06 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Beware the ENEMEDIA ... Never Again! Support our Troops!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Oh, how I would LOVE to waterboard McCain.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 6:22:44 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: SumProVita

Does loser RINO mclame have metal plates in his head that constantly draw him in front of magnetic cameras to babble about this or that???? Just why can’t he resign and retire?


13 posted on 05/13/2011 6:22:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: rabscuttle385
"We didn't do it to the Japanese war criminals," he said. "We didn't do it to the Nazi war criminals."

Is he really so naive as to think prisoners captured in the field weren't often tortured to obtain intelligence during WWII? (Or any other war in the history of mankind for that matter?)

14 posted on 05/13/2011 6:25:58 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rabscuttle385

If he truly believed that he would muzzle his wife and daughter.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 6:30:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: pnh102

Having to hear or see McCain is enough torture for me.


16 posted on 05/13/2011 6:31:06 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The day John McCain passes on, I will celebrate with the same enthusiasm reserved for the passing of Ted Kennedy.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 6:32:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: edpc
Interesting ~ had to check the article to see if McCain really said that.

It's like the argument that the atom bomb was racist because we only used it on the Japanese.

That neatly glosses over the fact that Germany was already beaten down and was being carved up by the victorious allies. If we'd dropped atom bombs on Germany we'd, of course, killed our own troops. Japan was still in the war.

I can't imagine why we would torture the Nazi and Japanese War Criminals ~ they were all prisoners and the war was over.

Maybe John ought to check in with his doctor to see why he is having these unusual thoughts about torturing prisoners ~ after the war is over. Could it be a FLASH BACK to the Nam?

18 posted on 05/13/2011 6:35:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: circlecity

Check my #18


19 posted on 05/13/2011 6:36:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rabscuttle385

Wish McCain would go away and stop torturing us.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 6:39:20 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm thinking, “this is the guy who was the Republican nominee in 2008?”.

Now election season 2012 is upon us, and the same John McCain “types” are starting to announce their intentions to run. We'll see where this leads, but with a high probability the Republican Establishment is going to force feed us another “Establishment Conservative”, I refuse to play along again. If they do that, and I will bolt.

I hope this time we Conservatives truly stick together. If we belong to a Party which refuses to represent us, then it's time to look for representation elsewhere. I will not vote for Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, or Daniels. If one of these “Establishment Conservatives” becomes the nominee and I contemplate submitting to the mantra, “anyone but Obama”, for strength, all I have to do is to think of statements like McCain's’ in this interview posted today.

21 posted on 05/13/2011 6:40:57 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: rabscuttle385

We’ve already sacrificed 50,000,000 umborn children to “Choice.” Whats the big deal about torturing a few terrorists?


22 posted on 05/13/2011 6:44:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Rational Thought

The problem with McLame is that he wasn’t even an estalishment conservative. He was a maverick idiot who strayed from the establishment conservative line more often than not.


23 posted on 05/13/2011 6:45:56 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: rabscuttle385
US:
If Mclaim is ever taken seriously we IZ in Major Trouble.
24 posted on 05/13/2011 6:49:38 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I love me some J'etas Au Bal- Google it if you don't know what it is. . . . .)
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To: Voter#537

Added the i in J’etais


25 posted on 05/13/2011 6:50:53 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I love me some J'etais Au Bal- Google it if you don't know what it is. . . . .)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey, McCain, American every prisoner of war we had in Iraq was killed, you numbskull.

Don’t talk to me about “setting an example” for the world.

The example that needed to be set on 9/12/01 was nuking Mecca and Medina and taking over the oil fields.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 6:52:02 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Again, we see clearly that Communist indoctrination and Manchurian Candidate techniques are quite effective 45 years into the future.

Between this and his lawless statements about the War Powers Act the other day, he needs to resign.


27 posted on 05/13/2011 6:54:13 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I can’t believe that the Republicans gave us this wimpy jacka$$ and claimed he was qualified to be president.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 6:55:41 AM PDT by anoldafvet (20 months until we're rid of "The Boy Blunder".)
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To: Voter#537

Yup ... Juam was more than willing to allow a very ineligible democrap candidate running in the election so that Juan’s questionable eligibility would not be addressed on legal terms. THAT is the epitome of a self-serving oath breaker sitting atop a senate seat he should have been voted off of three cyclkes back! Old fart would sell the Constitution out for his own interests and lust for power.


29 posted on 05/13/2011 6:56:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Torture ?? Hell McCain was tortured into a commie then sent back,it does work well!


30 posted on 05/13/2011 6:58:30 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: rabscuttle385
"Through normal, conventional interrogation techniques - and by the way I've seen it in Bagram - and with without these enhanced interrogation techniques, we can get more accurate, more valuable information," McCain continued.

Hey McCain......not everyone just breaks and talks.

Sometimes you have to beat the hell out of them, before they crack like the nut you are.

So we can save those we love.

31 posted on 05/13/2011 6:59:31 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ahhhh Johnny boy. As you know the NVA tortured and what happened.... We surrendered to them.

Confusing what we did with what they did is to blur moral distinctions in a very big way. Go Away McLame


32 posted on 05/13/2011 7:05:30 AM PDT by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: nwrep
I don't know. I felt all along that the Establishment was very supportive of McCain. As far as straying from the Establishment Conservative line, I didn't really see that. He was and is the very definition of an Establishment Conservative, that being a “Moderate” who is actually a Faux Conservative. Amnesty is just one of many examples.
33 posted on 05/13/2011 7:06:41 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: rabscuttle385

Will he never just shut the hell up and GO AWAY! Hey John...you lost, you’re a loser and always will be. Nobody cares what you think. Please retire to obscurity or just switch to the Democrat party and get it over with!


34 posted on 05/13/2011 7:24:40 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: anoldafvet
I can’t believe that the Republicans gave us this wimpy jacka$$ and claimed he was qualified to be president.

Ain't that the truth. Wonder who they'll trot out for 2012? Mitt? Huck? Newt? The list of losers goes on and on. If it's not Palin/Bachmann then Barry gets four more.
35 posted on 05/13/2011 7:31:29 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain has fallen and he can’t get up. He’s a libtard.

While I support our efforts in Afghanistan, it’s patently absurd to state we should stay there another 88.7 years.

I don’t want us there 5.7 more years, much less 88.7.


36 posted on 05/13/2011 8:34:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: rabscuttle385
I'd like to water board you mccain... make you tell the truth of how you sold out America to a kenyan in 2007.

LLS

37 posted on 05/13/2011 8:43:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: rabscuttle385

If waterboarding is torture, then I suppose any other kind of rough treatment could be considered torture: sleep deprivation, rough questioning, food deprivation. I would bet if you asked someone would they rather be waterboarded or have their fingernails pulled out one by one, they’d say waterboarded. Or waterboarded or beaten severely, they’d most likely say waterboarded. In short, if a person can call waterboarding torture, then anything beyond tough questioning can be called torture. I doubt that is the case.


38 posted on 05/13/2011 8:48:30 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: rabscuttle385
"We didn't do it to the Japanese war criminals," he said. "We didn't do it to the Nazi war criminals. And think of what would happen if in another conflict an enemy, not a terrorist organization, takes Americans prisoner, then obviously they will feel that they could do the same thing that we have practiced."

I understand the moral arguments against enhanced interrogations / torture. What I don't understand is the 'practical argument', as shown above.

I don't understand it because it's stupid. Meta-stupid. It transcends normal types of stupid, into it's own dimension of higher boneheadedness.

The Imperial Japanese and the Nazis, as well as the Arabs, Vietnamese, Chinese, North Koreans and pretty much everyone we've ever fought, torture the crap out of their opponents. Military opponents. Political opponents. Whoever. And not in ways that don't leave marks. To DEATH.

The idea that they 'learned torture from us' or are somehow spurred to savage acts of reprisal because we're locking up detainees in a tropical beach resort, is so stupid as to make me want to check the speaker for lobotomy scars.

39 posted on 05/13/2011 8:58:45 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: SumProVita

If McCain couldn’t be a traitor, he wouldn’t be McCain.


40 posted on 05/13/2011 9:11:51 AM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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41 posted on 05/13/2011 9:32:59 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain is absolutely right on this one. This is a national morality issue and no information obtained this way, whether you regard it as torture or “enhanced interrogation techniques”, is worth the cost to the soul of our great nation, the risk to our men and women in uniform, or our ability to face ourselves in the mirror.


42 posted on 05/13/2011 10:07:34 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: SumProVita

Palin for prez.


44 posted on 05/13/2011 11:08:13 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012, you lost)
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