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John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bin Laden and torture.
Washington Post ^ | 05/13/2011 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 05/13/2011 6:59:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is getting really good. As noted below, John McCain in an Op ed this morning skewered the claim that the killing of Bin Laden vindicates torture. But just now, on the Senate floor, he uncorked a new broadside that is quite remarkable, taking direct aim at Bush apologists who are reviving this debate in order to claim Bin Laden’s death as part of the Bush legacy.

McCain amplified his case, and called on former Bush attorney general Michael Mukasey — whose recent op ed claiming torture led to Bin Laden has been widely cited by the right — to retract his claims. McCain’s speech is worth quoting at length:

“With so much misinformation being fed into such an essential public debate as this one, I asked the Director of Central Intelligence, Leon Panetta, for the facts. And I received the following information:

“The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. We did not first learn from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the real name of bin Laden’s courier, or his alias, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the man who ultimately enabled us to find bin Laden. The first mention of the name Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, as well as a description of him as an important member of Al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country. The United States did not conduct this detainee’s interrogation, nor did we render him to that country for the purpose of interrogation. We did not learn Abu Ahmed’s real name or alias as a result of waterboarding or any ‘enhanced interrogation technique’ used on a detainee in U.S. custody. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts, or an accurate description of his role in Al-Qaeda."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: johnmccain; mccain; obl; osamabinladen; torture; waterboarding
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1 posted on 05/13/2011 7:00:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For Obama, McCain is the gift that just keeps giving.


2 posted on 05/13/2011 7:01:13 AM PDT by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

Juan will probably be on at least half the Sunday morning shows this weekend. They just love it when he stabs his own party in the back.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 7:10:24 AM PDT by Will88
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To: SeekAndFind

We never tortured anyone.


4 posted on 05/13/2011 7:11:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I despise McCain. He’s always been pathologically jealous of Bush. I don’t know if it started when Bush beat him for the nomination in 2000 or before.

And he’s an inconsistent nutcase.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 7:15:53 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too late McCain/MSM. The Obama administration already admitted that enhanced interrogation led to Bin Laden. The MSM couldn’t find a conservative to spout their revisionist history, so they use McCain instead.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 7:17:26 AM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: SeekAndFind
We do not torture. Torture is for inflicting pain only. Interrogation is for extracting information only. J McCain is insane.
7 posted on 05/13/2011 7:18:58 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: SeekAndFind
 
 

8 posted on 05/13/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: altura

Imagine, this moron could be President. What the hell was the Republican Party thinking of? No wonder the Tea Party emerged.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 7:19:23 AM PDT by kempster
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To: kempster

Why, oh why,

did Arizonans send this man back to the Senate?


10 posted on 05/13/2011 7:20:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Will88

The word RINO is very over used and abused on this forum and others, but THIS is what a true RINO is. A true RINO is one who throws the party and the cause and the philosophy under the bus as a way to promote himself.

That’s exactly what McCain is doing here. He is being the quintessential RINO because he knows his mainstream media buddies will eat it up and it will diminish credit to Bush, Cheney and Rummy - three folks he is jealous of and despises.

I’m sorry. I don’t buy McCain as a hero. I just don’t see any evidence today that heroism was ever in this man. Maybe it was, but if it was, it has all leached out .


11 posted on 05/13/2011 7:21:39 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: SeekAndFind

The day John McCain passes on, I will celebrate with the same enthusiasm reserved for the passing of Ted Kennedy.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: MrB

Proof that retired people will send anyone back to office as long as they are promised SS and Medicare forever, no matter who takes it up the -— for the cost.


13 posted on 05/13/2011 7:24:35 AM PDT by crz
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To: SeekAndFind

Panetta’s story, this version, is stating that the information did not come from a source in US custody.

Panettas is careful not to say that the source held in another country on the US’s behalf was tortured for the information.


14 posted on 05/13/2011 7:32:41 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Get the BO out of the Executive Mansion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Panetta’s story, this version, is stating that the information did not come from a source in US custody.

Panettas is careful not to say that the source held in another country on the US’s behalf was tortured for the information.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 7:32:53 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Get the BO out of the Executive Mansion.)
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To: crz

Man-churian candy-date


16 posted on 05/13/2011 7:40:20 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed”

Does not refute anything. Ok, it didn’t ‘begin’ with Khalid...but could they have found Bin Laden without Khalid?

And the other part is rich - we didn’t torture the guy, we just sent him to a foreign prison...and he decided to talk. I have a sneaky suspicion that many people in these foreign prisons long for the easy-going days of Gitmo, and would gladly do a few waterboarding sessions, over the treatment they are getting.

And this is where McCain’s logic is flawed. I know he was beat and pain was inflicted on him in prison...waterboarding is not the same. There has to be a bright line between what is a useful technique and what is torture...somewhere as you progress from yelling, dark rooms, slapping, punching, water-boarding, and pulling out finger nails. McCain draws the line at waterboarding. I draw it at pulling finger nails (maybe).


17 posted on 05/13/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SeekAndFind
John McCain is now what would be considered "Damaged Goods"


18 posted on 05/13/2011 7:46:02 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to honor McCain’s sacrifice in the torture prisons of N. Vietnam but the fact is he cannot be trusted to be objective about the subject because of it.


19 posted on 05/13/2011 7:50:27 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t this old fool retire already.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 7:53:44 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: lacrew
I agree. Penetta is parsing words. Previous press accounts that quote govt officials that say otherwise.

Speaking of torture, if you haven't seen the movie "Unthinkable" with Samuel L. Jackson (probably his best performance since Snakes on a plane Pulp Fiction), check it out.

21 posted on 05/13/2011 7:55:16 AM PDT by lwd
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To: SeekAndFind

McCain is in the running to be Obama’s veep.


22 posted on 05/13/2011 8:08:36 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

There has always been something psychological going on with McCain. In his acceptance speech he said that, before his POW experience, he used to do things just to draw attention to himself (I’ve linked that before). And he implied that he put those bad habits behind.

He didn’t. I agree he is jealous, or covetous of Bush and others. That’s part of what causes him to backstab, and he also still does things to draw attention to himself. He (and his lovely daughter) well understand that the way to stay in front of the TV cameras is to criticize and undercut Republicans and especially conservatives.


23 posted on 05/13/2011 8:12:51 AM PDT by Will88
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I know what we’ve got here.

John McCain has Legacy Envy.


24 posted on 05/13/2011 8:13:09 AM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: MrB
Why, oh why, did Arizonans send this man back to the Senate?

Because Maricopa County is full of old senile retirees....that's why!

25 posted on 05/13/2011 8:19:45 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: Lazamataz
John McNasty is a repulsive, despicable, pathetic little worm of a man.

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26 posted on 05/13/2011 8:22:36 AM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: SeekAndFind

McCain is in the same worthless politician as ron paul.

The only fools who think he is relavent are useful idiots and the MSM.


27 posted on 05/13/2011 8:44:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: lwd

Panetta is pulling a Clinton = “It depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is.”

No one is saying enhanced interrogation got the “name” of the couriers. What they got was the fact that OBL used couriers. It was reported that Kalid Sheik Muhammed only gave up that OSL used couriers. He didn’t know their names. Later the CIA found out the nickname of the courier. Then later still they found out the full name, and that led to the safe house.

So Panetta is parsing words so the libs don’t have to admit that waterboarding led to the couriers.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 9:07:01 AM PDT by SDShack (0zer0care = "The Final Solution" - Socialized Soylent Green Healthcare)
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To: Will88

McCain has been insane for a long time. Go back to before his nomination in ‘08. There’s a lot of credible history of McCain as not bright, egomaniac, immature and unreliable. Breaking McCain by the Viet Commies would have been complete and he may very well be a real manchurian candidate. McCain would have been a hero if he had not returned from SE Asia but no one should trust McCain, he is an enemy for all of us!


29 posted on 05/13/2011 9:37:13 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: SeekAndFind
Juan McPain sez:



"Enhanced interrogations? We don't need no steenking enhanced interrogations!"
30 posted on 05/13/2011 10:00:04 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...came from a detainee held in another country. The United States did not conduct this detainee’s interrogation, nor did we render him to that country for the purpose of interrogation.”

Oh BS!! You didnt intend for him to be tortured, but they certainly could have. What a bunch of weasel words (no offense to actual weasels)!


31 posted on 05/13/2011 10:00:15 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
We never tortured anyone.

Sure we did. McCain vs Obama? That was torture.

32 posted on 05/13/2011 10:20:59 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Greg Sargent, writing in the Washington Post, uses an anti-Republican op-ed to make anti-Republican remarks, under an anti-Republican title. What were the odds? Thanks SeekAndFind.


33 posted on 05/15/2011 7:33:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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