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13 May 2011 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 05/13/2011 8:23:25 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Can the US Congress "arrest" and "detain" members of the other 3 branches of US Government? Also Is there a detainment facility w/in the US Capitol Bldg Complex for this?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: District of Columbia
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Just wondering.
1 posted on 05/13/2011 8:23:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Who do you have in mind...? :)


2 posted on 05/13/2011 8:24:36 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: US Navy Vet

Where is this coming from? And you’ll have to provide a lot more information before you can even think of getting an answer?


3 posted on 05/13/2011 8:24:59 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: US Navy Vet

No. At that, I’m not even sure their subpoena powers are legal.


4 posted on 05/13/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t know, but I’m interested to see where you’re going with this.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 8:25:19 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: freedumb2003

Just wondering(Holder).


6 posted on 05/13/2011 8:25:53 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers!)
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To: US Navy Vet

yes to both Qs


7 posted on 05/13/2011 8:26:51 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: US Navy Vet
Shouldn't this be in Breaking News?
8 posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:14 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: US Navy Vet

Any US Congressional and US Capitol Legal Eagles out there answer this?


9 posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:15 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Can the US Congress "arrest" and "detain" members of the other 3 branches of US Government? Also Is there a detainment facility w/in the US Capitol Bldg Complex for this?

What other *three* branches? Are you talking about the 'jon stewart' media as a 'branch'?

10 posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:37 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: shalom aleichem

Proof please.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 8:28:00 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers!)
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To: freedumb2003

Congressman Clement L. Vallandingham of Ohio was arrested by 67 Federal agents at his Dayton home in the middle of the night. He was tried by a military tribunal and deported on the orders of Abraham Lincoln.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 8:28:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: US Navy Vet

Since when have we had four branches of government?


13 posted on 05/13/2011 8:28:48 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: US Navy Vet

I meant 2 branches(getting old I guess).


14 posted on 05/13/2011 8:28:52 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Being “co equal” I don’t see how.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 8:29:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: US Navy Vet

It’s called “impeachment”: there are Constitutional processes for what amounts to “grand jury”, “jury trial”, and then actual criminal prosecution. (To oversimplify.)

What do you have in mind?


16 posted on 05/13/2011 8:29:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: massgopguy

He was arrested under Lincoln’s orders not US Congress’s.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 8:30:02 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers!)
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To: US Navy Vet

No, Congress cannot. It does no have the authority. All it an do is subpoena. And no, there is no detainment facility within the Capitol complex, unless you’re talking about the press galleries. When people are arrested in the Capitol complex, they have to be taken to the DC jail.


18 posted on 05/13/2011 8:31:15 AM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t know the answer to your specific question, or part of it. There are three branches of government, Legislative, Judicial and the Executive. Congress is but one of the three branches. The way you phrased your question suggests there are four branches with Congress being one of them. Who are the other three you are thinking of?

Congress, in session, can subpoena persons to testify. A person can be found in contempt of Congress but I don’t know if they can order an arrest (I presume they can) but who actually makes the “arrest”, I don’t know.

Interesting question.

I find many people hold Congress in contempt. Who can/will arrest them for us?


19 posted on 05/13/2011 8:32:28 AM PDT by miele man
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To: massgopguy

Poor example, IMHO. Lincoln had no regard for the Constitution in general and the Bill of Rights in particular.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 8:32:34 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: US Navy Vet

Congress can arrest it’s own members to force them in to session if need be. I think. But no there are no poswers of the congress to arrest members in the other two branches that I am aware of.


21 posted on 05/13/2011 8:33:09 AM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Is there a detainment facility w/in the US Capitol Bldg Complex for this?

There's a trap door under Henry Waxman's desk...


22 posted on 05/13/2011 8:35:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: miele man
Congress, in session, can subpoena persons to testify. A person can be found in contempt of Congress but I don’t know if they can order an arrest (I presume they can) but who actually makes the “arrest”, I don’t know.

The Congress can issue a warrant but it would need to be enforced by the Executive Branch. The Supreme Court can strike down laws and order the Executive to do something or to not do something but it must rely on the willingness of the other two Branches to exist under and honor the rule of law to enforce their decisions.

Simply put all three branches are co-equal and none has superior authority over another. If Congress issued an arrest warrant for Holder, who would enforce it? What if obama and holder simply refused to obey? We would have a genuine Constitutional Crisis and who knows where it would lead.

23 posted on 05/13/2011 8:37:39 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: US Navy Vet
I wish Congressman Billybob was still with us. He'd have your answer.

RIP CBB...

24 posted on 05/13/2011 8:41:01 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: US Navy Vet
In 1861, Lincoln sent the Union army to Baltimore. Mayor Brown, the city council, and the police commissioner were arrested and imprisoned at Fort McHenry for the remainder of the war.

I don't think Fort McHenry is anything more than a tourist attraction anymore, so that's a historically accurate and legally vetted option for you. ;-)

25 posted on 05/13/2011 8:43:14 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: La Lydia

When people are arrested in the Capitol complex, they have to be taken to the DC jail.
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Probably where they are supposed to be taken.
I would imagine 95% of a ‘planned’ protest would be detained and charged and ‘ordered’ to appear before a DC Court, with very little or no interaction with the fine residents of DC Jail.
The DC mayor and Council have been having a ‘good time’ and getting a lot of press by being ‘arrested’.
Yes, they are hauled off in plastic restraints and processed in a field office (or bus). They then have the nerve to liken themselves to the “Freedom Riders” and others that had to put up with Bull Connor and his fire hoses, and other assorted ‘good old boys’ in the deep south.
The way to get the Mayor and Council to “STOP” this foolishness is to take them out in regulation cuffs, and put them with their ‘guarded constituents’.
This ‘crap’ would end forthwith.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 8:43:42 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) The more people I run into, the better I like my cat.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Is that a view looking down from the trap door, or up from the trap door.

Pretty “Big” from either direction.


27 posted on 05/13/2011 8:46:55 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: US Navy Vet

How many branches of government do we have?


28 posted on 05/13/2011 8:47:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: US Navy Vet

i believe congress can bring charges against but not necessarily arrest and detain...

teeman


29 posted on 05/13/2011 8:48:20 AM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: La Lydia

Yes it can subpoena but it does not have to go through the US attorney General to enforce the subpoena. Congress can retain its own counsel to bring actions in the courts to enforce its subpoena and isn’t required to rely on the US Attorney to file suit.


30 posted on 05/13/2011 8:51:25 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Vermont Lt

It’s after you’ve descended the steps. That’s where Henry commands his Orc army.


31 posted on 05/13/2011 8:56:52 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

COBOL...I havent thought of COBOL since 1980. And no, I am not speaking of the imaginary home planet of the 12 tribes in BSG. But the fact that I know the 2 meanings of the work makes me a double dork.

I often wonder how I found a woman.


32 posted on 05/13/2011 8:58:39 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: xrmusn

The hundreds, probably thousands of demonstrators who have been arrested and put in the DC jail, over the past 20 years or so, have been very unhappy about it and have complained about the accommodations and the company they were keeping. I don’t know what happened with Vincent Gray, but the DC administrative building is right down the street from the Capitol.


33 posted on 05/13/2011 8:59:40 AM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: US Navy Vet

In 1832, Sam Houston (that Sam Houston), then a private citizen, assaulted Ohio Rep. William Stanbery as Stanbery was walking home in Washington, D.C. According to Stanbery, Houston was indignant over something that Stanbery had said in a floor debate. Stanbery reported the assault to the House, which ordered its sergeant-at-arms to “take in custody, wherever to be found, the body of Samuel Houston; and the same in his custody to keep, subject to the further order and direction of this House.” Houston was arrested and brought before the House, where he was represented by Francis Scott Key (that Francis Scott Key). After a monthlong trial, he was reprimanded and sent on his way.


34 posted on 05/13/2011 9:01:00 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Steel Wolf
In 1861, Lincoln sent the Union army to Baltimore. Mayor Brown, the city council, and the police commissioner were arrested and imprisoned at Fort McHenry for the remainder of the war.

Actually Brown and the others were all released by November, 1862. And most of them weren't held in Ft. McHenry. They were held in Ft. Warren in Boston.

35 posted on 05/13/2011 9:04:38 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: La Lydia

I don’t know what happened with Vincent Gray,
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The way they were ‘posing for the cameras’, laughing it up etc I seriously doubt ANYONE got much further than Indiana Ave- Upstairs....

Now if they were to spend the night up by the Stadium/Armory they may think twice about ‘reliving’ the experience.
Although I think more than a ‘couple’ of them may ‘enjoy’ the experience.


36 posted on 05/13/2011 9:10:08 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) The more people I run into, the better I like my cat.)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Article I, Section 8 general welfare clause permits Congress to tax and spend in a manner that deprives fundamental rights, which by logical extension includes forcible imprisonment of enemies of Congress.


37 posted on 05/13/2011 9:10:11 AM PDT by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: COBOL2Java
That’s where Henry commands his Orc army


38 posted on 05/13/2011 9:15:32 AM PDT by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: US Navy Vet

First of all, there are only two other branches of USG. Secondly, they have no powers of arrest. There are areas in Capitol where arrestees can be held on a very temporary basis. This for someone caught in a criminal act on Capitol grounds.


39 posted on 05/13/2011 9:17:34 AM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Hey, you haven't lived until you've debugged a 10,000 line COBOL program! With a slide rule!


40 posted on 05/13/2011 9:17:55 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Actually Brown and the others were all released by November, 1862. And most of them weren't held in Ft. McHenry. They were held in Ft. Warren in Boston.

Ah, well, see? Options abound!

41 posted on 05/13/2011 9:18:51 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: MindBender26

congress does have a sergeant-at-arms position and this position does include powers of arrest. I believe the founders intended the sergeant-at-arms to go after people who are ordered to appear before congress that do not show up. It is a federal crime to fail to appear before congress for a congressional hearing/trial. I do not know if the sergeant-at-arms position is currently filled.


42 posted on 05/13/2011 9:22:34 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

it wasn’t long after that he went to Texas..

and the rest is...


43 posted on 05/13/2011 9:23:51 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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DONATE



44 posted on 05/13/2011 9:27:56 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: US Navy Vet

The other 3?


45 posted on 05/13/2011 9:30:45 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: frithguild

Separated at birth! HAHAHA!


46 posted on 05/13/2011 9:50:32 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: COBOL2Java

ROFL!


47 posted on 05/13/2011 9:56:37 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: massgopguy

But that was the Executive branch arresting a congressman. I guess our poster wants to know if that shoe will fit on another foot.

BTW, where did they deport the guy to, wasn’t he a US Citizen? Since it’s Lincoln I assume this is Civil War related, but maybe that’s not right?


48 posted on 05/13/2011 10:53:11 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: US Navy Vet

I would think that if a congressman is brought before congress and is convicted of something serious, he’d be stripped of his seat and thrown into jail as a citizen.


49 posted on 05/13/2011 10:55:45 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Bushbacker1

Miss him. Always had great “my 2 cents”


50 posted on 05/13/2011 1:02:41 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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