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San Diego Mother Sues Chuck E. Cheese, Equating Kids' Games With Gambling Machines
.foxnews.com ^ | 05/13/2011 | n/a

Posted on 05/13/2011 12:27:10 PM PDT by massmike

A San Diego mother is suing Chuck E. Cheese, the favorite pizza chain of kids across the nation, accusing the restaurant of illegal gambling. Denise Keller, mother of two daughters, says Chuck E. Cheese has replaced its traditional games of skee-ball and whack-a-mole with machines that resemble slot machines, Capitol Weekly reported. The lawsuit says that “many games found at Chuck E. Cheese’s restaurants are illegal gambling devices that require little or no skill and are predominantly games of chance, much like a roulette wheel,” according to the paper. Keller’s attorney, Eric Benink, said the games have flashing lights and bright colors just like slot machines. "There was no fun involved in the game other than an opportunity to win a prize," he told Capitol Weekly. “It’s just pure random luck in terms of spinning out a result. That, we believe, is a slot machine, as California penal code spells out.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: chuckecheese; denisekeller; ericbenink; gambling; kids; slotmachines

1 posted on 05/13/2011 12:27:38 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

I agree with her... but it’s stupid to sue. Just don’t go. We don’t.


2 posted on 05/13/2011 12:29:50 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: massmike

If it puts CEC out of business, that would be a good thing. Places are nothing but germ factories.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 12:30:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: massmike

Keller’s attorney, Eric Benink, should be shot, or at least disbarred and forced to work at Chuck E. Cheese for minimum wage.


4 posted on 05/13/2011 12:31:29 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: massmike

The machines do not spit out money when the kids win. They spit out Chuck E. Cheese tokens that can only be used in their stores.

There’s no reason to say this is gambling.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 12:32:02 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The more the plans fail the more the planners plan - Ronald Reagan)
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To: massmike

Then don’t take them there. There are plenty of real pizza places out there to take them to.

Chuckies has terrible pizza and always has. A founder of a video game company back in the 80s was forthright about it. They started Chuck E Cheese as a way to draw kids into playing their video games; the pizza was crap but that was not the point of the place.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 12:33:38 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: dfwgator
If it puts CEC out of business, that would be a good thing. Places are nothing but germ factories.


7 posted on 05/13/2011 12:33:56 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: massmike

Most states have specific exemptions from gambling statutes for the type of ticket/prise operation Chuck-e’s runs.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 12:40:21 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: massmike
Well this is something I know well. I work as the Technical Manager at a Chuck E. Cheese store. This means I'm responsible for the entire game, rides and show section of the restaurant. Games. Rides. Show. That's the 3 things.

The rides are usually kiddie type rides. The show is the animatronic video presentation.

The "games" will vary from store to store. Games that give out tickets are called redemption games. There are games that don't give out tickets...these of course are non-redemption games.

Each store has a mix of redemption and non-redemption games. The redemption games vary widely. Some give a fixed number of tickets and do have a high element of skill. Some give a variable number of tickets and have a high element of skill. Some give a fixed or variable number of tickets and don't require much skill. On some games the payouts are programmable. On others they're not.

The "payout" is paper tickets that can be redeemed for prizes. Or you can purchase prizes straight up...or a combo.

I would say that the person suing is looking to make a buck off Chuck....

9 posted on 05/13/2011 12:46:00 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: dfwgator
If it puts CEC out of business, that would be a good thing. Places are nothing but germ factories.

I take exception to that. Anyplace that kids congregate is going to be a "germ factory". I would bet that the cleanliness of a typical Chuck E. Cheese store is thousands, if not millions, of times higher than the cleanliness of a typical classroom or lunchroom at a school.

So let's shut down schools, pre-schools and church nursery too because they're all "germ factories".

10 posted on 05/13/2011 12:48:56 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I would say that the person suing is looking to make a buck off Chuck

I'd say that's a safe "bet"!

11 posted on 05/13/2011 12:49:11 PM PDT by massmike (DADT repeal: the Boy Scouts now have tougher membership requirements than the Army!)
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To: massmike

Under what theory of law does this woman have an actionable complaint here?

Is this going to be dismissed in a summary judgement for the defendant?


12 posted on 05/13/2011 12:51:59 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: RJS1950
Chuckies has terrible pizza and always has.

It's not that bad. Dough is made daily. Ingredients are fresh. We get our produce from a farm that delivers weekly. It's more of a perception issue. Nonetheless Chuck E. Cheese has started a new pizza recipe/baking process that is being rolled out to stores in order to combat the perception.

13 posted on 05/13/2011 12:52:13 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: massmike

Ms. Keller should sue the state of California for allowing her daughters (3 and 5 yrs) to 1) have jobs to earn money to spend at CEC and 2) to have a license to drive to CEC. Oh wait...


14 posted on 05/13/2011 12:52:58 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: massmike

I have often made the gambling comparison....half jokingly. Some of the games of chance are ‘progressive’, which means the payout gets larger each time a player loses.

This is exactly the same concept used in many casino games of chance.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 12:57:46 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: DouglasKC

No it’s that bad. The dough is gummie, the cheese is in name alone, fresh bad ingredients don’t make good pizza.


16 posted on 05/13/2011 1:00:38 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: DouglasKC

Well, as far as cleanliness, I know from experience that the plastic balls the kids play in always smells like urine. I’m sure they try to clean up and keep it that way, but dealing with so many kids in and out all day, I’m sure it’s a losing battle.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 1:03:30 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: discostu
No it’s that bad. The dough is gummie, the cheese is in name alone, fresh bad ingredients don’t make good pizza.

To each their own. The new pizza is 100% real mozzarella. The new crust has been reformulated and will be cooked on screens instead of pans so the "gummy", if that's your perception, is gone. The dough is mixed and rolled out daily and I have the machines to prove it!

Chuck E. Cheese isn't gourmet pizza by any means but it's also not the main draw of a typical Chuck E. Cheese store either.

18 posted on 05/13/2011 1:07:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Well, as far as cleanliness, I know from experience that the plastic balls the kids play in always smells like urine. I’m sure they try to clean up and keep it that way, but dealing with so many kids in and out all day, I’m sure it’s a losing battle.

When was the last time you were in a store? I don't think there are any of those plastic ball things at any Chuck E. Cheese store and haven't been for at least maybe 5 to 10 years though I'm not sure of the exact time frame.

19 posted on 05/13/2011 1:10:56 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Notice the first two improvements you mention go straight at the problems I mentioned, and those criticisms weren’t just my perception, they were pretty well known as the CEC problem. Making the gummy crust a real crust and replacing that horrid fake cheese with 100% real mozzarella. It’s good that they’re catching up with the improved American pallet, now if only Peter Piper and Little Caesars (the mass market pizzas that kept CEC from being the worst) would do the same.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 1:11:45 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: discostu

Why wouldn’t CEC just outsource the pizza making to Dominoes or another pizza maker?


21 posted on 05/13/2011 1:13:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Why wouldn’t CEC just outsource the pizza making to Dominoes or another pizza maker?

Short answer? I'm guessing it's because making and selling pizza is much more profitable than outsourcing it. Plus if it were outsourced it wouldn't be as fresh.

And about perceptions: Have you seen the new Dominoes commercials? I'm not sure how much their pizza has really changed but the focus of the commercials are to change perceptions.

22 posted on 05/13/2011 1:17:25 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: dfwgator

Don’t want to be reliant on somebody else. Look at the mess that’s happened with some of the cable/ dish company vs network disputes lately. If you think it’s annoying for a cable company to lose ABC think of how much worse it would be for an ostensibly pizza place to lose their pizzas. What surprises me is that so many of them are dry, if you’re going to expect adults to hang out in a room full of overstimulated kids you need to give them beer. Frankly the first round should be complimentary.


23 posted on 05/13/2011 1:18:23 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: DouglasKC

Dominoes pizza changed a lot. It was most noticeable for me in their mushrooms, old Dominoes had arguably the worst mushrooms ever put on a pizza by anybody, now they’re actually good. Dominoes pizza as a whole went from basically acceptable to actually good. Still not great, but you know longer feel sullied.


24 posted on 05/13/2011 1:21:50 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: RJS1950

You go to a kids place and expect gourmet pizza? When you can hardly get the kids to sit down long enough to eat in the first place?


25 posted on 05/13/2011 1:44:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DouglasKC

Back in the days when my younguns went to Chuck E. Cheese I explained to them Chuck E. Cheese math. I calculated the actual cost to win a prize and compared it an estimated street value for the prize. I got a 10/1 ratio.

The pizza also tasted like cardboard.

The kids did have fun at the place, and I do have fond memories of taking them to it. I guess someday I will be taking my grandkids as well.

Chuck E. Cheese math is still cheaper than teenage math.

I do hope you improve the pizza when I come back in 10 to 20 years or so.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: RJS1950

*****Chuckies has terrible pizza and always has. ******

Sigh, I miss SHAKEY’S PIZZA!


27 posted on 05/13/2011 1:49:59 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: massmike

No. Sue for the insipid animated Mouse show.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 1:52:06 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Dilbert San Diego

>Well, as far as cleanliness, I know from experience that the plastic balls the kids play in always smells like urine<

No, that would be McDonald’s. My niece almost slid on the slide to a pool of piss, it was friggin disgusting.


29 posted on 05/13/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: DouglasKC

That’s some info, thanks. You sure there are any “comps” from the branch manager if the kids return? (j/k)


30 posted on 05/13/2011 1:55:51 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: discostu

I always thought Pizza Hut was the worst of the major pizza chains. It’s really gross.


31 posted on 05/13/2011 1:56:11 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Ditto that one, mate! Shakey’s, back in the ‘70s, had excellent pizza.


32 posted on 05/13/2011 1:57:02 PM PDT by SAJ (Zerobama -- a phony and a prick, therefore a dildo)
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To: massmike

The bottom line is that CEC should be able to run its business the way it sees fit. I don’t go there for pizza, I go there when I want to give kids a treat (their perception, not mine) AND get them fed.


33 posted on 05/13/2011 1:58:40 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: DouglasKC
Chuckies has terrible pizza and always has.

It's not that bad.

It's not as bad as I thought it would be or heard it was. I figured that being a kids place, the pizza sauce would be ridiculously sweet. It's not bad though, and actually has a slight "tang" to it.

Ridiculously expensive, though. Almost 10 bucks for a small cheese pizza.

34 posted on 05/13/2011 2:01:03 PM PDT by no gnu taxes
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To: Borges

They went downhill when they started messing with the crust. Now that Dominoes has fixed their stuff PH is pretty close to the bottom. Little Caesars actually improves with age, pretty darn good next day which puts them better than PH (which never improves).


35 posted on 05/13/2011 2:01:24 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: massmike

We have a Chuck E. Cheese in our town, and we went ONCE. Migraines while 9 months pregnant suck! LOL We were living in a hotel after moving to town and wanted to celebrate our son’s 5th birthday. The kids loved it...Mom and Dad, not so much.

That being said, there is a place here in town that was opened in the last couple of years by a couple from our parish (their son is a classmate of our oldest daughter). It is a pizza buffet type place w/the games and tickets that are redeemable for prizes. The place is clean, well-run, the food is reasonably priced and pretty tasty, and is set up in a manner that adults can enjoy a pizza out front w/o hearing the screaming kids if they want. They even have live entertainment on certain nights. The place is packed any day of the week I pass by it. It’s one of the most popular places for birthday parties in town.


36 posted on 05/13/2011 2:05:05 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Change everything you are, everything you were, your number has been called.)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma
It is a pizza buffet type place w/the games and tickets that are redeemable for prizes. The place is clean, well-run, the food is reasonably priced and pretty tasty, and is set up in a manner that adults can enjoy a pizza out front w/o hearing the screaming kids if they want.

That's a great business. Chuck E. Cheese's really has no national competition and hardly any local competition. I would open up a similar place in a heartbeat if I had the capital.

37 posted on 05/13/2011 2:09:24 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You know, I never really noticed that about Chuck E. Cheese not having any competition until you mentioned it. I think that is why the pizza place owned by my daughter’s friend’s parents is such a hit. They have (mostly) private party rooms that can be used as general dining if there are no parties booked. They have the big-screen TV for sports. It’s really a win-win for the owners and the community. It would be a great business to own.


38 posted on 05/13/2011 2:13:26 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Change everything you are, everything you were, your number has been called.)
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To: jimmygrace
I don’t go there for pizza, I go there when I want to give kids a treat (their perception, not mine) AND get them fed.

And that's the bottom line...it's a treat for kids. That's what the whole deal is geared to. The target consumers are kids 2 to 8. And kids do have a blast.

39 posted on 05/13/2011 2:15:55 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: massmike

I like Chuck E. Cheese. I like the pizza and the carnival games. I just don’t like some of the other customers, and don’t like it when it’s too crowded. Years ago, CEC was dark inside and the pizza was orange. Then the pizza got better and they put in fun, but unsanitary, ball pits and climbing apparatus. Now all that’s gone and the lighting is better. For me, if the clientele improved, it would be a good thing. But I live in LA and the crass people are ubiquitous. Not CEC’s fault, really. I think CEC generally tries to run a decent family place and there is no other big chain that does quite the same thing. Chuck E. is ok with me.


40 posted on 05/13/2011 2:20:46 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
But I live in LA and the crass people are ubiquitous. Not CEC’s fault, really. I think CEC generally tries to run a decent family place and there is no other big chain that does quite the same thing. Chuck E. is ok with me.

I agree...the quality of the customer is directly dependent on location. People will drive to our store in a smaller town rather then go to stores that are closer to an urban area because of the people issue.

BTW the BEST time to go to a CEC is a weekday morning. Second best time is a Sunday morning. Third best is a weekday afternoon. Fourth best is a weeknight during the school year. EVERYONE goes on Friday and Saturday nights. Everyone goes on spring break too.

41 posted on 05/13/2011 2:32:24 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: pgyanke

I agree, just don’t go there. We have a 5 year old who (up until this year) was not even aware CEC existed. He still hasn’t gone there though!


42 posted on 05/13/2011 2:35:10 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: max americana
That’s some info, thanks. You sure there are any “comps” from the branch manager if the kids return? (j/k)

It's a great place to work. Not a lot of money, but free meals and the pleasure of seeing happy people all day. General Managers can do very well with bonuses and what not if they run a good store. For managers the turn over ratio is relatively low compared to other restaurants or retail businesses.

43 posted on 05/13/2011 2:36:00 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: massmike


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44 posted on 05/13/2011 2:43:48 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: pgyanke

This may explain all the adults fighting with each other and the children over the machines and Chuck E Cheese in the cities.


45 posted on 05/13/2011 5:22:21 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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