Skip to comments.The Latest Attempt to Say Enhanced Interrogations Didnt Work-Using McCains Own Clouded Thinking...
Posted on 05/13/2011 3:25:57 PM PDT by SeanG200
When McCain ran for office, I heard the Left say he was senile and too old to make points and decisions. Now, the Left is using his words as authoritative, to which I could merely respond that I do not accept the words of a senile old man. But I wont, hence, this post....
Okay, firstly, there is a huge difference between what McCain went through and what these CIA guys did. In McCains case, they were straight torturing hi to get his to sign a confession and get simple operational info from him. This is not the case in regards to the enhanced interrogations, three of which included water-boarding. A great example is the wealth of information just found at Osamas compound. The U.S. intelligence apparatus is going to digest, separate, collate this info which includes names, pseudo-names, places, operations, phone numbers, addresses, and the like. When they catch someone of interest, they will sleep deprive them, give false and misleading promises info to trip up said persons stated outline because the info taken from a previous source shows this persons thesis to be a lie.Here is what McCain thinks it is:
I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear true or false if he believes it will relieve his suffering. Often, information provided to stop the torture is deliberately misleading. ....
(Excerpt) Read more at religiopoliticaltalk.com ...
Senator McCain described as false my statement that Khalid Sheik Mohammed broke under harsh interrogation that included waterboarding, and disclosed a torrent of information that included the nickname of Osama bin Ladens courier. He strongly implied in the remainder of his column in the Washington Post that this harsh interrogation was not only useless but also illegal. He is simply incorrect on all three counts.
KSM disclosed the nickname al Kuwaiti along with a wealth of other information, some of which was used to stop terror plots then in progress. He did so after refusing to answer questions and, when asked if further plots were afoot, said that his interrogators would eventually find out. Another detainee, captured in Iraq, disclosed that al Kuwaiti was a trusted operative of KSMs successor, abu Faraj al-Libbi. When al-Libbi went so far as to deny even knowing the man, his importance became obvious.
Both former CIA Director Michael Hayden and former Director of National Intelligence Admiral Michael McConnell have acknowledged repeatedly that up to 2006, many of the valuable leads pursued by the intelligence community came from the three prisoners who were subjected to harsh techniques that included waterboarding in order to secure their cooperation.
So far as the waterboarding technique used by CIA operators, as outlined in the memoranda released by the Department of Justice, it was entirely legal at the time, which is to say before the passage of later statutes in 2005 and 2006, by which time it was no longer in use and under which it has not been evaluated.
In other words, the harsh interrogation techniques were both effective and lawful.
So again, just as with Rumsfeld, the Democratic Left has taken a sound bite, not parsed through the it does not follow portions of it, misapplied it, and morally equated it to fit their argument.
I think McCain takes that stance because the North Vietnamese broke him through torture and it brings back bad memories to him. So, rather than admit (again) that it broke him, he attacks torture as a tactic. His actions I believe are designed to draw attention away from his own experiences.
McC is so venal that he would never give President Bush credit for a single thing.
And second, I think the old fool is wishing to be Obama’s next veep.