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Ben Stein: "Arab Spring" is a fraud
CBS News ^ | May 15, 2011

Posted on 05/15/2011 7:47:39 AM PDT by La Lydia

Now, I am going to tell you the truth about the so-called "Arab Spring," and about the Middle East generally right now. First, the "Arab Spring" as a force for democracy, human rights and peace in Egypt seems to me to be a fraud. The dictator and his entourage who were kicked out in Egypt were pro-West, a bit restrained on Israel, open to free enterprise, and resistant to Iranian-sponsored terror.

Egypt is now rapidly becoming anti-Israel, pro-Iran, pro the Iranian-sponsored terrorist group Hamas, and very far from being pro-human rights. They are arresting businessmen right and left in Egypt just for the crime of being successful. They have arrested Mubarak's sons, and have said they plan to try Mubarak.

The most potent of the political forces in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, hates the United States, loathes Israel, condemns the killing of bin Laden (whom they praised as a martyr), and have been wedded to terror for their entire existence.

Oh, P.S, they are closely connected with Adolph Hitler. They will probably take over Egypt completely sooner or later....

Has anyone noticed that the common denominator of all the successful Arab street movements is that they are sympathetic to Iran? When the dust settles, Iran is going to own the Middle East - except for maybe Saudi Arabia, if we have the guts to help them (which I very much doubt).

We are going to lose our pals in Bahrain - not nice guys, but pals of the U.S.A. anyway - and we are going to lose our pals in Yemen, and it will possibly have an actual al Qaeda government.

There is a gigantic regional coup by Iran taking place. We are doing very little, if anything, to stop it...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabspring; caliphate; egypt; iran; islam; israel; izlam; judeophobia; libya; middleeast; muslimbrotherhood; muzlimbrotherhood; obama; obamaforeignpolicy; syria; terror; violence
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He is right on target, and our government is blowing it.
1 posted on 05/15/2011 7:47:48 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Obama Policy at work.


2 posted on 05/15/2011 7:51:51 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Yup. Anything they can do to reduce our influence in the world and back-stab Israel.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 7:53:13 AM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: La Lydia

The cold war never ends.

If it’s not one enemy, it’s another.

But, the Islamic war against the rest of the world, will eventually become a hot war, and the only solution to radical Islam is through force. There is no way to negotiate around madness.


4 posted on 05/15/2011 7:53:26 AM PDT by adorno
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To: La Lydia

Our government is “blowing it”? Looks to me more like our current Administration is abetting it.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 7:54:13 AM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: La Lydia

Even a stopped clock...


6 posted on 05/15/2011 7:54:49 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (.)
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To: La Lydia
We need to keep making Facebook pages till we get them settled into a civilized society.
7 posted on 05/15/2011 7:55:13 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: La Lydia
We are not only not doing anything to stop it, Obama is helping the spread of Islamism wherever possible. The creation of the Greater Caliphate is getting as much help as possible by The Won.
8 posted on 05/15/2011 7:58:06 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: La Lydia
Ben Stein's conservative spring is a fraud:

Stein, an actor, writer and economist, has contributed $2,000 to Franken's Minnesota Senate campaign. The two men have known each other for about 30 years.

"I'm struck by what an incredibly capable, hard-working guy he is," Stein told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. "He's a very smart liberal, he's a thoroughgoing patriot, and I would feel better with him in the Senate."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303383,00.html#ixzz1MQsxQHyX

9 posted on 05/15/2011 7:58:57 AM PDT by DManA
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To: La Lydia

“They are arresting businessmen right and left in Egypt just for the crime of being successful. They have arrested Mubarak’s sons, and have said they plan to try Mubarak. “

That’s the only good thing they have done so far. Being ‘successful’ there is being a corrupt SOB, all their illegally obtained properties should be confiscated. I’d be successful too if FedGov gave me Manhattan land for $1 a m2


10 posted on 05/15/2011 8:00:42 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: DManA

What, so you think the Arab Spring isn’t advancing the interests of Iran?


11 posted on 05/15/2011 8:02:03 AM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: La Lydia
There goes another liberal fantasy.....


12 posted on 05/15/2011 8:08:49 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after TEOTWAWKI)
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To: La Lydia
Egypt were pro-West, a bit restrained on Israel, open to free enterprise, and resistant to Iranian-sponsored terror. Egypt is now rapidly becoming anti-Israel, pro-Iran, pro the Iranian-sponsored terrorist group Hamas, and very far from being pro-human rights

The real story is that none of the breathless, highly educated, "Professional Journalists" cheering on the "freedom fighters for democracy" saw that one coming.

13 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:23 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: La Lydia

Stein seems to be able to see our islamic enemies clearly even if he is incapable of understanding the danger from our liberal enemies.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 8:16:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: La Lydia

An ascendant Iran is a long held dream of the current white house occupant.


15 posted on 05/15/2011 8:19:45 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: La Lydia

Agree. I was struck by all the ‘rebels’ crying out for ‘democracy’. They spoke in English and knew what word to use to excite the Western journalists. Islamofascists.


16 posted on 05/15/2011 8:29:42 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: La Lydia
Stein misses the obvious as usual..
Egypt has never had FREEdom, and has always been run by a dictator..
The people do not know or want freedom..

Much like Russia or China.. the people have never had, known or want freedom...
They have never had God given Rights but instead government allowed privileges..

The people of Russia, China and Egypt and the rest of the world including Europe don't know the difference between privileges AND rights..

Ben Stein missed all that.. How about you!..

17 posted on 05/15/2011 8:31:27 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: La Lydia

DUH...a little slow on the uptake aren’t we Ben!


18 posted on 05/15/2011 8:33:05 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS orRINO's.)
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To: La Lydia

“Egypt is now rapidly becoming anti-Israel, pro-Iran, pro the Iranian-sponsored terrorist group Hamas, and very far from being pro-human rights.”

An unpleasant reality is that the above is a direct result OF democracy in Egypt. Their citizens are quite content with such a state of affairs.


19 posted on 05/15/2011 8:33:09 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: La Lydia

This could be the first time Stein’s been on target in the last five years!


20 posted on 05/15/2011 8:35:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: screaminsunshine

He is “fundamentally changing our country” like he said he would and half of the population is still waiting for the free cheese handout.


21 posted on 05/15/2011 8:37:09 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: DManA
Ben Stein's conservative spring is a fraud

What is your point? The article wasn't about Ben Stein claiming to be a conservative.
22 posted on 05/15/2011 8:39:29 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: La Lydia

The reality is that our government can do very little about it. Revolutions must play themselves out and then we deal with what results.


23 posted on 05/15/2011 8:41:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: La Lydia

The invasion of Iraq certainly did. Were you and Stein cheering on that action? What Bush and Obama don’t seem to get is democracy is the LAST thing sections of the Middle East should be “blessed” with.


24 posted on 05/15/2011 8:44:04 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

I don’t know what you are talking about. I was happy with the status quo in Egypt. And I agree with you about democracy in the Middle East, having read Montesquieu long ago.


25 posted on 05/15/2011 8:49:56 AM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: screaminsunshine
FTA:

There is a gigantic regional coup by Iran taking place. We are doing very little, if anything, to stop it.

We are not doing "little, if anything, to stop it," rather, the AQ/MB loving Ameica hater, communist, and secret Mudslime in the WH is doing everything he can to make it happen.

26 posted on 05/15/2011 8:52:07 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: La Lydia

The Bush Administration’s long term strategy to eliminate terror was to “drain the swamp” of radicalism in the Middle East through such actions as removing Saddam as the dictator of Iraq and introducing democracy. Heck his 2nd inaugural speech was replete with that silliness.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23747-2005Jan20.html

Bad idea then and bad idea now. End result was and is a heightening of Iranian influence throughout the Middle East as well as the loss of American power. Lambast Obama all you want but some of us on FR have long memories and will not give Dubya a pass.


27 posted on 05/15/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: La Lydia

“The most potent of the political forces in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, hates the United States, loathes Israel, condemns the killing of bin Laden (whom they praised as a martyr), and have been wedded to terror for their entire existence. “

Exactly right.

And just remember that Obama forced Mubarak to resign, which allowed the MB to flourish.

It’s all oriented towards a radical Muslim takeover of the Middle East, led by Iran and now they will have nukes too...

Palestinian ‘nabka’ protests turn deadly. Israel sees Iran’s ‘fingerprints.’

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0515/Palestinian-nabka-protests-turn-deadly.-Israel-sees-Iran-s-fingerprints.

Eight said killed as IDF fires on infiltrators from Syria and Lebanon

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/eight-said-killed-as-idf-fires-on-infiltrators-from-syria-and-lebanon-1.361841


28 posted on 05/15/2011 9:23:16 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: La Lydia
He is right on target, and our government is blowing orchestrating it.
29 posted on 05/15/2011 9:24:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: kabar
The reality is that our government can do very little about it

Th reality is that our government fermented it -

30 posted on 05/15/2011 9:29:45 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: La Lydia
Ha ha ha! I wonder if Ben Stein knows he's only now saying what Glenn Beck has been saying for quite a while now.

Sing it, people! "Caliphate! Caliphate! Bow to the Mus-ick"

31 posted on 05/15/2011 9:36:08 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: La Lydia

Thanks for posting this. So far, he is the only one I heard articulate this so clearly.

The MSM is complicit in all this, constantly talking about “the protesters”, without telling us WHO the protesters are and what is their real agenda.

And of course Obama is fully aware and is helping this — he forced Mubarak to resign, but didn’t lift a finger or say a word, when Iran was killing their real democratic protesters.


32 posted on 05/15/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: maine-iac7

Fermented it? How so?


33 posted on 05/15/2011 9:44:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: La Lydia

Absolutely. Democracy is not in the Koran.


34 posted on 05/15/2011 10:07:43 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: La Lydia

Ben Stein has reached the point with this child where I pay no attention whatsoever as to his convoluted blaterings.


35 posted on 05/15/2011 10:11:15 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Being an autodidact, I happily escaped the bureaucratization of intellect)
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To: La Lydia
The view from the WH is that more “reset” and “outreach” to the Muslim world is needed. And just what towering international figure is prepared to guide the Arabs in the ways of democracy? Why, it's none other than mufti-in-chief Barack Hussein:

“US President Barack Obama is expected to call on Middle East governments to respond peacefully to the democratic demands of their citizens, when he delivers a major address on American policy in the region this coming Thursday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said on Friday.

Obama has always viewed the future of the Middle East and North Africa through the prism of democracy and the yearning of the people there for political freedom and participation in their government, Carney said.

“I’m sure he will call as he has in the past on the governments in the region to respond to those [democratic] demands through peaceful political dialogue,” Carney said.

Governments who have used force against their own people in the name of preserving stability are only creating greater instability, he said.

“We’ve gone through a remarkable period in the first several months of this year in the Middle East and North Africa, and the president obviously has some important things to say about how he views the upheaval and how he has approached the US response to the events in the region,” said Carney.

The scheduling of the speech on May 19, just two days after a visit to Washington by Jordan’s King Abdullah II on Tuesday and a day before Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is set to talk with Obama on Friday, has led to speculation that Obama might be unveiling a new peace plan with regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The Wall Street Journal on Saturday, however, wrote that according to a senior US official the Obama speech would not focus on the stalled negotiations nor would it serve as a launching pad for new talks.”

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=220542

36 posted on 05/15/2011 10:12:04 AM PDT by mojito
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To: La Lydia

LTN


37 posted on 05/15/2011 10:18:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: La Lydia; adorno
>>>>>>He is right on target, and our government is blowing it.<<<<<<

IMHO, He is missing target, in support of "our" government who foments it. No way that the majority of Freepers could see it clearly and U.S. Governemnt with Alphabet soup of agencies supposedly could not.

They know what we do not - what is an endgame.

The powers that be hope to use Muslims as their tool, the same they used Communists and Nazis.

Their joint Communist/Nazi project left more than 100 MILLION dead. How many will die because of "Arab Spring"? 50 million, 100 million or more?

There is a huge difference between secular totalitarian ideologies such as Communisam and Nazism and Islam.

Some people wanted to resist Communism/Nazism and no gulag or konzlager could change that. And they succeeded.

In Islam, Gulag is one's head.

Or, in technical terms, there was a hidden OFF button for Communism/Nazism. In Islam, OFF button is omitted by design. It is either submit or die, until Islam controls the whole world.

How Powers that be hope to switch it off is beyond me.

Perhaps this joke could give us an insight

38 posted on 05/15/2011 12:03:02 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: mewykwistmas
That’s the only good thing they have done so far. Being ‘successful’ there is being a corrupt SOB, all their illegally obtained properties should be confiscated. I’d be successful too if FedGov gave me Manhattan land for $1 a m2

Regardless your opinion, rule of law and due process should at a minimum be applied. If they broke the law then fine. If they are simply "capitalist" enemies of the collectivist mobs that mimic the 0bamarixts dreams then that is another story all together.

39 posted on 05/15/2011 12:19:31 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: kabar; All
Hey, Freepers, kabar wants to know why I say our gov’t (aka the WH) fermented to unrest...

(I'm thinking maybe kabar has been out of town for a bit - like on another planet, out of reach of news (other the the mainSlimes) and Internet?)

I got something requiring attention on the stove - would y'all like to fill kabar in?

40 posted on 05/15/2011 1:06:22 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: hosepipe
Egypt has never had FREEdom, and has always been run by a dictator.. The people do not know or want freedom.. Much like Russia or China.. the people have never had, known or want[ed] freedom...

Quite true. In fact, Egypt was the original fountainhead of the modern techniques of totalitarian government. In 305 A.D., having just established the Tetrarchy in which he voluntarily associated three other men in the imperial purple, the Roman Emperor Diocletian settled his court in Egypt. His peer, the Augustus Maximian, was in southern France. Their juniors, Caesars Constantius Chlorus (grandfather of Constantine) and Galerius, had simplified courts in their garrison towns nearer the frontiers of the Empire.

To support a military campaign in the East by Galerius against the Persians, Diocletian moved from Italy to Egypt. While there, he observed the very ancient Egyptian tax-collection machinery in action, and the labor-corvee which the temple priests imposed on the people through the local officialdom.

Diocletian copied the Egyptian techniques and ideas and generalized them thoughout the Empire. Those precepts are today the foundation of modern totalitarianism. The supremacy of the State, the untouchability of rulers, the dictation of the minutiae of life without appeal or redress are all the legacy of the Egyptian priesthood and what they taught the Pharaohs, the Ptolemies, and Diocletian.

41 posted on 05/15/2011 2:16:13 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: maine-iac7; kabar
Our FRiend is referring to the fact that The Won has been back-channeling to the Muslim Brotherhood for a couple of years now, using as his personal emissaries and -- not to be too blunt about the comparison to Osama Bin Laden -- couriers to send word back and forth to the Brotherhood in Egypt, to-wit, terrorists (I don't consider them either "retired" or "ex-") Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and a woman who is high up in the wiring diagram of Code Pink. All were present simultaneously in Egypt, talking to the MB types, when the Gaza "flotilla" episode transpired, and apparently carrying Obama's mail for him to the MB.

It would appear from that and from the official diplomatic moves and semiofficial back-channeling to Hosni Mubarak during the latter's overthrow, that Obama was cooperating with MB in the effort to overthrow, and that de facto Pres_ent Obama is an ally and supporter of both the MB and of the Al-Q'aedist jihadis in Syria. He has likewise taken a hand on the side of radical insurrectionists trying to overthrow the governments of Yemen and Bahrain.

Add it up. Obama's acting in concert with radical Islam, our deadly enemy, to ruin the security policy and diplomacy of the United States.

42 posted on 05/15/2011 2:26:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: La Lydia

Yay, Ben Stein!!


43 posted on 05/15/2011 2:29:26 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: La Lydia; livius
Also: Obama vs. Israel
44 posted on 05/15/2011 2:31:51 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: La Lydia
When the dust settles, Iran is going to own the Middle East - except for maybe Saudi Arabia, if we have the guts to help them (which I very much doubt).

The Arabs are going to end up as Persian slaves (again)

45 posted on 05/15/2011 2:42:45 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Time to raise Cain.)
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To: DManA

Ben Stein is establishing a name to facilitate running for office. He sees the Country swinging conservative, so he’s a conservative, now. Whatever it takes to earn the Congressional retirement package, that’s what Ben Stein will do!


46 posted on 05/15/2011 2:56:38 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: KantianBurke
The invasion of Iraq certainly did. Were you and Stein cheering on that action?

A strong Westward looking Iraq is the only foil against Iran (Persians). Again, think Ft. Apache.

47 posted on 05/15/2011 3:02:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Time to raise Cain.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Bingo ;o)


48 posted on 05/15/2011 3:13:59 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: Mike Darancette
"A strong Westward looking Iraq"

Yeah. How's that working out for you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR2008030200193.html

49 posted on 05/15/2011 3:50:53 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

I don’t think the Arabs in Iraq want to be Persian slaves.


50 posted on 05/15/2011 4:08:20 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Time to raise Cain.)
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