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Should America Declare Victory in the War On Terrorism?
Pinochet

Posted on 05/15/2011 9:38:50 AM PDT by pinochet

With the death of Osama, it is time for America to declare victory on the War on Terrorism. The main aim of the war on terrorism was to destroy Al Qaeda and kill Osama, just as World War Two aimed to destroy the Nazis and kill Hitler. Of course, mopping up operations should be carried out, to capture and kill remnants of Al Qaeda. But we do not want to see another endless war, similar to the so-called war on drugs, which will never come to an end.

The war on terrorism was used as an excuse to take away the civil liberties of the American people. Conservatives are usually firm defenders of the constitution. But under the Bush 43 administration, they were willing to ditch civil liberties, in order to feel safer. Conservatives were willing to tolerate government surveillance to a greater extent than at any time in American history. The Patriot Act had many unconstitutional provisions. Lots of government workers were hired to snoop on Americans.

Now that those unconstitutional powers are in the hands of Obama and his socialist crowd, some conservatives are having a hard time staying awake at night. It is time to stop harrassing little old ladies with tweezers, when they attempt to board planes in our airports.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: civilliberties; osamadeath; terrorism; victory
Safety in commercial flights could have been obtained by simply reinforcing cockpit doors, and by strictly enforcing laws against illegal immigrants and visa overstayers. That would have been much cheaper than hiring hundreds of thousands of people to manage a national security bureaucracy, that has cost Americans trillions of dollars. Government bureaucracies often take advantage of tragedies, to increase their budgets, their size, and their power. It is time to rein them in, and give power back to the people.
1 posted on 05/15/2011 9:38:54 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Not until we rid ourselves of the Muslim in the White House.


2 posted on 05/15/2011 9:42:57 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: pinochet
Should America Declare Victory in the War On Terrorism?

Doing so would be a lie.
3 posted on 05/15/2011 9:42:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: pinochet
Do you think that Al Qaeda is the only terrorist threat? Iran has backed much terror it the world and has threatened to destroy US and Israel. How many muslim countries have declared war on the USA?

You can't give up after one victory.

4 posted on 05/15/2011 9:44:34 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: pinochet

“But we do not want to see another endless war”

Do you prefer more planes flying into buildings, nuclear plants attacked, etc...?

There is NO end to the War on Terror, until every last terrorist is dead.

However, I do agree with you that the so-called “safety measures” implemented by our government, such as molesting travelers, is NOT the way to keep us safe. The problem is that the government is NOT using one of the most important available tools: PROFILING.

President Bush and Rumsfeld said at the time that they are prosecuting the War on Terror to kill terrorists “over there, BEFORE they have a chance to come and kill us over here”.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 9:47:07 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

We have troops all over the world. Korea has “Truce” status.


6 posted on 05/15/2011 9:48:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: pinochet
With the death of Osama, it is time for America to declare victory on the War on Terrorism.

What about these groups?

Designated Terrorist Organizations

7 posted on 05/15/2011 9:49:07 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: UniqueViews

Does this sound like the way to win the war?

… occasionally there are riveting communications, such as a recent e-mail from a noncommissioned officer (NCO) serving in Afghanistan. He explains why the rules of engagement for U.S. troops are “too prohibitive for coalition forces to achieve sustained tactical successes.”

Receiving mortar fire during an overnight mission, his unit called for a 155mm howitzer illumination round to be fired to reveal the enemy’s location. The request was rejected “on the grounds that it may cause collateral damage.” The NCO says that the only thing that comes down from an illumination round is a canister, and the likelihood of it hitting someone or something was akin to that of being struck by lightning.

Returning from a mission, his unit took casualties from an improvised explosive device that the unit knew had been placed no more than an hour earlier. “There were villagers laughing at the U.S. casualties” and “two suspicious individuals were seen fleeing the scene and entering a home.” U.S. forces “are no longer allowed to search homes without Afghan National Security Forces personnel present.” But when his unit asked Afghan police to search the house, the police refused on the grounds that the people in the house “are good people.”
On another mission, some Afghan adults ran off with their children immediately before the NCO’s unit came under heavy small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), and the unit asked for artillery fire on the enemy position. The response was a question: Where is the nearest civilian structure? “Judging distances,” the NCO writes dryly, “can be difficult when bullets and RPGs are flying over your head.” When the artillery support was denied because of fear of collateral damage, the unit asked for a “smoke mission” — like an illumination round; only the canister falls to earth — “to conceal our movement as we planned to flank and destroy the enemy.” This request was granted — but because of fear of collateral damage, the round was deliberately fired one kilometer off the requested site, making “the smoke mission useless and leaving us to fend for ourselves.”

http://floppingaces.net/2010/06/21/obamas-rules-of-engagement-in-afghanistan-will-ensure-we-lose/


8 posted on 05/15/2011 9:52:46 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: pinochet

obama “killed” osama?

Yhe king is dead. Long live the king.


9 posted on 05/15/2011 9:53:51 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: pinochet

You can, I guess, ‘declare the end of the war on terrorism’, if that’s what floats your boat - I’m not so sure the terrorists would agree to go along, though....

Killing Osama, however justified and emotionally satisfying, will have no real effect on AQ, et. al., unless you’re living in a 1930’s “Jungle Jim” movie (shoot the cheif or the medicine man and the tribe quits and runs away...) instead of fighting a sophisticated force which comes complete with modern conveniences like chains-of-command and succession plans...


10 posted on 05/15/2011 10:00:20 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: pinochet
"That would have been much cheaper than hiring hundreds of thousands of people to manage a national security bureaucracy,"

Not hiring hundreds of thousands of good little Democrats who will vote for Socialist schemes and Marxist candidates? Preposterous!

11 posted on 05/15/2011 10:00:32 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: mountainlion

>>>Do you think that Al Qaeda is the only terrorist threat?

America has been fighting terrorism, in one form or another, since the 1960s. America also led an effort to isolate Iran and Hezbollah in the 1980s. We all remember Reagan’s message to Abu Nidal and other terrorists: “you can run, but you cannot hide”.

But America managed to fight terrorism effectively, without a huge bureaucracy, that is limiting the rights of Americans and driving them to bankruptcy.

We can declare victory in the war we began on 9-11. But we can continue to fight terrorism like we have always fought them before 9-11. Americans need to free themselves from the huge government bureaucracy that has been placed on their shoulders.

Remember that World War Two was not a “war on fascism”. It was a war on Hitler and Mussolini. After the war, fascist governments remained in office in Spain and Portugal. Those governments were not a threat to America. A war on terrorism without any end in sight, will mean that Americans will permanently lose privacy rights, and other fundamental constitutional rights. Do you want your grandchildren to be groped at airports 50 years from today, in a war that will have no end?


12 posted on 05/15/2011 10:02:55 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Remove every angry Mussie from our soil.
Then declare victory.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 10:06:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: pinochet

No doubt. Just look at the mess Bush created. Whole new huge agencies. TSA DHS etc. Awful. I say get the hell out of the ME and root em out here. They are in the Mosques in plain view.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 10:30:13 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: pinochet

Declaring that the war on terror is over because OBL is dead is akin to declaring that murder, rape, drunk driving, theft, etc. shouldn’t be investigated and prosecuted because they’re all illegal and should therefore never occur.


15 posted on 05/15/2011 10:30:17 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: pinochet

“We can declare victory in the war we began on 9-11.”

WE didnt begine the war...and it didnt begin on 9/11....

And it wont end until THEY surrender...

Cut and run is still cut and run...doesnt matter what you may “declare” while doing it...


16 posted on 05/15/2011 10:37:39 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: pinochet
It's probably time to declare victory on round 1 and head home.

We can blow money on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and you-name-it-stan until our printing presses run dry, but at this rate, those days aren't far off. We're not fighting in a serious manner, and there's no chance we're going. We could fight as we are for another 50 years and not change a thing.

We'll run out of money long before the world runs out of jihad.

17 posted on 05/15/2011 10:39:06 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: pinochet

Yes ...and then give 30 days notice to the TSA jerks at airports


18 posted on 05/15/2011 11:11:40 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: pinochet

Yes ...and then give 30 days notice to the TSA jerks at airports


19 posted on 05/15/2011 11:11:48 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: pinochet

Well, let’s pull out of the three countries we are sort of at war with, first. It’s not like we can win, meaning change the hearts and minds of those in the countries.


20 posted on 05/15/2011 11:16:30 AM PDT by unique
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To: Crim

While I agree with your first two points... exactly who is “They”? That is the whole problem that I have with this War on Terror. The enemy was never defined, therefore we don’t really know who we are fighting much less the criteria for winning.


21 posted on 05/15/2011 11:36:40 AM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: pinochet
Nice try. Thanks for playing.

Next.

22 posted on 05/15/2011 11:37:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: pinochet
"I declare 'Bankruptcy'!"

There! My debt problems are over!

Ok, actually, we should just end the war on terrorism and declare the authentic war against militant islam, wherever it exists.

23 posted on 05/15/2011 11:41:46 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: pinochet

We won in Vietnam too...before we lost it.


24 posted on 05/15/2011 11:42:12 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: Tallguy

If you dont know who your enemy is by now I cant help you....


25 posted on 05/15/2011 11:48:16 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Crim

Excuse me I wasn’t clear that I was referring to the general public, not myself. I would have been delighted with a declaration of war on Afghanistan immediately after 9/11. The Taliban regime was clearly an enemy for harboring Al Qaeda.


26 posted on 05/15/2011 12:09:49 PM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: pinochet

And WW2 was just an excuse to make people turn off all their lights every night.


27 posted on 05/15/2011 12:12:40 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: pinochet
America also led an effort to isolate Iran and Hezbollah in the 1980s.

And how is that working out over this past 10 years?

Every few years, America also helps the Philippines "defeat" the Moros, too...but they still need to be "defeated" or "destroyed again, a few years later.

28 posted on 05/15/2011 1:24:10 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: pinochet

I like George Bush, but I think he made one big mistake when he defined the War On Terror. It should have been The War On Islam. They are at war with us and were then.


29 posted on 05/15/2011 2:31:42 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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