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McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens
new american ^ | 4/18/2010 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 05/15/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by Nachum

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

The bill, which has eight cosponsors, explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial:

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent ... may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis added.]

Note that the Bush administration once said that the so-called “war on terror” would last a generation or more, and the U.S. military has officially classified many former Guantanamo detainees, such as England's Tipton Three, as having “returned to the battlefield” for merely granting an interview for the movie The Road to Guantanamo. Another five innocent Uighur (Ethnic Turkish Muslims from China) detainees had been listed as having “returned to the battlefield” after their release because their lawyer had written an op-ed protesting their prolonged detention without trial after they had been mistakenly picked up by a greedy bounty hunter. Writing an opinion or speaking an opinion against the party in power in Washington can — and already has — made some people “enemy belligerents.”

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Comrades! Enjoy your new home in Siberia
1 posted on 05/15/2011 10:15:22 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

What did they do to that guy in the Hanoi Hilton?


2 posted on 05/15/2011 10:17:27 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: Nachum

I wish McCain would just shut up and retire before he does any more damage.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 10:17:30 AM PDT by Califreak (You can't go swimming in a baseball pool)
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To: Nachum
The RINO Mclaim. . . . .
I will believe anything.
4 posted on 05/15/2011 10:18:56 AM PDT by DeaconRed (It's bad when the President can't name all 57 States! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: screaminsunshine
What did they do to that guy in the Hanoi Hilton?

Indeed

5 posted on 05/15/2011 10:19:09 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Just as a heads-up, this was introduced last year and died an early death.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3081


6 posted on 05/15/2011 10:20:26 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Nachum
This provides massive incentive for citizens to evade arrest.
7 posted on 05/15/2011 10:21:18 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: Nachum

Apparently, McCain wants to extend Constitutional protections to foreign terrorists and eliminate them for American citizens.


8 posted on 05/15/2011 10:21:18 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Nachum
The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010

Old news. This article is over a year old.

9 posted on 05/15/2011 10:21:24 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Nachum

I’ve come to the conclusion that it wouldn’t have mattered who won in the last election. McCain and Obama have way too much in common.


10 posted on 05/15/2011 10:22:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Nachum; Travis McGee; Jack Black
Any politician who co-sponsors and/or votes to approve this legislation is a self-declared domestic enemy of the Constitution.

R2/CW2 anyone??

11 posted on 05/15/2011 10:23:57 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Nachum

After destroying the 1st Amendment, it looks like McCain has the 4th and 5th in his sights.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 10:24:05 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: Nachum

Let’s start with any Presidents, Senators or Congressman who propose or enact any laws or policies that violate their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. And waterboard them daily, too.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 10:25:00 AM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: Bockscar; Arthur Wildfire! March; stockpirate; AvOrdVet; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; ...
Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens....indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

Just wait until Obama declares all Tea Partiers to be "enemy belligerents."

FUJM!!!

14 posted on 05/15/2011 10:25:03 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: screaminsunshine
"What did they do to that guy in the Hanoi Hilton?"

Don't fall for the phony hero crap.
Getting captured does not make one a hero. We had may heroes during the Viet Nam conflict. Mclaim was not one of them.
I know you didn't say he was a hero but some have said it.
Some of the men there with Mclaim don't think to highly of him. Since I wasn't there I can't really say, except he is no hero that much I know.

15 posted on 05/15/2011 10:25:08 AM PDT by DeaconRed (It's bad when the President can't name all 57 States! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: Nachum
Mr. McKeating appears to be an "enemy belligerent."

What now?

16 posted on 05/15/2011 10:25:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: Nachum
I'm pretty belligerent when it comes to Obama. Guess I better pack my bags.
17 posted on 05/15/2011 10:26:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Nachum

I loathe McCain and his daughter is a nut that didn’t fall any distance at all from the tree. (not an apple, a nut)


18 posted on 05/15/2011 10:26:36 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: Nachum

“simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

This is too much unchecked power for the president.

I can see the detention for terrorists, as the ones we captured in Afghanistan, etc., those who are in Guantanamo now — I can see a future need for “indefinite detention”, but that should be determined by some very clear criteria, by a military tribunal, or more, it most certainly should NOT be just at the decision of the president alone, or we will be in a dictatorship as soon as this becomes law, and we can all expect that “knock on the door” and indefinite detention — any criticism of the president could be defined as being “belligerent”, not as exercising our freedom of speech. Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their grave.


19 posted on 05/15/2011 10:27:03 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: Voter#537

Well they sure turned his arms in to rubber seeing how far he can “reach” across the aisle.


20 posted on 05/15/2011 10:27:07 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: screaminsunshine

“Manchurian candidate”


21 posted on 05/15/2011 10:27:54 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: sourcery

What is really sad about this matter is were it to be enacted, I am not certain the SC would void it and surely not if (.)bama gets another sycophant onto the court.


22 posted on 05/15/2011 10:28:04 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Nachum
Comrades! Enjoy your new home in Siberia

Make that ALASKA, once Sarah is elected.

Wouldn't it be highly ironic to see those Dems getting the persecution in real life, that they've been claiming in their deranged persecution fantasies all along...? /sarc>

Cheers!

23 posted on 05/15/2011 10:28:44 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Nachum
explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial

No surprise that McCain would be supporting legislation that is constitutionally illegal.

And to think that the GOP nominated him as their standard bearer in 2008.
24 posted on 05/15/2011 10:29:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Nachum

I thought this was the AZConservative satire at first!


25 posted on 05/15/2011 10:30:09 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Nachum

26 posted on 05/15/2011 10:30:23 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Old news. This article is over a year old.

I updated the header to reflect the actual published date of the article.

27 posted on 05/15/2011 10:31:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: UniqueViews

He sure is a strange bird.


28 posted on 05/15/2011 10:31:03 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: Nachum

So we can stomp all over the constitutional rights of citizens but we can’t torture? Really?


29 posted on 05/15/2011 10:34:30 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: Nachum

I’ll agree if they start with the Obamaloon and McKennedy.

No trial.

No contact with anyone.

Forever.

Oh, more votes from me if they take McKennedy’s bimbo daughter with them.


30 posted on 05/15/2011 10:34:39 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: screaminsunshine
What did they do to that guy in the Hanoi Hilton?

Pampered him with prostitutes, if Jack Wheeler is to be believed...

31 posted on 05/15/2011 10:35:12 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Nachum

If you can’t make bail, you can be in jail for years without a trial.


32 posted on 05/15/2011 10:36:27 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: sourcery
Let’s start with any Presidents, Senators or Congressman who propose or enact any laws or policies that violate their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. And waterboard them daily, too.
And let's end with them, too.

Let's call it the Tancredo Principle: Politicians who want to take away our rights are more dangerous than foreign terrorists.

Not just Obama. Our very "own" McStupid is right up there near the top of the list.

33 posted on 05/15/2011 10:36:48 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: sourcery

Don’t waste time waterboarding them, just bury them in anthills, no muss, no fuss and they won’t dream up any more unconstitutional ideas.


34 posted on 05/15/2011 10:38:04 AM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: Nachum

Isn’t there some kind of thingee about “a right to a speedy trial”?


35 posted on 05/15/2011 10:38:55 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: DTogo

Man you are right on the money there. Anybody who even thinks about voting for such a horrible piece of legislation should be bounced out on their ear. This is scary stuff.


36 posted on 05/15/2011 10:41:03 AM PDT by Graneros ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.")
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To: Voter#537

I’m willing to say that anyone who endured 5 1/2 years in a Vietnamese prison and came out of it with integrity fairly intact is a hero. (And, I’m not interested in arguing McCain’s record in VN prison. Maybe he did; maybe he didn’t.).

But, that doesn’t automatically transfer to a pass on his legislative record, which is fairly mainstream except for some abysmally bad and anti-American/anti-Constitutional efforts on his part. Those anti- efforts, IMO, wipe out any moderate or otherwise fairly innocuous legislative record on his part.


37 posted on 05/15/2011 10:42:33 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Califreak

Kind of like the Hanoi Hilton, huh McCain?


38 posted on 05/15/2011 10:44:00 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Nachum

We had no choice in the last election for president. That means between two parties before I get all the Ron Paul Bots.


39 posted on 05/15/2011 10:48:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Nachum
And to think that the Republican Party offered this Elitist, collectivist, statist as their candidate.

40 posted on 05/15/2011 10:51:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Nachum

why doesn’t he just shut up and go away?


42 posted on 05/15/2011 11:00:27 AM PDT by wny
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To: Nachum

FUJM

I don’t think he knows what beligerence is.


43 posted on 05/15/2011 11:01:20 AM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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To: Nachum
Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial.

So, Obama will then be able to designate conservatives as "enemy belligerents"! I guess he can then make the North Slope of Alaska USA's Siberia.

Enjoy your new home, Freepers!


44 posted on 05/15/2011 11:03:43 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Nachum
So holding them indefinitely without trial is OK - but you had BETTER invoke the physical reaction to drowning on them while they sit there - imprisoned by a Government that doesn't recognize their natural right to a trial by jury of his peers.

This is so Unconstitutional I was looking to see if it was satire or not!

They say it is hard to write satire these days.....

45 posted on 05/15/2011 11:04:50 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

This may be old news to some that don’t study history.
Who guards the guards?
Who watches the watchers?
We do. Every day.


46 posted on 05/15/2011 11:05:53 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: MizSterious

Yes, indeedy. Right on.


47 posted on 05/15/2011 11:06:03 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Califreak

Can you imagine this guy as our President? I shudder when I contemplate the fact that I actually sent him money. The McLame “family” is another “political family” ( not unlike the Kennedy’s, Buse’s, et.al.) that needs to go away. The damage this man has done is legion, and yet the moron Republicans in Arizona just keep re-electing him. Seemingly, our only hope for turnover in the Senate is old age, or young women! Oh well, I do see that we have seven who are retiring at the end of this term. If only Hatch and Lugar would also oblige so we could get a couple of appointments before the next election.


48 posted on 05/15/2011 11:07:02 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Hardraade

I hadn’t heard that one. Do you have a source for that?


49 posted on 05/15/2011 11:23:40 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Nachum
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean nothing to these idiots. The slippery slope of rationalizing the assault on our rights and liberties will ultimately end in a new country, the USSA!

Mike

50 posted on 05/15/2011 11:27:31 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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