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McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens
new american ^ | 4/18/2010 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 05/15/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by Nachum

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

The bill, which has eight cosponsors, explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial:

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent ... may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis added.]

Note that the Bush administration once said that the so-called “war on terror” would last a generation or more, and the U.S. military has officially classified many former Guantanamo detainees, such as England's Tipton Three, as having “returned to the battlefield” for merely granting an interview for the movie The Road to Guantanamo. Another five innocent Uighur (Ethnic Turkish Muslims from China) detainees had been listed as having “returned to the battlefield” after their release because their lawyer had written an op-ed protesting their prolonged detention without trial after they had been mistakenly picked up by a greedy bounty hunter. Writing an opinion or speaking an opinion against the party in power in Washington can — and already has — made some people “enemy belligerents.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: Outlaw Woman

Wheeler broke the story, and then was rebutted by another POW. This is the “rebuttal to the rebuttal”, but in any case you now know which Jack Wheeler. The original stuff is somewhere on there. Anyway, I was sceptical. Over time, I have become less sceptical.

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3077/2/


51 posted on 05/15/2011 11:44:56 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Califreak

I second that. The more he talks, the worse it gets.


52 posted on 05/15/2011 11:47:09 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Nachum
As the detainment of citizens on no basis is distinctly UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and as this man is a SWORN representative of the US Constitution, I point out that this man McCain is committing Treason and therefore is an Enemy Belligerent. Because of this, I feel he should be the first and last to fall under this ruling.

Please... Take him away...

53 posted on 05/15/2011 12:07:10 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: MizSterious

There is one difference: Republicans and conservatives would be getting the blame for McCain’s insanity...


54 posted on 05/15/2011 12:20:36 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: Nachum

“enemy belligerent “

That will soon mean any person who doesn’t think like a Democrat/Muslim/Communist, if it doesn’t already.

That’s the end of America the exceptional, land of the free and home of the brave. And the judges already say the police can just walk (or break) into your house and . . .


55 posted on 05/15/2011 2:26:44 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Nachum

why post something that is a year old and not mention it? We usually mentionwhen we post something old.....


56 posted on 05/15/2011 3:29:01 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: Nachum

why post something that is a year old and not mention it? We usually mention when we post something old.....


57 posted on 05/15/2011 3:29:10 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: Nachum

Fascist pos .. this is last media pick for the GOP ..

wonder what they will serve up this time for us to make a choice between the lesser of two evils on ..


58 posted on 05/15/2011 5:19:56 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: dirtboy
Just as a heads-up, this was introduced last year and died an early death.

Shhsh. You are not supposed to interrupt the fun of the McCain Deranged.

59 posted on 05/15/2011 5:53:49 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Nachum

The man is insane. There is simply no question about it.


60 posted on 05/15/2011 6:30:14 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Hardraade

This is the same Jack Wheeler that was murdered?


61 posted on 05/15/2011 9:26:54 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman

No, another one and much more colorful. He likes to tout himself as a “real-life Indiana Jones”.


62 posted on 05/15/2011 9:40:13 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade

That was quite a scathing article although some of the things he thought would be an issue should McCain become the nominee did not happen. However, I don’t have any problems believing the things he stated. McCain is a nasty, twisted individual and how in God’s name he ever became the nominee is beyond me. He has done more damage to our country than a democrat and he is still going strong...


63 posted on 05/15/2011 9:56:39 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Nachum

Introducing that blatantly unconstitutional crap makes him an enemy belligerent in my book, so to paraphrase Spock in Star Trek V:

ARREST YOURSELF MR. MCCAIN!


64 posted on 05/15/2011 10:00:56 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Nachum

McCain is one of the most damaging, most traitorous pieces of crap to have been inflicted upon America.


65 posted on 05/15/2011 10:01:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

The thing about McCain being the Republican nominee is this: McCain threw the election. On purpose, it was clearly a rigged game. The reason he selected Sarah as a running mate was he thought she’d be insignificant. Boy, was he ever wrong - in fact, she almost drove Obongo under. And then, of course, they had to loot the treasury, an operation that is actually becoming clear and with audit trails popping up.


66 posted on 05/15/2011 10:03:23 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Nachum
Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

And this guy still got reelected. I did not know he had introduced this bill then, just reading about this right now. Why I fully expect he will shed his sheep's clothing and let the whole world see him as the wolf he really is. Oh and the lord McCain lovers ... b i t e me!

Why he is every bit as much anti-Constitution as BamBamKennedy... Seems it would not have matter much who got elected president in 2008.

67 posted on 05/15/2011 10:10:46 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Hardraade

Palin imo was chosen to grab the conservative vote. I find it difficult to believe that they thought she would be insignificant. She would not be insignificant just by the very fact that she was female; the first woman running mate since Ferro (sp). But I don’t think they anticipated the effect she did have. They completely underestimated that.

If you think the election was rigged, who was responsible? McCain was a ridiculously weak candidate and imo if anything was rigged, it was the primaries. He rolled over like a beached whale and conceded quickly on 11/4/08 which floored me. Especially since there were so many reports of fraud and intimidation. We’ll never know for sure...or maybe something will come out in the future. who knows.


68 posted on 05/15/2011 10:34:39 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Yes, well.. remember that she wasn’t all that well known nationally before the primaries. And the rigging was obvious in the debates - Obongo was really on both sides of the table.

No, I figure they flubbed what they had intended to do, and then the financial crisis became necessary to take the pressure off, and put Obongo over the top.


69 posted on 05/15/2011 10:40:52 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade

Oh, and who was responsible? The one responsible for the Obongo faction *was* Bill Clinton. If you look at the Obongo administration, it looks like a cut&paste of the old Clinton admin. But now, of course, the Kenyan is out of control and on his jihad, even though Clinton probably though he could control him..


70 posted on 05/15/2011 10:44:56 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade
One thing in that article that jumped out at me was:

Romney, who has no skeletons and has the proven competence to handle the economic disaster headed our way, would have a chance.

Now, that was written 2/2008. Did you have any idea (other than the usual mumbo jumbo we've been hearing about for years) that a crash was coming? What made Wheeler say that?

71 posted on 05/15/2011 10:46:58 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Lots of people were doing warnings, not just Wheeler. The general direction of things was pretty clear, and I have an idea that they had a trial balloon up with Chuckie Schumer trying to engineer a run on that bank (I forget which one, but isn’t he still supposed to be under FBI investigation?)

Thing is, what sent things tumbling was a couple of very distinct transactions that stood out like sore thumbs, and without which the crash would not have taken place.


72 posted on 05/15/2011 10:54:15 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade
Indymac?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/hillary-clin-12.html?cid=108407502

This ‘financial’ crisis seems to have worked out for whomever won election 2008.

73 posted on 05/15/2011 10:59:47 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Hardraade
Hillary Clinton was working for and hoping for a Hoover economy all during the Bush presidency. And our guy lord McCain who took up residency on the Commerce committee announced to the world in a debate that he did not know about the economy....
74 posted on 05/15/2011 11:03:33 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Hardraade

For the life of me I cannot remember anything unusual at that time or hearing anything specific. I blame it on being busy and working. You seem to be very on top of what exactly went on. What transactions are you referring to?

I did a quick search and found nothing regarding the FBI investigation.


75 posted on 05/15/2011 11:09:16 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: screaminsunshine; rabscuttle385; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA
What did they do to that guy in the Hanoi Hilton?

Removed his sanity. If he had any to begin with.

76 posted on 05/15/2011 11:41:08 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Nachum

What is this man’s problem?!?!?

Guess I need to pay close attention to McCain 2012 endoresement

—I will be voting the opposite!!!


77 posted on 05/15/2011 11:50:37 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Outlaw Woman

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/28/financial-terrorism-suspected-in-08-economic-crash/?page=all#pagebreak

In the second phase, the stock market collapsed by what the report called a “bear raid” from unidentified sources on Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and other Wall Street firms.

This produced a complete collapse in credit availability and almost started a global depression,” Mr. Freeman said.

The report is surmising terrorism from outside parties, like islamists. Well, Obongo is one.

The two huge transactions are looked at in detail here on FR. Just can’t hit the proper search term...


78 posted on 05/16/2011 12:25:48 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/20/us-indymac-schumer-idUSN2045763020080820


79 posted on 05/16/2011 12:31:32 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg

The “sanity” popped, like Yaphett Kotto’s head.


80 posted on 05/16/2011 9:39:56 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Some men DO just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Nachum
OK John, you're first.

It'd be nice for President Palin to get her hands on this one.

Cheers!

81 posted on 07/21/2011 3:23:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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