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Violent and Dangerous: America's Sovereign Citizens Movement [Barf Alert]
Opposing Views ^ | 5-15-11 | Southern Poverty Law Center

Posted on 05/15/2011 5:43:17 PM PDT by Mozilla

The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex anti-government beliefs, has been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

Sovereigns are clogging up the courts with indecipherable filings and when cornered, many of them lash out in rage, frustration and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence, usually directed against government officials. In May 2010, for example, a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers with an assault rifle when they were pulled over on the interstate while traveling through West Memphis, Ark.

The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins. In the early 1980s, the sovereign citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government.

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The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. At some point in history, sovereigns believe, the American government set up by the founding fathers — with a legal system the sovereigns refer to as "common law" — was secretly replaced by a new government system based on admiralty law, the law of the sea and international commerce. Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men. Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way.

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KEYWORDS: lamestreammedia; mediabias; sovereignty
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This was just featured on 60 Minutes and one quick google search found this article by the radical Southern Poverty Law Center. The lame stream media attacking Tea Party and Patriots again.

Here is some more from CBS News:

Anti-government "guru" explains doctrine

1 posted on 05/15/2011 5:43:23 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

They portrayed ANYONE who believes in smaller government as a terrorist and cop killer.


2 posted on 05/15/2011 5:45:54 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Mozilla

The SPLC itself is extreme and bizarre.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 5:46:26 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Mozilla

“Sovereigns are clogging up the courts with indecipherable filings and when cornered, many of them lash out in rage, frustration and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence, usually directed against government officials.”

Liberals, lawyers and unions?


4 posted on 05/15/2011 5:47:02 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Mozilla

I knew it was going to be about the evil Tea Party.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 5:51:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: Mozilla

Since “the late 2000s”?

Would that be from around the year 2090?


6 posted on 05/15/2011 5:51:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Travis McGee

Your buddy Suzy probably had a hand in this.


7 posted on 05/15/2011 5:51:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Mozilla
...get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

Sounds like Charlie Wrangle, Tim Geithner, and Eric Holder could be racist, sovereign citizens.

At least we know Wrangle and Holder are racists; don't know about Geithner. He might just be a Marxist.

8 posted on 05/15/2011 5:53:06 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: seowulf

Naw, Geitner is a tax cheat ~ a thief!


9 posted on 05/15/2011 5:56:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla

Go pound sand SLPC. We’re Constitutionalists, not the Marxist jackwagons you exemplify.


10 posted on 05/15/2011 5:57:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Mozilla

[The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs’ origins.]

These people are smoking crack. I suspect most people are in it because they are over taxed.

But, going to the anti-semitic question, it is certainly true that jews gravitated to the banking business because of descrimination against them. If the banks are getting bailed out while others fail, and Goldman Sachs runs the Fed, then one might wonder how some would not put two and two together. Its the same as if you hear someone blew themselves up with a suicide vest, is it anti-Islam to suspect it was a muslim? I don’t know how you deal with reality in a politically correct world.


11 posted on 05/15/2011 5:57:42 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Mozilla

..”a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers “

That should excite the that rapper invited to the White House and his sponsors.

The neverending human toll of leftist, DNC hate: murder, rape, assault, is absolutely mind-boggling in it’s enormity.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 5:57:45 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: Mozilla
...they believe that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes

So Obama, Holder, Geithner, Kerry, Rangel, Dodd, et al are all "Sovereigns" then?

13 posted on 05/15/2011 5:59:03 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Whoz? Meca? feble?)
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To: BenLurkin

Or 2990’s.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 6:00:13 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Mozilla
...though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins.

Though the authors see nothing curious whatsoever about African-Americans voting with near-unanimity for the Party of Slavery™.

The Democrat party was the Party of Slavery™ at its founding two centuries ago, and it remains the Party of Slavery™ today.

15 posted on 05/15/2011 6:02:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Mozilla

The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) is itself a radical organization, and WAY more dangerous than the “Sovereign Citizen” movement.


16 posted on 05/15/2011 6:05:16 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Hardraade

Oh boy.
Where to even start with this bunch of Americanophobes. They will not call laraza a racist entity. They will not call the black panthers a racist entity. They will not call muslim terrorists terrorists. But WE, and by we, I mean Patriotic Americans of any color or ethnicity, are racists, bigots, homophobes, islamophobes, antisemites, (and that includes us Jews who dare to be Conservatives.)
THEY are liars and scam artists, race pimps and victim creators, traitorous conspiracists who should not have a single cent’s worth of credibility.


17 posted on 05/15/2011 6:07:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: Mozilla

“Violent and dangerous,” eh? They have no idea...


18 posted on 05/15/2011 6:18:52 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mozilla
Sovereigns Democrats believe that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

Fixed it.

19 posted on 05/15/2011 6:18:52 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Mozilla
Southern Poverty Law Center = Morris Dees = Fund-raising from white liberals.

The SPLC is the most cynical, money-driven remnant of the civil rights movement.

Morris Dees -- a second rate attorney in Montgomery, AL -- founded it to make money, raking in contributions from white liberals with a guilt complex. It worked -- making Morris Dees rich beyond his wildest imagination ($80 plus million in the bank).

The operation continues to thrive today by making up things that those same white liberals with a guilt complex want to hear -- and selling it to the networks or the government. The SPLC's biggest customer today is probably Janet Napolitano and the Dept. of Homeland Security.

These are truly despicable people.

20 posted on 05/15/2011 6:22:48 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: mkmensinger

And, as usual, their assertions about legal history are equally false and bizarre along with their historical “facts.”


21 posted on 05/15/2011 6:26:10 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Mozilla
I dunno.

Seems like the "Sovereign Citizens" I remember killing cops, firemen, school administrators, newspaper reporters, public officials and judges, are the Black Panthers, New Black Panthers, Black Muslims, communists, union bombers, and illegal aliens darker than white.

True, all those won't pay taxes, but certainly do collect 'em, and believe they only have to obey the laws that they want to, plus every one says there's a racist conspiracy used against them.

Yet the SPLC doesn't mention their murderous accomplishments. Must be the wrong color Sovereigns.

22 posted on 05/15/2011 6:27:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Mozilla

“The lame stream media attacking Tea Party and Patriots again.”

And did anyone expect anything else?


23 posted on 05/15/2011 6:32:34 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Mozilla
Geez. Sounds a lot like the Liberals lately. They don't like a law that a vast majority of voters approved — then get a judge to overrule.

And Libs at the Fed level only enforce the laws that they are for and ignore the laws that they don't agree with... and then claim Supremacy Clause when a State tries to enforce a law that the Liberal Feds selectively ignore.

24 posted on 05/15/2011 6:34:12 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Noumenon

Since you mentioned ““Violent and dangerous,” eh? They have no idea...”, I’d like to remind all that the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, and other whackos of color have killed far more people than the “Sovereign Citizens” ever will.

At a friends request, I turned on 60 Minutes. That hit piece on the “Sovereign Citizen Movement” was just the Libroid trash I predicted.

Time to collect the colada I bet him it would be.

There is a purpose on Earth for Libroids after all - free coladas!


25 posted on 05/15/2011 6:39:17 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Noumenon

Since you mentioned ““Violent and dangerous,” eh? They have no idea...”, I’d like to remind all that the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, and other whackos of color have killed far more people than the “Sovereign Citizens” ever will.

At a friends request, I turned on 60 Minutes. That hit piece on the “Sovereign Citizen Movement” was just the Libroid trash I predicted.

Time to collect the colada I bet him it would be.

There is a purpose on Earth for Libroids after all - free coladas!


26 posted on 05/15/2011 6:39:34 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
,P> [i]“The lame stream media attacking Tea Party and Patriots again.”[/i]

And did anyone expect anything else?

I didn't expect anything else, but I was amazed how far they have gone with it. They now claim all those supporting sovereignty are now in some secret group that is armed and dangerous. They are going to great lengths to attack us. The 60 minutes piece said we are no different than Jared Loughner.

Seems to me it is the left and the lame stream media that is going loony and wants to attack all those who oppose them. Now the SPLC has conspiracy theories abound about the Sovereign movement.

27 posted on 05/15/2011 6:54:09 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: mkmensinger

“The SPLC itself is extreme and bizarre.”

They are ‘advising’ Homeland Security and our police departments.


28 posted on 05/15/2011 6:55:23 PM PDT by dljordan ("The Land of the Fee and the Home of the Slave")
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To: Mozilla

If ANYONE in govt is ignoring the law... then we ALL should ignore the law as well

This is why those in govt are supposed to FOLLOW the law


29 posted on 05/15/2011 6:55:42 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Mozilla

“Sovereigns believe that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don’t think they should have to pay taxes.”

Oh, why didn’t they just say “Liberals”?


30 posted on 05/15/2011 6:56:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: Mozilla
Judges, law enforcement, Banksters and elected officials believe that they - not the tax-paying peasants — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

Fixed it for ya...

31 posted on 05/15/2011 7:04:05 PM PDT by kiryandil
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To: Mozilla
Morris Dees, co-founder of SPLC, is a low-life POS and should be in jail.

Morris Dees

32 posted on 05/15/2011 7:05:24 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mozilla

The SPLC and, yes, the ADL are extreme leftwing fascist outlets and what will be used by the left to waage war on America. Haven’t listed ADL as a hate group yet, but we’re clearly getting there.

There’s another worrying development too - SITEintel, who has for years been steadfast trackers of jihad, has opened a track on “white supremacists”. It’s been necessary for years, along with the need to track it all. But knowing that Katz does heavy work for the govt, I worry that she’s tacking left and Obamoid and that the whole gig was really about money. That would be very bad.


33 posted on 05/15/2011 7:14:35 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: DuncanWaring

You talkin’ to me?


34 posted on 05/15/2011 7:14:52 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Mozilla

To be frank, although the SPLC is a certifiable, paranoid nut house, this does not look like it’s talking about anything that goes on among Freepers. Though they’d love to tar conventional conservatives by association, not even they can do it. What this panicky news release is referring to would be a virtually anarchist movement, both unconstitutional and unbiblical. It’s apparently also very, very small.


35 posted on 05/15/2011 7:24:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I read the article an didn’t see any mention of the Tea Party or conservatives. Did I miss something?


36 posted on 05/15/2011 7:40:30 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I too am confused.

I read the comments and then the article.

The comments don’t seem to refer to this article at all, except those which justifiably criticize the SPLC.

The sovereignty movement is indeed bizarre and has nothing to do with real American conservatism. The only thing they have in common is that both are unhappy with present trends in our society.


37 posted on 05/15/2011 8:02:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I too am confused.

I read the comments and then the article.

The comments don’t seem to refer to this article at all, except those which justifiably criticize the SPLC.

The sovereignty movement is indeed bizarre and has nothing to do with real American conservatism. The only thing they have in common is that both are unhappy with present trends in our society.


38 posted on 05/15/2011 8:03:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Mozilla

The dishonesty of this article is breath taking.


39 posted on 05/15/2011 8:06:00 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Mozilla

The Tea Party smear, that’s to be expected. That type of things only has sway with wacko libs anyway.

This Sovereign Citizens Movement brings a new name but similar groups have always been around, this type of movement is nothing new.

There were some in Texas when I grew up there. After a while, we just called them, “Guys who are going to jail.”


40 posted on 05/15/2011 8:14:27 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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To: Mozilla

“Now the SPLC has conspiracy theories abound about the Sovereign movement.”

Of course they do. Poor, ickle, commies are feeling anxious. The Immaculated One was to usher in an era of commie sweetness & light.

Didn’t happen.

Can’t happen, either.


41 posted on 05/15/2011 9:55:59 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: seowulf

Bttt


42 posted on 05/15/2011 10:09:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamanomics: Introducing the new "Fun Size" American Dollar.)
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To: Mozilla

Bookmark


43 posted on 05/15/2011 10:41:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: wolficatZ

We have a group of four ‘sovereigns’ up here who have been arrested and are waiting trial for a murder plot directed against state troopers and two judges.


44 posted on 05/15/2011 11:38:40 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: Mozilla

Southern Poverty Law Center

Nuff said.


45 posted on 05/16/2011 1:24:06 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (e)
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To: Sherman Logan

Exactly so.


46 posted on 05/16/2011 4:20:31 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Mozilla
The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism

Isn't everything?
47 posted on 05/16/2011 4:22:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SuzyQue

Nope - Susy Buchanan, author of the article referenced here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1867519/posts


48 posted on 05/16/2011 4:23:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yeah, poor attempt at a joke on my part.


49 posted on 05/16/2011 5:17:35 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

A “poor attempt” is better than no attempt at all. ;-)


50 posted on 05/16/2011 5:30:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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