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Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate
Newsmax ^ | May 15, 2011 | Newsmax Wires

Posted on 05/15/2011 6:07:07 PM PDT by libstripper

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To: Scotsman will be Free

I will ask him. He better get a handle on this socialism or he has no chance at all.


101 posted on 05/15/2011 7:23:00 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: libstripper

Amazing - HOW TOTALLY TONE DEAF can one man be... Shoot yourself in the foot there Newt? Good God Almighty - Stupid is as Stupid does...


102 posted on 05/15/2011 7:23:42 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: Pox

I could care less about the inner-working of your brain. I want Gingrich on the campaign trail and I want to see a debate.


103 posted on 05/15/2011 7:25:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Pox
don’t want this jackass anywhere near any “debate”.

no one......no one can defeat Gingrich in a debate....not even close. You may not like him, but he is the most gifted debater that I have ever seen!!!

104 posted on 05/15/2011 7:26:46 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: fightinJAG

democrat voters, maybe. Dang sure not us.


105 posted on 05/15/2011 7:27:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: eyedigress
And I could give a rats ass about your desire to see another freedom squashing RINO wanting his turn to continue the destruction of our country.

YOU are part of THE problem.

106 posted on 05/15/2011 7:28:00 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Newt dead in the water from the start...early stage dementia?


107 posted on 05/15/2011 7:29:02 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: terycarl

I don’t give a sh!t about his debating skills, he is not the answer to turning this country around, and anyone who supports that POS is part of THE problem, IMO.


108 posted on 05/15/2011 7:29:31 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: ICCtheWay
HOW TOTALLY TONE DEAF can one man be?

Dede Scozzafava?

-PJ

109 posted on 05/15/2011 7:31:11 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Pox

You are way inside of the box and my time is short. Think for just a minute what the experience could provide for the other candidates. It isn’t that hard.


110 posted on 05/15/2011 7:32:10 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: libstripper

instead of a contract with america he wants to put a contract out on america. or sumfin. well bye bye gingrich it was nice knowin’ ya, don’t let the door hit your rear on the way out.


111 posted on 05/15/2011 7:32:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: eyedigress

There is absolutely no need to see Newt Gingrich in any debates.

He will not win the republican nomination.

He will simply siphon off votes from a true conservative candidate.

He doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.


112 posted on 05/15/2011 7:33:13 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Pox

In the race already, or waiting in the wings?


113 posted on 05/15/2011 7:33:24 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: Pox
don’t give a sh!t about his debating skills

get seriour for a change...debate skills are critical in a presidential campaign....vote for who you like, but first defeat the democrats with a comparison of ideas.Newt is the best there is....let him debate them, cause some doubt in their voters, and nominate whom everyou choose.....never give up a weapon as effective as Newt.

114 posted on 05/15/2011 7:35:29 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Pox

Oh, and quit talking about my desires unless you can take out 20 pine trees behind my house.


115 posted on 05/15/2011 7:35:53 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
Again, YOU are part of THE problem, IMO.

Who cares WHAT the “experience” will be for “other” candidates?

Having him as part of the “debates” detracts from more valuable input to be derived from having useful (i.e. CONSERVATIVE) candidates putting their ideas out to the voters while depriving the MSM their opportunity to push yet another RINO upon us.

Take the RINO’s out of the process right now. That is what we need, IMO. Draft viable conservatives if necessary, but do NOT let another RINO be forced upon us.

116 posted on 05/15/2011 7:36:34 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: bluedressman

If Newt backs an individual mandate, but not Obamacare as a whole, then that’s bad enough. The ridiculously non-conservative concept is a central pillar of Obamacare...


117 posted on 05/15/2011 7:37:42 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: MestaMachine

Either. Also, anyone viable that could be “drafted”.


118 posted on 05/15/2011 7:37:56 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: xzins

“He will simply siphon off votes from a true conservative candidate.”

From just what I have seen today, THAT seems to be his ONLY reason for running. He savaged Paul Ryan this morning.


119 posted on 05/15/2011 7:38:22 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: xzins

To be honest, I want them all on the table. The Goal is set.


120 posted on 05/15/2011 7:38:47 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: terycarl
debate skills are critical in a presidential campaign

Bush sucked at debating. People don't vote for successful debaters.

121 posted on 05/15/2011 7:38:57 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: terycarl
I am serious. I do NOT want RINO’s in the process, period, but as usual, it's already too late for that.

If Gingrich is useful as a master debater, fine, let him be a debating coach for a conservative. Having him in the debates only allows the MSM to push him as being the best chance the Republicans have, and that is unacceptable, IMO.

122 posted on 05/15/2011 7:41:00 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Well, thro a few out there HR. I am on record as to who I support but you just ain’t that Savvy. :^)


123 posted on 05/15/2011 7:42:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: MestaMachine

Gingrich has some ulterior motive for running. He is smart enough to know he doesn’t have a chance to win.

He also has someone(s) funding him in his hugely expensive endeavor.


124 posted on 05/15/2011 7:42:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Artemis Webb; unkus; Clintonfatigued

figNewton just consummated himself politically...for the final time.

Looks like the field is getting cleared, that’s for sure.
Milt,
Hucks,
figNewton - all DOA or not running.


125 posted on 05/15/2011 7:43:00 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Some men DO just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: xzins

Who is funding him? Source?


126 posted on 05/15/2011 7:43:31 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: eyedigress
I've posted it previously. I'm simply waiting to see if you know what a conservative really is, and once you can name the three conservatives who have expressed interest in running, THEN you can start your spiel about how they are not electable and that we must rally behind whoever wins since the only thing that matters is getting Obama out even if it means voting for a RINO.
127 posted on 05/15/2011 7:44:56 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: bluedressman
I’m not supporting Newt, but let’s not distort what he said. He isn’t exactly backing obamacare. Not even close.

With the polls showing 57% or more opposed to Obamacare, no GOP candidate can expect to play around the edges of this issue and survive. Obama is, after all, already working that side of the street. Oh, the party elites want that revenue stream just as badly as the Democrats do, but it's pure poison in the primary elections. As it should be.

128 posted on 05/15/2011 7:46:18 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Pox

You are having fun eh? Newt Gingrich is a serious debater. I will support him in this endeavor. That’s all.


129 posted on 05/15/2011 7:48:49 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
Newt does not support Obamacare. I need proof on that.

I didn't say that he did. I said he supported "the individual mandate of Obamacare" -- which is the very issue being discussed on this thread.

But, if one supports the individual mandate, do they not support the very premise that we contend makes Obamacare unconstitutional?

130 posted on 05/15/2011 7:49:56 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: magritte

Except for individually wealthy candidates such a Romney or Trump, there is always someone(s) funding any candidate. A primary campaign costs millions upon millions of dollars.

It’s good to know who any candidate’s major donors are.


131 posted on 05/15/2011 7:50:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: eyedigress

Gingrich is a loser and a waste of sperm.


132 posted on 05/15/2011 7:50:47 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I have liked Newt in the past ... but the total nonsense Newt has spoken today about Ryan’s work and about obamacare is beyond nuttiness ... Newt has just committed political suicide ... I would not now vote for Gingrich if someone PAID ME GOOD MONEY...


133 posted on 05/15/2011 7:51:37 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: libstripper

Wikipedia Hillarycare, Newt, Herman Cain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

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In 2004, as a U.S. senator from New York, Hillary Clinton argued in The New York Times that the current health care system is unsustainable, and she offered several solutions Her article also mentioned areas of agreement with one-time opponent Newt Gingrich, and likewise Gingrich has expressed agreement with Senator Clinton on some aspects of health care, including a bill to modernize medical record keeping.

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One key turning point against the Clinton plan was a televised town hall meeting in April 1994. During the event, President Clinton was challenged by businessman Herman Cain on the resulting effects on small businesses.[19]

<>

How Herman Cain Killed Hillarycare

Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:39 PM | By David Weigel
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/13/how-herman-cain-killed-hillarycare.aspx

bttt


134 posted on 05/15/2011 7:51:51 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: xzins

We shall see at the end of July...


135 posted on 05/15/2011 7:52:26 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Pox

I guess he should have been aborted.... Right?


136 posted on 05/15/2011 7:52:38 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Bush sucked at debating. People don't vote for successful debaters.

granted, but they do vote for the debaters ideas. Even people so incompetant as to be Democrats can understand a good arguement. That having been said, even I, with limited debating skills, have (I think) converted three very liberal people that I know to consider voting for whoever runs against Obama........come to think of it, how hard can that be....oh well.

137 posted on 05/15/2011 7:52:57 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: eyedigress

If I advocated that position I suppose you’d probably vote for me, eh?


138 posted on 05/15/2011 7:53:32 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Concur. There have many, many, many, other times in Newt’s public appearances where he has walked the fence, sacrificing conservative principles, thinking he could win political percentage points, but never providing a political voice enumerating the perspectives of those he sought to represent.

What we have identified as “RINO” is too frequently a public personality/celebrity, who believes they can simply report a somewhat counter-liberal commentary and be associated with conservatism and politics.

The degeneration of American virtue is too far along to condone this type of mediocrity in conservative leadership.

Politics is more than simply expressing some popular thoughts. There is a process of identifying and communicating amongst multiple parties with similar base values and virtues, their common perspectives, especially to adversarial opponents lacking any virtue in worldly power structures.

Newt too often has rolled into the same mediocre level od popular politics, which appeals to the criminal and corrupt, as well as the conservative.

At this stage of the game, I would recommend he not only back out, but change his attitude back to virtue and provide guidance to those less scarred in the public eye.

If he runs now for public office, he simply becomes a detractor, encouraging a split between Tea Party candidates and Republicans, affording Obama the same advantage Perot gave Clinton nearly 2 decades ago.


139 posted on 05/15/2011 7:54:02 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Pox

What position is that?


140 posted on 05/15/2011 7:55:43 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The debates themselves are a farce.

The candidates need real time to state their positions in one minute.

141 posted on 05/15/2011 7:55:59 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: magritte

see here for politico’s take on Gingrich’s major donors:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6D328DB6-AA91-8ACE-64BB3E26D69BEAF9


142 posted on 05/15/2011 7:56:31 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Williams
IF there is a defense of this, is he saying everyone should have to pay for THEIR OWN health care? And that you have to either have insurance or promise to pay something for care?

You tell me.

What he reportedly said:

Appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Gingrich told host David Gregory that he continues to advocate for a plan he first called for in the early 1990s as a Congressman, which requires every uninsured citizen to purchase or acquire health insurance.

"Requires"..."every citizen"..."to purchase or acquire".

Sounds like an individual mandate to me -- i.e., government coercion.

Odd thing is, I don't recall his championing such a mandate at the time. But, now, he claims tht he did -- and I assume he's not lying.

143 posted on 05/15/2011 7:57:05 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Pox

C’mon genius boy child.


144 posted on 05/15/2011 7:59:34 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Cvengr
Unfortunately, Newt and the other RINO’s are in it for themselves and they no longer truly care about the welfare of the citizens of this country, IMO.

The overwhelming majority of the “political class” needs to be put out to pasture, IMO.

I don't see this country turning around for the better without a total collapse and a rebuild from the ground up, and although I don't see that happening anytime soon, I am having a hard time seeing another viable solution, but I sincerely hope I'm wrong with that sentiment.

145 posted on 05/15/2011 8:00:05 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: eyedigress

Put down the crack pipe son!


146 posted on 05/15/2011 8:01:38 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: okie01

Gingrich has long felt that each individual should be responsible for paying for their own healthcare. Some statistics indicate 1/3 of the uninsured live in household with incomes over %75000...he believes everyone should pay on a sliding scale with vouchers going to lower income types...that’s part of his solution...


147 posted on 05/15/2011 8:03:37 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Pox

I finally did. Whew, it’s hard to come down from a high like that. Give me a minute


148 posted on 05/15/2011 8:03:44 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: bluedressman

If the individual mandate is struck down by the Supreme Court doesn’t that say Newt is off the rails


149 posted on 05/15/2011 8:03:49 PM PDT by woofie
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To: bluedressman

If the individual mandate is struck down by the Supreme Court doesn’t that say Newt is off the rails


150 posted on 05/15/2011 8:04:03 PM PDT by woofie
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