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Giuliani could be 'talked into' running in 2012 (BARF ALERT)
CNN - Political Ticker ^ | 2011-05-06 | Rebecca Stewart

Posted on 05/15/2011 10:37:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Washington (CNN)-Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani admitted Friday that he can "probably be talked into" a run for the presidency.

While speaking to a group from the Republican National Lawyers Association at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., Giuliani asserted that his major goal is for a Republican to be elected as president in 2012.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; giuliani; julieannie; rino
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1 posted on 05/15/2011 10:37:24 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

FURG!!


2 posted on 05/15/2011 10:42:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Can’t he run for office in New York. He is more likely to have their beliefs than the nation.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 10:50:34 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385

Go aqway Rudy! And take the Newt with you.


4 posted on 05/15/2011 10:51:37 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Giuliani asserted that his major goal is for a Republican to be elected as president in 2012.

The word is CONSERVATIVE, not Republican.

Sheeesh.

5 posted on 05/15/2011 10:52:51 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: FReepers
FReepathon Day 46 - CLICK!


6 posted on 05/15/2011 10:54:30 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: rabscuttle385

We really need to flip the party on its head by going with the unconventional Conservative. There is one definite candidate and another hopeful.

The GOP is too damn knotted with its routines and allegiances.


7 posted on 05/15/2011 10:57:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: hoosierham

Dittos to that ‘ham! Throw in that idiot Rommney also. But then again.....if rooty toot does not run, we will all ‘miss out’ as that RINO north eastern elite suck up snob, Sean Hannity, would again ‘lewinski’ rooty nightly. Sorry.


8 posted on 05/15/2011 11:02:35 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: onyx

I live in NYC. If he were half as good a president as he was a mayor, we’d be in great shape.


9 posted on 05/15/2011 11:04:15 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Jim Robinson

FUNG AND FURG the ONO twins.


10 posted on 05/15/2011 11:12:15 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: rabscuttle385

It might help to have a Catholic since that vote went majority for Obama last round.


11 posted on 05/15/2011 11:15:25 PM PDT by byteback
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To: rabscuttle385

Give me Dole or bust!


12 posted on 05/15/2011 11:20:19 PM PDT by prolusion
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To: rabscuttle385

Other than be Mayor at a time of crisis... What did he DO?

Guiliani had cheated on his wife. Leaving office in disgrace. Put the NY crisis center near the Towers. He ran around trying to “coordinate” endangering himself and his staff. (They got temporarily trapped in one building.)

Then ... He’s a hero. He’s charging a fortune for speeches and running for President.

Did any one person benefit more politically from 9/11 than Rudy?


13 posted on 05/15/2011 11:24:54 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Cain Rudy Two guys who do have huevos

Rudy did go after mob in NY Do not agree socially but he is a person who put it on the line


14 posted on 05/15/2011 11:36:23 PM PDT by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: kabumpo

NO PRO abortion, gay rights, open borders, OR gun-grabbers!

Let him run for Mayor again, or NY governor.


15 posted on 05/15/2011 11:40:00 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: rabscuttle385
If the people in NYC love and elect you..
There must be something seriously WRONG with you..
16 posted on 05/15/2011 11:48:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: rabscuttle385

Please save us Rudy.......really!


17 posted on 05/16/2011 12:35:03 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: rabscuttle385
Some guys will run just so they can bank a few million.

There is nothing you can do about it.

18 posted on 05/16/2011 12:41:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: rabscuttle385

That image just about sums it up. Thanks (for what I don’t know) but no thanks, Rudy!


19 posted on 05/16/2011 1:00:14 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: hoosierham

how did that work last time? NOT TO GOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!


20 posted on 05/16/2011 2:00:53 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: hoosierham

Exactly


21 posted on 05/16/2011 2:16:00 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: hosepipe; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51; calcowgirl; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; ...
If NYC loved and elected Giuliani, there must be something seriously WRONG with him.

Heh----great summation----and all in one sentence. Love it.

Watching Giuliani navigate the political process is like watching a horror film festival---Rooty's had more sequels than Bela Lugosi. No matter how many stakes are driven into Rooty's presidential aspirations, the Rudester comes back from the dead, climbs out of his coffin with the same evil smirk, to wreak havoc on our political process again and again. Rooty's got the resilience of Count Dracula and the rap sheet of a calculating conman......not exactly star material for the White House.

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PROFITING FROM 9/11 Ever the opportunist, Giuliani engaged in some aspect of " security", an industry, that boomed as a direct result of 9/11. Giuliani Partners capitalized on his 9/11 experiences by specializing in security technologies.

But is he even still working at Giuliani Partners? In 2008 Giuliani’s office was mostly empty as he canvassed the country for money and votes in his presidential bid.

It’s a relevant question, because according to a former top FEC official, drawing a salary from the firm would be a breach of election law: the firm would in effect be making undeclared campaign contributions.

To anyone who has followed Giuliani’s meteoric rise in business, his dodges are not surprising. There are, it seems, at least two Rudolph Giulianis. One is the crusading former U.S. attorney and 9/11-bedecked ex-mayor of New York, cloaked in the six core values prominently featured on Giuliani Partners’ Web site: Integrity. Optimism. Courage. Preparedness. Communication. Accountability.

The other Rudy Giuliani is the one who brazenly built a business on his 9/11 fame. Some of his clients have been large, established companies, such as Aon, the global risk-management firm that lost 175 people in the World Trade Center attack; Entergy, which operates nuclear power plants; and Delta Airlines and U.S. Airways. But a number have been scrappy little penny-stock start-ups, one of them backed by an S.E.C.-disciplined stock swindler.

These are the players who have needed Giuliani most, to promote them, to open doors for them in government or business, or merely to lend them his name, at a very high price, so they can boost their stock or get bought by bigger fish.

In doing business with these companies, Giuliani has sometimes created at least an appearance of poor judgment, or greed, or both. But if the crusading ex–U.S. attorney understands the importance of appearances, the other Rudy Giuliani seems oblivious to them.

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RUDY AND ILLEGALS Are you ready for Mex-America? An America run by illegal aliens? Are you ready for our Social Security system to be shipped South of the Border to Mexico?

Rudy Giuliani, wants to dramatically change America, and how the business of America is conducted. Mayor Giuliani's approach to illegal immigration champions amnesty for massive hordes of illegal aliens, and gives illegals access to limitless tax-paid benefits.

In various interviews, Giuliani cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to provide illegal immigrants with access to city services like public education, free health care, welfare, and housing subsidies.

Under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary. Giuliani actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS. Congress had enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS.

But Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the federal government in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. Giuliani would not give up.

In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law. Giuliani would give Mexico veto power over US immigration policy, and would ignore the US Constitution.

22 posted on 05/16/2011 3:47:04 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: All
10/07/07
Steve Greenhut, OC Register
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/party-giuliani-republican-1881369-clinton-gop

The GOP presidential front-runner is Giuliani (as of 2007) , perhaps the only politician on the national scene more ruthless, unprincipled and power-mad than Clinton.

Remember when Giuliani tried to have the New York Legislature declare martial law after 9/11 so that he could stay in power indefinitely?

There’s a reason for the Mussolini comparisons.

What the media call Giuliani’s “unconventional” personal life certainly contradicts the party’s support for family values. He had his marriage to his first wife annulled after 14 years after he claimed to discover that they were actually second cousins rather than third cousins.

As the Washington Monthly reported, “Giuliani informed his second wife, Donna Hanover, of his intention to seek a separation in a 2000 press conference. The announcement was precipitated by a tabloid frenzy after Giuliani marched with his then-mistress, Judith Nathan, in New York’s St. Patrick’s Day parade, an acknowledgement of infidelity so audacious that Daily News columnist Jim Dwyer compared it with ‘groping in the window at Macy’s.’”

The worst thing about Rudy: his love of government power. He showed it as a prosecutor, as he hauled supposed white-collar wrongdoers out of their Wall Street offices in handcuffs in front of the TV cameras, and as mayor as he defended even the most egregious abuses of police power, used his power to crack down on trivial offenses (jumping subway turnstiles, jaywalking, loitering).

Giuliani constantly exploits 9/11 and his role in it and has earned tens of millions of dollars giving speeches about that fateful day.

This Giuliani quotation, from a 1994 speech, sums up his philosophy: “Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.”

23 posted on 05/16/2011 3:55:17 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz
This Giuliani quotation, from a 1994 speech, sums up his philosophy: “Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.”

How Orwellian. Fascism is Freedom.

24 posted on 05/16/2011 3:58:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: kabumpo
I live in NYC. If he were half as good a president as he was a mayor, we’d be in great shape.

Yeah, if you like zero personal freedoms and a fascist, overpowering State.

25 posted on 05/16/2011 4:00:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Lazamataz
How Orwellian. to Giuliani Fascism is Freedom.

Nice how Roody's words come back to bite him in the arse.

26 posted on 05/16/2011 4:13:51 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Some guys will run just so they can bank a few million.

Ala Chris Dodd.

27 posted on 05/16/2011 4:14:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: kabumpo

I don’t understand the Rudy hate from our side. He’d be no-nonsense, don’t you think ? Gay marriage is the only issue I recall that would be at odds, but a conservative house and senate neuters that issue. Maybe I haven’t been paying close enough attention to Rudy’s policies. Hannity wouldn’t support him if he wasn’t conservative.


28 posted on 05/16/2011 4:15:03 AM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: chiller
I don’t understand the Rudy hate from our side. He’d be no-nonsense, don’t you think ? Gay marriage is the only issue I recall that would be at odds, but a conservative house and senate neuters that issue.

Gun control. His opinion about what freedom is. Excessive desire for State.

29 posted on 05/16/2011 4:17:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: chiller; Liz
Gay marriage is the only issue I recall that would be at odds

Read Liz's posts above.

30 posted on 05/16/2011 4:18:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Liz
I'm not defending Giuliani, nor would I support nominating him. And I'm not up to speed on the revisionist history of his tenure. But if you ask New Yorkers - the people who elected him, how they feel, he'd probably get a lot more yeas than nays. The writer's Mussolini comparisons are a little over the top.

Giulinain succeeded David Dinkins as NYC mayor. Dinkins was a lousy mayor. Giuliani is credited with cleaning up the city, at least on his watch. And he did. It was a different city. Prior to being mayor, he was a federal prosecutor, most notably going after the mob in the 1980's.

31 posted on 05/16/2011 4:25:04 AM PDT by floozy22 (The left has an irrational devotion to protecting evil.)
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To: napscoordinator

Can’t he run for office in New York. He is more likely to have their beliefs than the nation.

one word “NO”

he could have and did not run for Senator or Governor. The reason being his Bernie Kerik baggage...and this is why he will not run for President.


32 posted on 05/16/2011 4:29:12 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Graybeard58
ROOTY’S TWIN TOWERS FOUNDATION SCAM In February, 2002, Giuliani insisted upon transferring guardianship of the $100 million remaining in the city-run Twin Towers Fund to a private charity he controlled.

The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers).

The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000.

Under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families Giuliani backed down. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002. That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.

ROOTY/JOOTY‘S TAX-EXEMPT ACTIVITIES Rooty appointed his then-mistress, Judith Nathan to the "Twin Towers Fund" Board of Directors, Rudy's special little "tax-exempt charity." Rooty referred to Jooty as a "philanthropist." Nathan supposedly had worked as managing director of Changing Our World, a national fund raising and philanthropic services company headquartered in New York.

33 posted on 05/16/2011 4:29:15 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: All
EXCERPT City Said to Have Paid Bills as Giuliani Affair Began
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM, NY TIMES Published: November 29, 2007

Late in his tenure as mayor of New York, Rudolph W. Giuliani billed tens of thousands of dollars in travel expenses to little-known city agencies as he was beginning an extramarital affair. The report, on the Politico Web site, cited documents obtained under the New York State Freedom of Information Law. But it was unclear from those documents whether Mr. Giuliani allocated those travel costs, from 1999 through 2001, to obscure city offices in an attempt to conceal expenses associated with the relationship or for some accounting purpose.

The administration of Mr. Giuliani’s successor, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, said in 2002 (several months after taking office), that the Giuliani administration had kept the budget for the mayor’s office artificially low by paying more than $5 million in salaries through other city agencies.

The agencies to which Mr. Giuliani billed the travel expenses were outside the mayor’s office. The New York mayor always travels with a security detail, and the expenses for the police detectives assigned to protect him are normally paid for by the Police Department when he travels on city business. Asked about the travel expenses during the Republican presidential candidates’ debate, Mr. Giuliani denied any wrongdoing. “I have nothing to do with the handling of their records,” he said. As far as he knew, he said, the records were handled appropriately.

SOURCE http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/nyregion/29campaign.html?fta=y

34 posted on 05/16/2011 4:30:56 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Vaquero

Well one good part of your post is that he will not run for President and that is good. I was just saying run for NY seat to get him out of the running for President. I don’t really want him doing either.


35 posted on 05/16/2011 4:31:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Liz
We have a Live One at #9 whose Pro Rudy.
(Another one of those 2008 sign-ups.)
36 posted on 05/16/2011 4:31:25 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: kabumpo
*** I live in NYC. If he were half as good a president as he was a mayor, we’d be in great shape. ***

Keep posting that nonsense.
Pretty soon you'll be getting a visit from the Viking Kitties.

37 posted on 05/16/2011 4:34:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: floozy22
You are correct

I LIKE Rudy...he was the best thing for NYC that came along in around 50 years....

....but he is NOT, repeat NOT presidential timber. His methods are fascist and anti-individual. NYC at the time, I suppose, needed a fascist....and seeing as how the dims had made NYC a cross between Marxism and Fascism already, it was no great shakes to have him clean the city in his own inimitable style.

He is not right for America....period. Let him run for either Putzhead Schumer's or Shrillarie's(now gillibrand's) seat in the Senate...he can only improve the senate in comparison to those two pear-shaped losers.....

I will not vote for Rudy for president ...period...and I will do what I can against him if he attempts to run.

38 posted on 05/16/2011 4:35:50 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: kabumpo

I understand where you are coming from...but you are wrong...please read # 38


39 posted on 05/16/2011 4:37:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; ...

There is no doubt that Giuliani was a great mayor, but it’s hard to imagine the grass roots rallying around him. He had a much better shot in 2008 and it didn’t happen.


40 posted on 05/16/2011 5:03:50 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: rabscuttle385
Being the head of the Rudy 2008 FR caucus was much too stressful.

Not sure I'm available for 2012.

41 posted on 05/16/2011 5:06:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Vaquero

Giuliani should change parties. He’d be more believable as a Democrat.


42 posted on 05/16/2011 5:06:42 AM PDT by floozy22 (No USEN polling for me. I have an aversion to financially supporting liberals.)
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To: Vaquero

I haven’t seen anyone on here whose opinion of Rudy is so similar to mine. I’ve said for years that he’s my favorite quasi-fascist in America. The fact is, the NYC of the early 90s had become so uncivilized, it needed a dictator-lite guy with some pro market leanings. That being said, I could never support him in a Republican primary and I’d have to hold my nose for him in a general.


43 posted on 05/16/2011 5:26:14 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: Condor51
We have a Live One at #9 who is Pro Rudy.

Countdown to removal of posting privileges........

44 posted on 05/16/2011 5:37:59 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: kabumpo

45 posted on 05/16/2011 5:41:05 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Liz
*** Countdown to removal of posting privileges....... ***

Yep. If Rudy keeps floating this 'running stuff' up. He'll out a lot of the 2008 and later, 'moderates', who signed up.

Then we'll have another HUGH Bug Zapper thread. The last one in '07-'08 was a thing of beauty. Zots by the dozens :-)

46 posted on 05/16/2011 5:53:41 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: All
May 15, 2007
Rudy Giuliani tied to Mexican 'superhighways' (business interests trump US security interests)
BY JEROME CORSI---World Net Daily
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55695

Questions are being raised over Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani's policy on terrorism, after a report revealed he has strong ties to two foreign investment consortia working to own or lease U.S. toll roads, including the Mexican--Trans-Texas Corridor 35, which is identified as part of the I-35 "NAFTA Superhighway." --SNIP--

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March 1, 2007
REFERENCE Bracewell & Giuliani Firm Advises Spain's Cintra in First Privatization of Toll Road in Texas

DALLAS Bracewell & Giuliani LLP advised Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a Spanish transportation company, in its successful bid to develop State Highway 121 into a toll road through Collin and Denton counties.

The award to Cintra, approved by the Texas Transportation Commission, is the first privatization of a Texas toll road. Bracewell is acting as project counsel to Cintra with respect to the 50-year concession from the Texas Department of Transportation. Cintra will pay a $2.1 billion upfront and annual lease payments totaling $700 million. "Cintra was awarded this project because of its proven expertise and competitive proposal," said Thomas O. Moore, partner with Bracewell & Giuliani. "This is the largest transportation deal of 2007. This is one of only five deals in the country."

Three firms have competed for the Comprehensive Development Agreement for State Highway 121 since last summer. The proposals were reviewed and scored based on selection criteria set forth by the Regional Transportation Council, the metropolitan planning agency for the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

This CDA is a public-private partnership that allows the provider to handle all facets of developing the toll road, including completing construction and operating and maintaining the corridor.

Cintra, a subsidiary of Grupo Ferrovial specialized in toll roads and car parks, is one of the world's leading private-sector developers of transport infrastructure.

FR POSTED http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1803916/posts

47 posted on 05/16/2011 6:03:23 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; rabscuttle385; La Lydia; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51
May 1, 2007
Latin Rudy Not so hot in May.
By Jim Geraghty, National Review

It was by no means a bad appearance for Rudy Giuliani at the Latino Coalition. But one got the feeling that his applause lines were a little out of sync with his audience’s passions. Latino Coalition Chairman Hector Barreto — President Bush’s appointed head of the Small Business Administration from 2001 until last year — gave an introduction so effusively enthusiastic that Giuliani ought to take him on the road with him for his stump speeches.

Barreto noted that the group had invited every major candidate, “Republican, Democrat, Green, red or blue” and that only Giuliani had accepted; and he mentioned that the former New York City mayor had rearranged his schedule in order to appear. He was, Barreto said, supposed to be in California preparing for a debate at the Reagan library later this week.

Describing Giuliani’s accomplishments as mayor, he summarized, “Rudy [pause] did [pause] miracles.” So maybe it would be tough to live up to the hype, as Rudy was greeted with a standing ovation from the 250 or so Latino Coalition members in the ballroom of the Four Seasons in Washington.

“Dignity” is not a word commonly heard on the campaign trail, but speaking before a group that included a healthy amount of small business owners and entrepreneurs, Giuliani more or less portrayed it as the centerpiece of his campaign. “I reformed welfare not because I didn’t care about people, but because I did,” he said. “If your brother or sister were out of a job, what would you do for them? Would you try to make them dependent on you for the rest of their life? Of course not. You would want to help them get a job, so they can maintain their dignity, their self-respect, their ability to take care of their families.”

Thus the social reforms of Giuliani the mayor would continue, he suggested, under Giuliani the president: using government to nudge people from the easy, if unfulfilling, dependence that comes from relying on government assistance and services, to the self-respect and independence that comes from working. The theme was a distant cousin of John Edwards’s complaint that the country has come to value wealth over work: The North Carolina populist looks at the working class and laments that their labors were under-rewarded compared to hedge-fund managers; Giuliani looks at the working class and sees them as the role model for the young and those still languishing on some form of assistance.

“Dignity” came up again in his discussion of immigration, where Giuliani suggested his measuring stick for whether he wanted to eject someone here illegally was whether or not they were working hard, willing to pay taxes and back fines and fees, and whether they were supporting their families. He described his exasperation with the immigration authorities as mayor: “I had the police go after drug dealers, and I told the immigration authorities, ‘I got a couple hundred drug dealers you can deport, why don’t you put ’em first?’ And they said, ‘Well, we have this professor who overstayed his visa, he’s first on line. We have two people working in the back of a restaurant. We have three guys in the construction business. We have a guy who drives a van.’

Now you can debate whether these guys are good for the economy — I think they are, but you can have a nice debate about it — but I said, ‘Hey, I got drug dealers, pal. They’re not good for anybody! They’ve got no interest in paying taxes, not trying to make better life for their family, they’re trying to kill people!’ They said, ‘We have our priorities.’ Basically, the problem was too big.”

Rudy was the Rudy we’ve all seen before, invoking Reagan at every opportunity and not only using “optimistic” frequently, but actually demonstrating optimism, as when he said the illegal immigration debate was an illustration of an unrecognized greatness of America: “America is the country that more people around the world want to come to than any other country,” Giuliani said. “Before we reflect on our problems, we should reflect on our strengths. More people around the world want to come here than anywhere else. Isn’t that good?”

That question got a loud bout of applause. “When we hear about how unpopular America is, and how angry people are at America around the world… well, if we’re so unpopular, why do they want to come here? We must be doing something right!”

48 posted on 05/16/2011 6:10:31 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The GOP base is not going to go for anyone who is voluntarily on his third wife. Apparently Newt, Rudy, and the Donald are too thick to understand this.


49 posted on 05/16/2011 6:29:37 AM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: kabumpo
I live in NYC. If he were half as good a president as he was a mayor, we’d be in great shape.

That is a point well taken. We know he has RINO attitudes about a lot of issues, but offers proven leadership ability. He or anyone like him could be an asset IF they were able put their personal feelings/preferences aside and do the will of the people.

Rudy is probably one of the few who could. That said, I want a conservative anyway!

50 posted on 05/16/2011 7:10:23 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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