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Escape from New York (taxpayers fleeing New York)
NY Post ^ | May 16, 2011

Posted on 05/16/2011 3:45:51 AM PDT by lowbridge

As state lawmakers hem and haw over Gov. Cuomo's property-tax cap, a new poll last week showed that more than one of every four New Yorkers is headed for the exits.

Indeed, more than one in three New Yorkers under the age of 30, some 36 percent, want out, the survey by the exemplary NY1/YNN-Marist pollsters found.

"Unchecked," says Marist's Lee Miringoff, "this threatens to drain the state of the next generation."

Overstatement? Detroit lost a quarter of its population between 2000 and 2011; absolutely, it could happen here.

Indeed, Buffalo already lost 11 percent over the past decade. Overall, the state's population grew slower than all but three other states.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
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1 posted on 05/16/2011 3:45:55 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

I don’t think it is necessarily taxes. I think it is the job problem. Same with Detroit. Those folks did not leave Detroit because of taxes, they left because the industry died and they needed to retrain in another area which meant leaving the city.


2 posted on 05/16/2011 3:48:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: lowbridge

The only problem is that after they destroy their host, these Blue-State locusts move to a Red State to feed off them.


3 posted on 05/16/2011 3:49:12 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: napscoordinator

Businesses also flee high taxes - hence the loss of jobs.


4 posted on 05/16/2011 3:50:43 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

I’m trying to leave myself. Its tax hell all to pay for grossly overpaid cops, firemen, teachers, garbage men, and govt workers. The property taxes are beyond nuts and the locusts and leeches run the place.


5 posted on 05/16/2011 3:53:22 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: lowbridge

I left in 2000. Single best decision of my life.


6 posted on 05/16/2011 3:54:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: DB

Businesses also flee high taxes - hence the loss of jobs.

Then perhaps that is what the story should focus on instead of the taxes being a personal reason for reason.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 3:55:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Then perhaps that is what the story should focus on instead of the taxes being a personal reason for leaving.


8 posted on 05/16/2011 3:55:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: MuttTheHoople

I moved to a small town in North Carolina last year and half the people here are former New Yorkers. There should be a law that if you want to live in the South you have to check your liberalism at the Mason-Dixon Line.


9 posted on 05/16/2011 4:08:30 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Herman Cain is the man in 2012)
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To: napscoordinator

Its everything. The taxes are criminal, the parasites outnumber the producers, etc.


10 posted on 05/16/2011 4:09:05 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: lowbridge

Dear yankees. Please stay in your state and do not come here and ruin my state. Thank you.
Signed: A South Carolinian.


11 posted on 05/16/2011 4:34:55 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: napscoordinator
I don’t think it is necessarily taxes. I think it is the job problem.

As far as NY goes, it's mostly a tax problem.

During a temporary moment of insanity, we had considered moving back to Long Island. I 86'd the idea pretty quick when I realized how much I would be paying in property taxes - and that I'd have to sell my guns.

My friend lives in a crappy house in a crappy Hempstead neighborhood. The house is 100% paid off, yet he still pays $18,000 per year in property taxes. He wouldn't even be able to rent the place for that much. Despite owning his home outright, he essentially a tax slave to the froward minority pols, renters and 3rd worlders who run (and are destroying) Hempstead and it's deplorable, astronomically expensive school system.

The lefties/unions/parasites there think they can just keep sucking everyone dry, but the smart people and their smart money simply leave.

12 posted on 05/16/2011 4:39:37 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: napscoordinator

Concur—not just taxes, but lack of opportunity. Upstate NY is very beautiful, but its an economic wasteland. Its the Appalachia of the North, closer in character to WV than to New York City.


13 posted on 05/16/2011 4:39:46 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: AAABEST

$18,000 per year in property taxes.

Good God. If I didn’t know any better, I would have thought you were talking about Texas. I had no idea that property taxes in New York were as horrible as Texas.


14 posted on 05/16/2011 4:41:45 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Recon Dad

I moved to a small town in North Carolina last year and half the people here are former New Yorkers. There should be a law that if you want to live in the South you have to check your liberalism at the Mason-Dixon Line.


Its a typical “refugee” syndrome. You flee a place because it sucks (political or religious oppression, high taxes, liberal policies, whatever). You arrive at a new place where none of of that exists (yet) and start to relax. But a short while later (6 months - 3 years) you start to get nostalgic for the Hell Hole you left behind. So, you start trying to recreate the conditions that made you leave in the first place. For liberals, this starts with a lament about the poor social services in their new state of residence. For Muslims, it starts with the construction of a new mosque.


15 posted on 05/16/2011 4:45:22 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: MuttTheHoople
The only problem is that after they destroy their host, these Blue-State locusts move to a Red State to feed off them.

AMEN TO THAT!

16 posted on 05/16/2011 4:48:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: rbg81
but its an economic wasteland

And do you suppose that astronomical taxes have anything to do with that? If you're a business owner are you going to go to a state which plunders the fruits of your labor and then stifles you in regulations, or are you going to go to a more business friendly venue where you're not supporint as many parasitical state employees?

17 posted on 05/16/2011 4:54:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Dear yankees. Please stay in your state and do not come here and ruin my state

Dittos for Florida and Georgia.

18 posted on 05/16/2011 4:55:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

will you welcome conservative yankees?

How about conservative FReeper yankees?


19 posted on 05/16/2011 4:55:54 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: lowbridge

Bump


20 posted on 05/16/2011 4:57:11 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“Dear yankees. Please stay in your state and do not come here and ruin my state. Thank you. Signed: A South Carolinian.”

I moved from a union yankee state to your lovely Palmetto state. Since I moved here, republicans have taken every state-wide political office, elected a conservative governor and sent more conservatives to the US House.

So in all humility, I’ve decided to credit me moving here as the impetus for South Carolina shifting more to the conservative side. Okay?

(Love your peach cobbler.)


21 posted on 05/16/2011 4:59:46 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: Recon Dad
We have always liked western NC. In fact, we spent part of this past winter in a small town near the Cherokee Reservation. The people were very friendly and the area is full of interesting history and beautiful scenery. We really enjoyed our visit.

Being from upstate NY and growing tired of the long winters, we considered making it our winter home. We subscribed to the local weekly paper so we can get a feel of what it's like year-round.

To our surprise, the newspaper reads more like a crime file. They devote an entire page every week to police reports. Nearly every other arrest is for meth or controlled Rx possession/sales. Counterfeiting, burglary, DUI, shootings, stabbings, rape and murder fill the balance. You would never expect the crime rate to be so high in this seemingly peaceful community.

Real estate is off the charts compared to upstate NY. Taxes are higher and the area is full of poisonous snakes. Nearly every job offered gives preference to the local tribe members. Food prices were just about as high as here. However, cigarettes were damn near free and like I said, the people are extremely friendly and helpful.

What was once a sleepy little town (20 years ago) is now infested with yuppies and LOTS of gays. We'll still visit in the winter, but for moving there permanently, fugetaboutit.

22 posted on 05/16/2011 5:02:06 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: sergeantdave

Ok. But generally speaking I find New Yorkers to be quite rude.


23 posted on 05/16/2011 5:02:20 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

New York staters are a pretty conservative group. If you take out the city and a few suburbs (westchester, rockland, nassau) the state is pretty conservative leaning. Lots of hard working blue collar people that like to hunt, fish, go to church and watch football on the weekends want and be left alone. Too bad all the power is concentrated in a relatively small part of the state. Same could be said of PA and NJ for the most part. I lived and worked near the big city and in Buffalo and I can tell you that it’s two different states, one north of the Tappan-Zee bridge and one south.
I left twenty years ago and never looked back and I’m a better, richer person for it. I have friends that struggle to pay their $12,000 a year property tax, $300 electric bills not to mention heating oil in the winter.
I get tired of telling them to get the hell out of there about ten years ago.

It took me a little time but I was able to shake the big gubmint expectations when I moved to VA and then NH.


24 posted on 05/16/2011 5:02:53 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: lowbridge

We’ll need to set up a “net” at Arizona’s border and escort them over to CA or even Nevada...


25 posted on 05/16/2011 5:03:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Scotswife

Only if you bring your own powder. I ain’t loaning any out.


26 posted on 05/16/2011 5:06:17 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“Dear yankees. Please stay in your state and do not come here and ruin my state. Thank you.
Signed: A South Carolinian.”

Good luck with that. A HUGE number of my high school class (’76) presently lives somewhere between NCarolina and Miami. Add in the retirees and you have a full blown invasion. It makes MASSIVE economic sense to leave NY and head south, for young as well as old.


27 posted on 05/16/2011 5:06:50 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Isn't that a fact.
Look at poor North Carolina and FL invested with the Northern living dead !
28 posted on 05/16/2011 5:11:27 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Right on, brother.


29 posted on 05/16/2011 5:11:42 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Scotsman will be Free

hubby has a good supply. If you ever run out we’ll be happy to share ;)


30 posted on 05/16/2011 5:14:37 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Recon Dad

They don’t seem to understand that they fled the results of their own voting patterns. You se the same thing out West when Californians relocate. IDIOTS.


31 posted on 05/16/2011 5:15:17 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: sergeantdave

What is your take on shrimp grits?


32 posted on 05/16/2011 5:15:27 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Scotsman will be Free; from occupied ga

You’d think that states like SC & GA would welcome the opportunity to expand their gene pool. Trees with few branches eventually die out.


33 posted on 05/16/2011 5:18:56 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Scotswife

Good questions. I wonder what their response will be?


34 posted on 05/16/2011 5:20:51 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: bert

“What is your take on shrimp grits?”
Grits with sausage and/or meatballs and tomato sauce. Yum Yum.


35 posted on 05/16/2011 5:35:22 AM PDT by duckman (My Grandma Isn't Shovel Ready!)
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To: from occupied ga; rbg81

“And do you suppose that astronomical taxes have anything to do with that?”

Property/School taxes are not “astronomical” in upstate NY.

We pay less tha $900 per year combined. Nice house and 7 acres of Sugar Maples with year-round creek is paid in full. We’re surrounded by 1700 acres of state land abundant with deer, turkeys, grouse and bear. I can shoot anytime I want and don’t have the state breathing down my neck. Our crime rate is very low, probably due to the fact that everyone owns at least a dozen guns.

Yes, we do have long winters and like rbg81 says, there is little opportunity.

NYS ranks 8th on the FR scoreboard for donations (just below AZ and above GA, I might add). Must be all those NYC liberals donating, huh?

Upstate NY is not NYC


36 posted on 05/16/2011 5:42:57 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: metmom

Monday morning ‘hate NY’ ping.


37 posted on 05/16/2011 5:44:33 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax
You’d think that states like SC & GA would welcome the opportunity to expand their gene pool

Say whatever you want. Just stay there and say it.

38 posted on 05/16/2011 5:46:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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39 posted on 05/16/2011 6:00:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: panaxanax
Property/School taxes are not “astronomical” in upstate NY.

You don't pay state and county income tax and state and county sales tax there? According to Kiplinger's NY is in the highest five income tax states.

40 posted on 05/16/2011 6:01:03 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“But generally speaking I find New Yorkers to be quite rude.”

Me, too. Where I came from, we’d implement our attitude adjustment program on New York liberals by throwing them down mineshafts to live with blind rats. After they got more polite, we’d haul them back out. The Chicago mutts got the same treatment.


41 posted on 05/16/2011 6:05:00 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: bert

“What is your take on shrimp grits?”

On sale at $5.99 a lb. I take shrimp and grits and fry ‘em up in my yankee cast iron skillet. At $12.99 a lb. they stay in the grocer’s freezer and I buy cheap chicken wings and rice. Then I cook up yankee baked chicken, a mess o’ collards and New Orleans jambalaya.

What’s your take on perogies?


42 posted on 05/16/2011 6:18:01 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Come on down to the Missouri Ozarks. Low taxes, turkey, deer, great fishing, water aplenty. We’ll teach you how to speak the local dialect.


43 posted on 05/16/2011 6:18:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: sergeantdave

: )

Excuse my ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with the term. It sounds ethnic. Cajun?


44 posted on 05/16/2011 6:28:03 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: bert

Pierogies are a northern dish. Nearly impossible to find in the south, but I intend to change that...

It’s similar in appearance to a Cornish pasty, but it’s not a pasty. You make a dough, fill it with a mix of mashed potatoes, onions and olives, fold it up, boil and then fry or bake it. Ideal with baked ham or kielbasa.

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/grandmas-polish-perogies/Detail.aspx


45 posted on 05/16/2011 6:54:36 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: panaxanax
Upstate NY is not NYC

That fact seems to escape those who wish to vilify us conservative NY Staters....

But facts never stopped anyone with an agenda.

46 posted on 05/16/2011 6:56:49 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: panaxanax

They’re still fighting the Civil War down there. Lots fo resentment that they lost.

I visited my sister in SC a couple years back and it was plenty obvious then.


47 posted on 05/16/2011 6:59:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: napscoordinator

I have a client who pays 60k a year in Scarsdale for a decent house, nothing too extravagant though.

My GF parents pay 30k in New Rochelle.

Its totally nuts.


48 posted on 05/16/2011 7:14:06 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: sergeantdave; bert
Pierogies are eastern European < - click to watch pierogies in Russia
49 posted on 05/16/2011 8:59:43 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: panaxanax

Thanks friend, but we have lots of genes and quite a few petes, joes and toms to boot.


50 posted on 05/16/2011 9:50:30 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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