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Trend: Dropouts might lose drivers licenses
Deseret News ^ | 4/20/11 | Sara Lenz

Posted on 05/16/2011 9:14:03 AM PDT by Libloather

Trend: Dropouts might lose drivers licenses
By Sara Lenz, Deseret News
Published: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:34 p.m. MDT

Lawmakers around the country are looking at a new way to keep kids in school — not letting them get a drivers license if they drop out.

Although Minnesota's law states that students only have to stay in school until they are 16, lawmakers there are considering a bill that would not allow school dropouts to get their license, the StarTribune reported on Tuesday.

"Driving is not a right, it's a privilege, and it's perfectly within bounds for the state government to expect a quid pro quo when it comes to extending privileges," the paper quoted the bill sponsor as saying.

South Carolina is also trying to encourage its students to stay in school by considering a bill this session that would take away students' drivers licenses if they skip too many classes or drop out, Fox Carolina reported.

And the Clark County School Board in Nevada asked lawmakers to consider creating a law that would only allow students who pass their classes and don't drop out of high school to get a license, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; bigbrother; biggovernment; control; creatingcriminals; drivers; dropouts; elitism; illegalsunlicensed; license; nazisrule; paytoplay; politicsfullamorons; politicsfullanazis; school
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If they can't make it through high school, maybe they're too stoopid to drive.
1 posted on 05/16/2011 9:14:10 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

First it was dead beat parents.

Now we’ll have dead beat students!


2 posted on 05/16/2011 9:17:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Libloather

Maybe they are not too stupid. This looks like another way to fix a societal problem with legislation. Taking a kid who is already having trouble, and denying him the right to transport himself even to the burger flipping job doesn’t sound very farsighted to me.


3 posted on 05/16/2011 9:19:35 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: Libloather

“If they can’t make it through high school, maybe they’re too stupid to drive”.

We are talking about taking away a privilege based on nothing but a high school degree. Not too many points, driving while intoxicated etc... What’s next? No driver license if you don’t have a college degree? No driver’s license if you aren’t currently employed? This is insanity.


4 posted on 05/16/2011 9:19:40 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Libloather

Everytime I figure these frigging politicians have dobne all the stupid shit they can they up and surprise me again.


5 posted on 05/16/2011 9:19:58 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Libloather

Everytime I figure these frigging politicians have done all the stupid shit they can they up and surprise me again.


6 posted on 05/16/2011 9:20:11 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Libloather

Some students are better off working for a couple of years, so they mature.

I really don’t see the advantage of forcing somebody to be there if they don’t want to and aren’t going to accomplish anything while there.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 9:20:47 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s obvious these “lawmakers” have too much time on their hands and need to further control everyones lives.


8 posted on 05/16/2011 9:21:21 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: RobinOfKingston

yeah this ranks right up there with take their license away if they don’t pay child support, thereby guaranteeing they have challenges transporting to a job...........


9 posted on 05/16/2011 9:21:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Americanexpat

Sorry about the double post, fingers to big for the keyboard.


10 posted on 05/16/2011 9:22:01 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Libloather

Strange law.
Emancipated adults have lost more rights since the Civil Rights movement than one would have thought.

If the kid drops out, and emancipates himself from his parents, and is therefor an adult in the eyes of the law, how can the state justify denying him the privilege to drive to and from work to be self sustaining individual?

There are similar laws in other spheres of our lives (up until recently), in some states a minor child could not get individual health insurance, however if the child was of age and filed papers with the court to become emancipated, he/she could then acquire health insurance.

Law was another do-gooder scheme to prevent parents from buying insurance just for the child and not the adults in the family group, however it caused huge problems for divorced and separated families where one guardian paying child support lived out of state or overseas, while the custodial guardian didn’t want to buy health insurance for herself.. so the kid ended up without insurance.


11 posted on 05/16/2011 9:22:25 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: RobinOfKingston

Not everybody drops out because they aren’t motivated. I dropped out because I was essentially forced out by the other students.


12 posted on 05/16/2011 9:23:24 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: RobinOfKingston

Not everybody drops out because they aren’t motivated. I dropped out because I was essentially forced out by the other students.


13 posted on 05/16/2011 9:23:35 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jack Hydrazine

>”Driving is not a right, it’s a privilege, and it’s perfectly within bounds for the state government to expect a quid pro quo when it comes to extending privileges,” the paper quoted the bill sponsor as saying. <

Tell that to drivers here in L.A. MOST don’t even deserve a drivers license.


14 posted on 05/16/2011 9:24:52 AM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Libloather
It's not about education.
It's not about driving.
It's not about jobs.

It's about control.

15 posted on 05/16/2011 9:25:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Libloather
There is a reason they are doing this. Follow the money.

Fewer kids in school means less money from Uncle Sugar.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

16 posted on 05/16/2011 9:27:32 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: momtothree
What’s next? No driver license if you don’t have a college degree?
You're right and it's nothing more than extortion.
The Feds did it for years by denying highway funds to states that didn't drop their speed limits from 65 to 55.
It's also in Obamacare (you 'vil buy der insurance or else) and since the gov't now owns student loans, that'll be the next "hammer" to force a behavior .
17 posted on 05/16/2011 9:27:46 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ClearCase_guy

how about the freedom to drop out of high school and do what you want? I learned a lot in 9th and 10th grade and basically nothing in 11-12th.


18 posted on 05/16/2011 9:28:59 AM PDT by rokkitapps
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We wish it grew there

19 posted on 05/16/2011 9:32:32 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Libloather
That makes sense... The can't make through school so you don't give them licenses so they can't go out and get minimum wage jobs.....

Mike

20 posted on 05/16/2011 9:33:04 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: oh8eleven

Many people hear the initial idea and think, “that’s a good idea”. However, I choose to look more down the line. If they can deny a driver’s license based on level of education, then they can increase that level. Not only with the amount of education but other things like employment. I am sure there is some person in government thinking, “stay at home Moms don’t really need licenses” or “you don’t need a license if public transportation is available to you”. Scary when even some FReepers think taking away a privilege based on nothing is a good idea.


21 posted on 05/16/2011 9:33:06 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: RobinOfKingston

But the whole goal of government is to criminalize every action the law abiding otherwise there wouldn’t be any job security for those who work in the criminal justice system!


22 posted on 05/16/2011 9:34:10 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: momtothree
you don’t need a license if public transportation is available to you
Hence the big gov't push for public trans.
Everything they do decreases our freedom that much more.
23 posted on 05/16/2011 9:37:45 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Libloather

A better law would be to make high school optional if a student could read and write at a basic level, as well as do math up to algebra.


24 posted on 05/16/2011 9:39:17 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Libloather
I think we should not allow anyone still in school to drive at all, unless they can prove that they work at least 30 hours a week. That would include college students. Teachers should not be allowed to drive to school, the parking lots should be very small. They could be required to live in the school district, and ride the bus like every other student or employee. This should be no problem making it a law, since students and teachers are probably the number one supporters of "saving our planet". Just think of the number of cars that would take off of the road. The teachers could then interact with students on a more "real" level, and the kids would know where they live. That would make it so much easier for them to "come over" when they need help with homework.

Seriously, have you ever noticed how busy the roads are in the summer, or on weekends, as opposed to during school hours?

25 posted on 05/16/2011 9:39:17 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: yldstrk

That’s a good part of why I dropped out of school - so I could work to pay CS. That and I got screwed by a teacher that had a vendetta for me (1/8 of a credit I would have to go to summer school for 4 hours a day all summer to get back - all over a paper of mine that he lost).

I wasn’t accomplishing anything in school other than developing a poor attitude towards people of power (I.E. teachers and principals).


26 posted on 05/16/2011 9:39:33 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: RobinOfKingston

Taking a kid who is already having trouble, and denying him the right to transport himself even to the burger flipping job doesn’t sound very farsighted to me.

But, more importantly for the dimdems is will the drop out student still be voting democrat! That’s all that’s really important to them,


27 posted on 05/16/2011 9:39:37 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: Libloather

these lawmakers must have a LOT of time on their hands to come up with this nonsense


28 posted on 05/16/2011 9:40:29 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: Libloather

these lawmakers must have a LOT of time on their hands to come up with this nonsense


29 posted on 05/16/2011 9:40:55 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: Americanexpat

Do you have to openly curse in your posts?


30 posted on 05/16/2011 9:42:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
But the whole goal of government is to criminalize every action the law abiding

while the illegals skate. Where's the outrage like there was for AZ wanting to request proof of legal residency from drivers stopped for violations?

31 posted on 05/16/2011 9:43:28 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: oh8eleven

“Everything they do decreases our freedom that much more”

Absolutely. I know one person who dropped out of high school. He was a master carpenter who had worked with his father since very young. After sophomore year, he figured that he knew exactly what he wanted to do in life and wanted to start doing it then. He runs his own company (with his two brothers) and is very successful. The idea of forcing someone to stay in school is ridiculous. We are truly becoming a country living in a dictatorship.


32 posted on 05/16/2011 9:43:45 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Just you wait, it will happen. If they can do it here, they can do the same for those without a college degree.


33 posted on 05/16/2011 9:46:29 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: momtothree

What’s next? I’ll tell you what is next.

Smoker eh? No obamacare for you.

Eat Doublecheese burgers eh? No obamacare for you.

A little overweight? No obamacare for you...


34 posted on 05/16/2011 9:48:39 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: shelterguy

Yea, they want those last couple of years to indoctrinate those kids more..next step, no drivers license for home schooled kids!


35 posted on 05/16/2011 9:51:11 AM PDT by Debi911
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To: Libloather
Trend: Dropouts might lose drivers licenses

Unfortunately, it won't stop them from driving. It hasn't seemed to stop the illegal aliens from crashing into us.

36 posted on 05/16/2011 9:52:44 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Libloather
So you end up with a bunch of students that the only reason they are hanging around school is to keep their license. I don't think that they would promote much of a learning environment.
37 posted on 05/16/2011 9:57:01 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
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To: Libloather

why not just say they are imposing slavery and be done with it.


38 posted on 05/16/2011 9:57:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Libloather

I’d rather they focus on eliminating welfare than taking a license.


39 posted on 05/16/2011 10:00:37 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ansel12; Americanexpat

AbsoF***ckinglotely.

This law is stoopid beyond belief


40 posted on 05/16/2011 10:00:37 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Libloather

They are going to create undocumented drivers.


41 posted on 05/16/2011 10:01:35 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I would like to see a state pass an amendment stating driving is a RIGHT not a mere privilege.

put some due process on there.


42 posted on 05/16/2011 10:02:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Libloather

That is ridicoulus. There are plenty of people that didn’t finish high school out there being very successful running businesses.

I know of several people running businesses who went back and got their GED years later. This is just another control freak idea from the government.

“You must finish a degree through our schools, or you won’t be allowed to lead a life at all.” I hope people fight this for all they’re worth.


43 posted on 05/16/2011 10:02:47 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Libloather

This is pure social engineering. A license is given based on your ability to pass written and driving tests to prove you can competently drive a car. Period.

This is a typical “who cares about the long term ramifications”, feel good liberal solution to a problem.

How’d that “Great Society” thing work out for the black family - what’s left of it anyway?


44 posted on 05/16/2011 10:03:35 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Jonty30
One size does not fit all.

One of my grandson's dropped out at 10th grade. He wanted to learn and all he was getting was Socialist indoctrination. He signed up for an accredited online high school and became such a regular at the local library, following his independent study, that they set him up with a ‘private office’ up on the third floor - sunny room with a desk

He went on through a year at college and then went into the Army. He progressed on to the most decorated unit in the Army, the 173rd AIRBORNE - served a total, so far, of 2 1/2 yrs in Afghanistan. His platoon's story has been made famous by Sebastian Junger and Tim Hetherington’s movie “RESTREPO” - was nominated for Academy Award - Dcumentary. (They were also featured on ABC doc., and several magazie articles.) My grandson is now, at 25, an officer with a chest full of medals.

His future is bright.

Rather than further punishing dropouts, why not turn the attention to the failure to educate in our schools?

Think of of the college dropouts, like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Sir Richard Branson, Ted Nugent, Mark Zuckerberg, etc -

One size does not fit all.

And I still fail to understand how yanking the drivers license from someone who's behind on child support payments helps the situation. Yank the license, now they can't get to and from a job. Yeah, that makes sense. (The original rational was to keep them from skipping the state. WTF? You can take a bus, a plane, WALK outta state. AT least,it they had a driver's license, they'd be easier to track down.)

So they prevent kids from getting a license because they didn't stay in school- will they increase that to include kids in homeschool, taking accredited online school? What's the real concern? Is it that they'll lack education or indoctrination?

45 posted on 05/16/2011 10:03:46 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: Libloather
"Driving is not a right, it's a privilege"

No, it's a freedom.

Any time a freedom is restricted, free men ought to be very suspicious - and demand there be a darned good reason for it.

"and it's perfectly within bounds for the state government to expect a quid pro quo when it comes to extending privileges"

That's not a good reason. That's a tyrant talking.
46 posted on 05/16/2011 10:06:34 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That reminds me of a story my mother used to tell about an eighth grader that drove his Mercedes to school sitting on a phone book because he was so short. Let’s just say the child allegedly had some income that wasn’t kosher.

People used to say “But you need to be 16 to have a license.”

Her response, “So?”

Unless you have to swipe a driver’s license to start a car, I don’t see this being to effective (I hope big brother isn’t watching, since I may have hatched another idea).


47 posted on 05/16/2011 10:13:44 AM PDT by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: Libloather

I haven’t had a drivers license in many years. It just isn’t worth it anymore. I drive everyday. If I get stopped, I just tell them I left my wallet at home, and then just deal with it. I haven’t been stopped in 5 years.

My dad “legally” owns my car. So I dont give a crap about this anymore.

If everybody would refuse to get a license, they would stop issuing them.


48 posted on 05/16/2011 10:14:46 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: runninglips

You Wrote: “I think we should not allow anyone still in school to drive at all,”

Dang it! Leave People ALONE!!!!!!!

Everybody wants to force everybody else into THEIR box.

I hate the village. To hell with it. To hell with the Nanny State. We need rugged self sufficient individualist. Not Pavlovian monkeys!

How about we don’t “allow” people to think up stupid laws and call city hall.

Or we don’t allow teeth brushing amongst people born with extra wisdom teeth, “just to even it out”.


49 posted on 05/16/2011 10:14:46 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: NativeSon

Criminals in suits love the criminals on the streets because they are both down with the struggle.


50 posted on 05/16/2011 10:20:44 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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