Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

NEW STORY: Japanese nuke co. admits meltdown occurred 16 hours after quake...
The Manachi Daily News via the Drudge Report ^ | 5/16/2011

Posted on 05/16/2011 1:29:19 PM PDT by Sprite518

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) admitted for the first time on May 15 that most of the fuel in one of its nuclear reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant had melted only about 16 hours after the March 11 earthquake struck a wide swath of northeastern Japan and triggered a devastating tsunami.

(Excerpt) Read more at mdn.mainichi.jp ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fukushima; japan; meltdown; nuclear; quake; tepco
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last
Finally the truth comes out. I knew it. This goes out to all the freepers that were accused of being "Conspiracy Theorist".

It's okay folks to ask questions, and not buy what you are being told.

1 posted on 05/16/2011 1:29:26 PM PDT by Sprite518
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Sprite518

Bookmark


2 posted on 05/16/2011 1:30:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518
TEPCO use Jay Carney for their spokesgirl.

Like with OBL and the weather. Wait a few hours and it changes.

3 posted on 05/16/2011 1:33:10 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How much longer can the charade last?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518
Actually much worse then just one complete core meltdown. Looks like three have completely melted their cores.

From the Ex-SKF blogger who is still in the process of translating a recent Japanese news article.

Asahi Shinbun, one of the MSM in Japan, says in the article published at 3:01AM JST 5/17/2011 that core meltdown may have occurred in the Reactors 2 and 3 at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant, according to the data that TEPCO disclosed on May 16.

They are still analyzing the recent data dump.

4 posted on 05/16/2011 1:33:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; maggief; RummyChick

I guess we weren’t so crazy after all, thinking this was a lot more serious than the “experts” here were telling us.

Lesson: Trust your bellyometer:)

Continued good wishes and prayers for Japan.


5 posted on 05/16/2011 1:40:29 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518; All
the issue is the evironuts will use this as a reason why we should shut down nuclear power plants susceptible to earthquakes yet once again the article points out the tsunami did the damage after the plant withstood the earthquake...
6 posted on 05/16/2011 1:41:55 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape

Unreal and notice how quiet the media and news are about it?

If Bush was in office, then they would be hammering him.

The way the Media and Press works is as follows. If bad news ignore or blame Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives. If good news, then it’s because of Obama. That is how they do things. The are completely compromised and can no longer be trusted. They are ACTIVIST and not Journalist/Reporters.

If we had a true free and objective press, then a lot of our problems would either not exist or not be as bad as they are. What we use to trust in the media and press is nothing but government news.

My suspicion is that there is a war within the government and it’s agencies.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 1:46:37 PM PDT by Sprite518
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518
Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) admitted for the first time on May 15 that most of the fuel in one of its nuclear reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant had melted only about 16 hours after the March 11 earthquake struck a wide swath of northeastern Japan and triggered a devastating tsunami.

So what? The fuel is slag in the bottom of a containment vessel.......is everyone on the West coast dead yet?

8 posted on 05/16/2011 1:48:17 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518

imagine the tactical advantage if blabermouth obama had kept his mouth shut about obama.

no phones, no computer communication,

just hand to hand couriers.

blabermouth obama could have had DAYS where the enemy did not know we had osama’s hard drives and notebooks.


9 posted on 05/16/2011 1:48:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SE Mom

The experts here were ALL still right. Chicken-littleism is never helpful. Those who engaged in it then are STILL wrong now.


10 posted on 05/16/2011 1:49:10 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

Amen, bro!


11 posted on 05/16/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
is everyone on the West coast dead yet?

So, it's not a problem unless it kills everyone 5000 miles away?

12 posted on 05/16/2011 1:53:03 PM PDT by Fido969
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

Last I heard, any illnesses from the released radiation would take years to become evident.

Making out like this is no big deal, helps no one and proves nothing.


13 posted on 05/16/2011 1:55:34 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: God luvs America

Sorry pal. Nuclear power is dead. Deader then dead. We knew that over a month ago when the head executive for the worlds largest nuclear power company (French) stated that nuclear power might may a come back in 10-20 years. That horse is dead Jim and you wont win any friends flogging it any more.


14 posted on 05/16/2011 2:01:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek
Making out like this is no big deal, helps no one and proves nothing.

It is a psychological thing. That is how some people deal with a crisis. They are typically the same people who do absolutely no disaster preparedness planning.

15 posted on 05/16/2011 2:03:24 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
The fuel is slag in the bottom of a containment vessel.......is everyone on the West coast dead yet?

You do know that the Japanese just recently expanded the evacuation zone ? That is usually not a sign that things are improving.

16 posted on 05/16/2011 2:07:25 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek

“Last I heard, any illnesses from the released radiation would take years to become evident.”

Last I heard, that’s BS. Take 8 minutes and educate yourself..all these 70 year old men, sitting 20 miles from Britain’s first H-Bomb test look rather healthy, happy and prosperous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLFRIiflSgU


17 posted on 05/16/2011 2:09:57 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518

I love how these articles are written.

“...admits...”

They got a sea full of water dumped in on their heads, electrical instrumentation doubtless failed. Now that they’re getting instrumentation back online and replaced/repaired/supplanted, data that comes out from the new instrumentation is an “admission.”

What a pantload of fertilizer these liberal arts majors are in the press. They couldn’t even describe to me (or any other engineer or physicist) what the difference between ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation is, and now they’re acting all prosecutorial in the press.

Morons.

BTW - this development is consistent with what happened in Three Mile Island: The TMI core slagged down in the early hours of the situation, and all the henny-penny run-in-circles-scream-and-shout for days afterwards was utterly superfluous. When they got the reactor vessel out to Idaho Falls, they found that there was a wad of material on the bottom of the reactor vessel and that it was nowhere near the point of breaching the vessel.

I also pointed this out here on FR - ie, that TMI’s reactor had slagged down and was resting on the bottom of the vessel, and came nowhere close to melting through.


18 posted on 05/16/2011 2:13:55 PM PDT by NVDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518
Ex-SKF just finished his translation and blog posting of the recent news from Japan. Looks like complete core meltdown in 1,2 and 3. Just reported in Japanese to their people.

Asahi Shinbun: Core Meltdown in Reactors 2 and 3 at #Fukushima

19 posted on 05/16/2011 2:15:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NVDave
When they got the reactor vessel out to Idaho Falls, they found that there was a wad of material on the bottom of the reactor vessel and that it was nowhere near the point of breaching the vessel.

Incorrect. TMI broke out of the RPV at one of the seals for the control rod box assemblies. It was contained within the control rod box and did not breach. What we have here is 3 reactors that have broken out at those seals. They are the same seals (silver welds actually) and the corium is flowing down below the RPV's. That is a given now.

20 posted on 05/16/2011 2:20:26 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
You do know that the Japanese just recently expanded the evacuation zone ? That is usually not a sign that things are improving.

There is radioactive material on the ground, that is not good. Don't stand in it. The clean up will begin soon....why all the predictions of doom?

21 posted on 05/16/2011 2:21:30 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: God luvs America

Actually, if you do a bit more reading..TEPCO had indicated that the plant may have been compromised before the tsunami.

Given their history, it is quite possible their safety measures..or lack thereof... contributed to this mess.


22 posted on 05/16/2011 2:22:49 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
I was referring to this event not some one-time release.

but, you think what you want.

23 posted on 05/16/2011 2:27:50 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: God luvs America

The issue is that there is a chunk of land uninhabitable for at least 30 years if things work out.If they don’t give it 50 years to a century for there to be people living there again.


24 posted on 05/16/2011 2:28:50 PM PDT by Del Rapier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/asahi-shinbun-core-meltdown-in-reactors.html

“Fun to see the spin by one of the MSM in Japan. Now they are all saying core meltdown, complete core meltdown, we knew from the beginning, we knew in March. It’s hysterically comical.

Particularly hilarious is Haruki Madarame, who now basically says “we knew that”, while he was the one who told the PM on March 12, “Don’t worry, the nuclear reactor doesn’t break.”

Yes, there were nuclear experts and independent journalists in Japan and around the world who said it was a meltdown, and they were attacked by the government and the MSM like Asahi as “fear-mongering”. I thought so too, after reading the entries on wiki on Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and corium, among others.

But it isn’t true until the official, government-approved sources say so, and it is now, after more than 2 months: complete core meltdown in all three operating Reactors at Fukushima I.

What’s next? Recriticality, maybe, announced in two months or so?

Quick and dirty translation, subject to later revision.”

Kind of like a very few people here who suspected what was taking place..but were attacked relentlessly on this forum...

AHEM...


25 posted on 05/16/2011 2:32:10 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist
....why all the predictions of doom?

Just reporting reality. You have a problem with reality ? Beginning to think I was somehow transferred to an alternate universe, while I was driving through a massive West Texas wildfire a few months ago. The smoke, fire and tumbleweeds went on for hours. In this new alternate universe, exploding nuclear reactor buildings are nothing to worry about.

26 posted on 05/16/2011 2:33:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Del Rapier

Yea, and that chunk of land around Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been uninhabited since we dropped bombs on them, right?

What’s that? Oh, I’m not going to get some future real estate as bargain-basement prices?

Darn.


27 posted on 05/16/2011 2:34:12 PM PDT by NVDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape

At TMI, they also had hundreds of thousands of gallons of cooling water in the concrete structure below the vessel as well.

I still don’t see any three-headed people in eastern PA.


28 posted on 05/16/2011 2:35:43 PM PDT by NVDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518

there never was a doubt the jamapanese were lying. They always lied at that power plant.

The only new information is the when they knew.


29 posted on 05/16/2011 2:35:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NVDave
I still don’t see any three-headed people in eastern PA.

They voted for Obama....coincidence?

30 posted on 05/16/2011 2:37:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Del Rapier
A picture of the actual article in the Asahi Shimbum in reference to the Cesium found in Tokoyo.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3304636&postcount=7433

http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3304632&postcount=7432

"Regarding the article discussing cesium found in Tokyo:

Although I didn't sight the actual Asahi article myself, I read the article that was copy & pasted onto the Japanese website, as well as the newspaper clipping that was linked, and they both look to be legitimate. The samplings were apparently taken at various locations in Tokyo, Chiba, Saitama, Ibaraki, and Fukushima. The earliest sample is from March 19th (Fukushima, 27650 becquerels/kilo). The most recent sample was taken on April 20th from the city of Tateyama in Chiba (127 becquerels/kilo) and the city of Kamisu in Ibaraki (455 becquerels/kilo). Tokyo's highest reading was from Kameido in the suburb of Koto-ku (3201 becquerels/kilo) sampled on April 16th. "
31 posted on 05/16/2011 2:38:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
The smoke, fire and tumbleweeds went on for hours.

I can relate to that.....having seen it myself. I can't relate to people on FR that believe what is going on in Japan is anything more than a localized disaster. It's the same as the Texas/Oklahoma wildfires....not something you want to endure....but recoverable from a residents standpoint......frankly the Texas/Oklahoma wildfires have killed more people that the "nuclear meltdown" you are so worried about.

32 posted on 05/16/2011 2:43:22 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick

Was Fukushima a China Syndrome?
http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/05/16/was-fukushima-a-china-syndrome/

“Eight months after the Three Mile Island accident, “an Oak Ridge National Laboratory scientist declared, ‘Little, if any, fuel melting occurred, even though the reactor core was uncovered. The safety systems functioned reliably.’ A few years later, robotic sorties into the area revealed that half the core — not ‘little, if any’ — had melted down.””

Btw, the core in Reaction 1 melted down before the venting and the explosion..imagine what was released when those two events happened.


33 posted on 05/16/2011 2:49:34 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick

The readings at the actual plant,not to mention within the reactors should be something else entirely.


34 posted on 05/16/2011 2:53:30 PM PDT by Del Rapier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
Btw, the core in Reaction 1 melted down before the venting and the explosion..imagine what was released when those two events happened.

The Tsunami killed 30,000 or so.....what's the toll for the radiation? Make sure to link it....

35 posted on 05/16/2011 3:06:20 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

And I can’t relate or even fathom people that are so clueless as to think Fukushima is a localized disaster.

The ramifications are mind boggling.

I suspect lurking behind the reluctant release of info from the beginning ..in a small part..had to do with credit default swaps and the unwinding of yen carry trades.

Japan MUST have trade surplus because of their leverage.
I repeat..MUST have trade surplus.

They are the second highest foreign owner of our debt.

A big portion of their Government Bonds are held by Japanese corporations.

The financial ramifications are huge.

And NO it does not just effect Japan.

Remember the banking crisis????

In 2008.

It didn’t just effect the US.


36 posted on 05/16/2011 3:11:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: bvw

In case you find any of their data interesting:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/110515e10.pdf


37 posted on 05/16/2011 3:12:42 PM PDT by NVDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

By all means, if you think radiation isn’t a problem ..go live in a house by Fukushima and eat the fish and the produce etc.

I can’t relate to your cluelessness.

This is a HUGE event for the entire world.

But keep your blinders on...

Or perhaps you just don’t understand global economic ramifications...


38 posted on 05/16/2011 3:14:08 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
And I can’t relate or even fathom people that are so clueless as to think Fukushima is a localized disaster.

I'll ask you again. What is the death count from the Fukushima "melt downs".

39 posted on 05/16/2011 3:15:14 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
“Sorry pal. Nuclear power is dead. Deader then dead. “

Awesome!!
Let's fire up those coal plants and hunt for whales once again.

If you want to get rid of nuclear; let's hear your solutions for generating abundant; inexpensive electricity?

Because the rest of world is leaving us in the dust:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf17.html

And don't forget coal:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.html

40 posted on 05/16/2011 3:18:53 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Those who endured Valley Forge didn't make their sacrifice to give us free health care)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick

For those that are clueless about global ramications...

let’s look at Japan’s debt....BEFORE any real conseqence of this disaster.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/11_20.html

Remember..this country has a huge chunk of OUR debt.

Now, if you can’t figure out how this DISASTER could have a domino effect...all over the world.

then you should actually do research before claiming Fukushima is a localized event.


41 posted on 05/16/2011 3:22:35 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
By all means, if you think radiation isn’t a problem ..go live in a house by Fukushima and eat the fish and the produce etc.

Radiation is a problem, that's why people shouldn't be standing around in it.....hence the evacuation order. Nothing has happened at Fukushima that can't be cleaned. Really dudette, your whining is silly. If you want to worry about something, worry why Texas and Oklahoma are in biblical droughts and are burning.....sheesh.

42 posted on 05/16/2011 3:24:11 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

SO WHAT??

We don’t know the amount of deaths. Let’s say it is 5 RIGHT NOW. Radiation effects are long term.

But say 5
Versus 30,000.

The difference in numbers is not a determination that it is some small event.

I cannot fathom such idiocy.
Just keep your blinders on instead of educating yourself.


43 posted on 05/16/2011 3:25:27 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

Using that same line of idiotic thinking....the droughts are no big deal..because..Hey it will eventually rain.

It will rain a lot sooner than Japan can be cleaned up.

Or how about...the fires will go out. So what if everything is burned to the ground. They can rebuild right away.

Japan can’t.

Your line of reasoning is idiotic.


44 posted on 05/16/2011 3:29:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Sprite518

Another “sneak attack” no less.


45 posted on 05/16/2011 3:32:23 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
But say 5 Versus 30,000.

Well....I can now see why you are so worried about it. Just for the record, how many Americans died when Alabama was hit by the last tornado outbreak a few weeks ago....? Perspective is an awesome mediator....

46 posted on 05/16/2011 3:32:49 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

“The fuel is slag in the bottom of a containment vessel...”

I seriously doubt it. The fuel rods melt at >2000F, whereas the containment vessel is rated to <800F.


47 posted on 05/16/2011 3:33:10 PM PDT by Justa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ScreamingFist

Tornadoes don’t have Cesium 137 and a 30-year half life.


48 posted on 05/16/2011 3:35:01 PM PDT by Justa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
Japan can’t.

LOL! Google up Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

49 posted on 05/16/2011 3:35:27 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Justa
Tornadoes don’t have Cesium 137 and a 30-year half life.

Hehe. I guess water, dirt and bulldozers are unheard of in the treehouse you live in. Please.....go tell it to your lawyer.

50 posted on 05/16/2011 3:38:49 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson