Skip to comments.NEW STORY: Japanese nuke co. admits meltdown occurred 16 hours after quake...
Posted on 05/16/2011 1:29:19 PM PDT by Sprite518
Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) admitted for the first time on May 15 that most of the fuel in one of its nuclear reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant had melted only about 16 hours after the March 11 earthquake struck a wide swath of northeastern Japan and triggered a devastating tsunami.
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It's okay folks to ask questions, and not buy what you are being told.
Like with OBL and the weather. Wait a few hours and it changes.
From the Ex-SKF blogger who is still in the process of translating a recent Japanese news article.
Asahi Shinbun, one of the MSM in Japan, says in the article published at 3:01AM JST 5/17/2011 that core meltdown may have occurred in the Reactors 2 and 3 at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant, according to the data that TEPCO disclosed on May 16.
They are still analyzing the recent data dump.
I guess we weren’t so crazy after all, thinking this was a lot more serious than the “experts” here were telling us.
Lesson: Trust your bellyometer:)
Continued good wishes and prayers for Japan.
Unreal and notice how quiet the media and news are about it?
If Bush was in office, then they would be hammering him.
The way the Media and Press works is as follows. If bad news ignore or blame Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives. If good news, then it’s because of Obama. That is how they do things. The are completely compromised and can no longer be trusted. They are ACTIVIST and not Journalist/Reporters.
If we had a true free and objective press, then a lot of our problems would either not exist or not be as bad as they are. What we use to trust in the media and press is nothing but government news.
My suspicion is that there is a war within the government and it’s agencies.
So what? The fuel is slag in the bottom of a containment vessel.......is everyone on the West coast dead yet?
imagine the tactical advantage if blabermouth obama had kept his mouth shut about obama.
no phones, no computer communication,
just hand to hand couriers.
blabermouth obama could have had DAYS where the enemy did not know we had osama’s hard drives and notebooks.
The experts here were ALL still right. Chicken-littleism is never helpful. Those who engaged in it then are STILL wrong now.
So, it's not a problem unless it kills everyone 5000 miles away?
Last I heard, any illnesses from the released radiation would take years to become evident.
Making out like this is no big deal, helps no one and proves nothing.
Sorry pal. Nuclear power is dead. Deader then dead. We knew that over a month ago when the head executive for the worlds largest nuclear power company (French) stated that nuclear power might may a come back in 10-20 years. That horse is dead Jim and you wont win any friends flogging it any more.
It is a psychological thing. That is how some people deal with a crisis. They are typically the same people who do absolutely no disaster preparedness planning.
You do know that the Japanese just recently expanded the evacuation zone ? That is usually not a sign that things are improving.
“Last I heard, any illnesses from the released radiation would take years to become evident.”
Last I heard, that’s BS. Take 8 minutes and educate yourself..all these 70 year old men, sitting 20 miles from Britain’s first H-Bomb test look rather healthy, happy and prosperous.
I love how these articles are written.
They got a sea full of water dumped in on their heads, electrical instrumentation doubtless failed. Now that they’re getting instrumentation back online and replaced/repaired/supplanted, data that comes out from the new instrumentation is an “admission.”
What a pantload of fertilizer these liberal arts majors are in the press. They couldn’t even describe to me (or any other engineer or physicist) what the difference between ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation is, and now they’re acting all prosecutorial in the press.
BTW - this development is consistent with what happened in Three Mile Island: The TMI core slagged down in the early hours of the situation, and all the henny-penny run-in-circles-scream-and-shout for days afterwards was utterly superfluous. When they got the reactor vessel out to Idaho Falls, they found that there was a wad of material on the bottom of the reactor vessel and that it was nowhere near the point of breaching the vessel.
I also pointed this out here on FR - ie, that TMI’s reactor had slagged down and was resting on the bottom of the vessel, and came nowhere close to melting through.
Incorrect. TMI broke out of the RPV at one of the seals for the control rod box assemblies. It was contained within the control rod box and did not breach. What we have here is 3 reactors that have broken out at those seals. They are the same seals (silver welds actually) and the corium is flowing down below the RPV's. That is a given now.
There is radioactive material on the ground, that is not good. Don't stand in it. The clean up will begin soon....why all the predictions of doom?
Actually, if you do a bit more reading..TEPCO had indicated that the plant may have been compromised before the tsunami.
Given their history, it is quite possible their safety measures..or lack thereof... contributed to this mess.
but, you think what you want.
The issue is that there is a chunk of land uninhabitable for at least 30 years if things work out.If they don’t give it 50 years to a century for there to be people living there again.
“Fun to see the spin by one of the MSM in Japan. Now they are all saying core meltdown, complete core meltdown, we knew from the beginning, we knew in March. It’s hysterically comical.
Particularly hilarious is Haruki Madarame, who now basically says “we knew that”, while he was the one who told the PM on March 12, “Don’t worry, the nuclear reactor doesn’t break.”
Yes, there were nuclear experts and independent journalists in Japan and around the world who said it was a meltdown, and they were attacked by the government and the MSM like Asahi as “fear-mongering”. I thought so too, after reading the entries on wiki on Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and corium, among others.
But it isn’t true until the official, government-approved sources say so, and it is now, after more than 2 months: complete core meltdown in all three operating Reactors at Fukushima I.
What’s next? Recriticality, maybe, announced in two months or so?
Quick and dirty translation, subject to later revision.”
Kind of like a very few people here who suspected what was taking place..but were attacked relentlessly on this forum...
Just reporting reality. You have a problem with reality ? Beginning to think I was somehow transferred to an alternate universe, while I was driving through a massive West Texas wildfire a few months ago. The smoke, fire and tumbleweeds went on for hours. In this new alternate universe, exploding nuclear reactor buildings are nothing to worry about.
Yea, and that chunk of land around Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been uninhabited since we dropped bombs on them, right?
What’s that? Oh, I’m not going to get some future real estate as bargain-basement prices?
At TMI, they also had hundreds of thousands of gallons of cooling water in the concrete structure below the vessel as well.
I still don’t see any three-headed people in eastern PA.
there never was a doubt the jamapanese were lying. They always lied at that power plant.
The only new information is the when they knew.
They voted for Obama....coincidence?
I can relate to that.....having seen it myself. I can't relate to people on FR that believe what is going on in Japan is anything more than a localized disaster. It's the same as the Texas/Oklahoma wildfires....not something you want to endure....but recoverable from a residents standpoint......frankly the Texas/Oklahoma wildfires have killed more people that the "nuclear meltdown" you are so worried about.
Was Fukushima a China Syndrome?
“Eight months after the Three Mile Island accident, “an Oak Ridge National Laboratory scientist declared, ‘Little, if any, fuel melting occurred, even though the reactor core was uncovered. The safety systems functioned reliably.’ A few years later, robotic sorties into the area revealed that half the core — not ‘little, if any’ — had melted down.””
Btw, the core in Reaction 1 melted down before the venting and the explosion..imagine what was released when those two events happened.
The readings at the actual plant,not to mention within the reactors should be something else entirely.
The Tsunami killed 30,000 or so.....what's the toll for the radiation? Make sure to link it....
And I can’t relate or even fathom people that are so clueless as to think Fukushima is a localized disaster.
The ramifications are mind boggling.
I suspect lurking behind the reluctant release of info from the beginning ..in a small part..had to do with credit default swaps and the unwinding of yen carry trades.
Japan MUST have trade surplus because of their leverage.
I repeat..MUST have trade surplus.
They are the second highest foreign owner of our debt.
A big portion of their Government Bonds are held by Japanese corporations.
The financial ramifications are huge.
And NO it does not just effect Japan.
Remember the banking crisis????
It didn’t just effect the US.
In case you find any of their data interesting:
By all means, if you think radiation isn’t a problem ..go live in a house by Fukushima and eat the fish and the produce etc.
I can’t relate to your cluelessness.
This is a HUGE event for the entire world.
But keep your blinders on...
Or perhaps you just don’t understand global economic ramifications...
I'll ask you again. What is the death count from the Fukushima "melt downs".
Let's fire up those coal plants and hunt for whales once again.
If you want to get rid of nuclear; let's hear your solutions for generating abundant; inexpensive electricity?
Because the rest of world is leaving us in the dust:
And don't forget coal:
For those that are clueless about global ramications...
let’s look at Japan’s debt....BEFORE any real conseqence of this disaster.
Remember..this country has a huge chunk of OUR debt.
Now, if you can’t figure out how this DISASTER could have a domino effect...all over the world.
then you should actually do research before claiming Fukushima is a localized event.
Radiation is a problem, that's why people shouldn't be standing around in it.....hence the evacuation order. Nothing has happened at Fukushima that can't be cleaned. Really dudette, your whining is silly. If you want to worry about something, worry why Texas and Oklahoma are in biblical droughts and are burning.....sheesh.
We don’t know the amount of deaths. Let’s say it is 5 RIGHT NOW. Radiation effects are long term.
But say 5
The difference in numbers is not a determination that it is some small event.
I cannot fathom such idiocy.
Just keep your blinders on instead of educating yourself.
Using that same line of idiotic thinking....the droughts are no big deal..because..Hey it will eventually rain.
It will rain a lot sooner than Japan can be cleaned up.
Or how about...the fires will go out. So what if everything is burned to the ground. They can rebuild right away.
Your line of reasoning is idiotic.
Another “sneak attack” no less.
Well....I can now see why you are so worried about it. Just for the record, how many Americans died when Alabama was hit by the last tornado outbreak a few weeks ago....? Perspective is an awesome mediator....
“The fuel is slag in the bottom of a containment vessel...”
I seriously doubt it. The fuel rods melt at >2000F, whereas the containment vessel is rated to <800F.
Tornadoes don’t have Cesium 137 and a 30-year half life.
LOL! Google up Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Hehe. I guess water, dirt and bulldozers are unheard of in the treehouse you live in. Please.....go tell it to your lawyer.