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Will Wisconsin Democrats/union thugs "victory" over 18 nuns turn pyrrhic in November?
Coach is Right ^ | 5/16/2011 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 05/16/2011 1:32:56 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax

Edited on 05/16/2011 1:41:40 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

pyrrhic victory: “a victory with devastating cost to the victor; it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.”

As the recount to determine the winner of the April 5th Wisconsin State

Supreme Court election drags on the Democrat/union coalition representing loser JoAnne Kloppenburg has sunk to a new low even for them.

The wild eyed socialists engineered the disenfranchisement of 18 Roman Catholic nuns by seeing to the rejection of their absentee ballots.

The Left is heavily invested in winning this election so being 7200 votes behind does nothing to curb their appetite for this kind despicable pettiness.

How petty was this stunt?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; kloppenburg; recount; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 05/16/2011 1:33:07 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

PLEASE CLICK “HOME” ON COACH IS RIGHT SITE FOR REMAINDER OF ARTICLE.


2 posted on 05/16/2011 1:35:02 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

The link does not seem to work.


3 posted on 05/16/2011 1:36:13 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Oldpuppymax

Nothing is too petty for the Dems.


4 posted on 05/16/2011 1:36:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
When the Democrats were fighting Indiana over voter ID they attempted to USE 18 elderly nuns as an example of those who would be disinfranchised if IDs were required.

The Democrats are so screwy they don't even attempt to make things consistent ~

5 posted on 05/16/2011 1:39:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Oh, they are consistent all right. They are consistent in doing whatever it takes to ensure their own self interest whether or not something is wrong or illegal, it is right if it furthers their own self interest.


6 posted on 05/16/2011 1:46:19 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Oldpuppymax

Pretty petty


7 posted on 05/16/2011 1:56:09 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

It might have been nice if the Coach had given us the details on why the votes were rejected. Nuns are good folks, but they have to follow the rules just like the rest of us. Democrats are snarkey and irreligious, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be right once in a while (broken clock syndrome). I find it hard to get worked up about this based on the lack of hard information.


8 posted on 05/16/2011 1:58:44 PM PDT by blau993
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To: muawiyah
To be intelligent is to have some sort of intellectual framework with which events, ideas, goals, and problem solving come about as a result of applying truth and structured thought to the concern. Such results when structured truth is used to navigate an end, it stays resolved or finished. When dishonesty coupled with emotional based problem solving takes place, no problem ever gets solved or is brought to conclusion. They just get amped up or amped down based on emotional pandering.

Librals have to fall from grace. The amount of unfinished work just becomes way too exponential for them and for the expense of spending all that money from the public treasury to go backwards.

9 posted on 05/16/2011 2:00:59 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Oldpuppymax

If disenfranchising military personnel hasn’t done in the RATS, how can 18 nuns do it?


10 posted on 05/16/2011 2:02:36 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: All

I see no reason to ever give benefit of the doubt to Dems...


11 posted on 05/16/2011 2:02:37 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Oldpuppymax

The power and influence of religious faith on masses is the biggest impediment to the spread and entrenchment of the neo-soicialist world-goverment master plan which requires replacement of the faith in God w/ faith in big brother world government.

This conundrum (or nut to crack) for the proponents of big brother world government applies even to Islam (perhaps even more so as I will explain). In a way Islam is a bigger detriment to big brother world-gov. plans than even Christianity as it has become clear that it is infinitely harder to subdue and/or replace Islamic faith (fervor) on the masses in the East than it has been Christianity in the west.

So perhaps, for good or bad, Islam too is another wall of containment from the spread and establishment of big brother world government


12 posted on 05/16/2011 2:03:02 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Oldpuppymax
I may be wrong, but I think that article was satire written to show the level to which democrats, progressives, liberals, union goons, etc. will sink to force their ideas upon us.

I hope I right. If it actually occurred, then we're in deeper trouble than I anticipated.

13 posted on 05/16/2011 2:07:31 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ain’t this thing over with yet?


14 posted on 05/16/2011 2:11:33 PM PDT by woofer
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To: livius

I had a friend here in Wisconsin whose husband is a teacher. When I (being from Chicago) mentioned that the union thugs had come here to win at any price, she walked out on the coffee group, calling me an “old bat”. I have never seen such vitriol in my life and the desire to win at any price.

Then I think of the taxes listed on my real estate tax bill and when I see that most of my $l7,000 real estate tax goes to public sector workers, I get furious! I can’t afford dental insurance, but she has it. I can’t afford vision insurance, but she has it, and she will have it the rest of her life!


15 posted on 05/16/2011 2:12:44 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: MondoQueen

With “friends” like her...


16 posted on 05/16/2011 2:16:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: cgchief

This article was not satire. I live in Wisconsin and I heard about it from someone I trust right after it happened. It seems that the election clerk took the ballots out to the convent, which is one of those where they never go out or speak much (contemplative, I think) and she got the nuns to fill out the absentee ballots because they can’t go to the polling place, and which the clerk has done at every election for 20 years. Then she sealed the bag and brought it back to the polling place, but some of the ballots did not have a signature. That is all there was to it.

If you can’t trust contemplative nuns, who can you trust?


17 posted on 05/16/2011 2:28:02 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: Oldpuppymax

Disgusting Marxists


18 posted on 05/16/2011 2:28:17 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: muawiyah

“The Democrats are so screwy they don’t even attempt to make things consistent “

The Democrats are about arbitrary rule. If they attempt make things consistent, then the next thing you know the American people will expect rule of law. How can the Dems expect to get away with voter intimidation, union thuggery, or running guns to Mexican drug cartels when they’re constantly harrassed by all these “laws”.


19 posted on 05/16/2011 2:29:35 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: cgchief
It's not satire. It actually happened a few weeks ago.

The story is that the nuns failed to fill in the witnesses section on the ballot. The kicker is that the same registrar person has been handling the nuns' ballots for years and attests that it is them (they are cloistered).

Still, the Klopp campaign had the ballots tossed out.

-PJ

20 posted on 05/16/2011 2:31:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: cgchief
It's not satire. It actually happened a few weeks ago.

The story is that the nuns failed to fill in the witnesses section on the ballot. The kicker is that the same registrar person has been handling the nuns' ballots for years and attests that it is them (they are cloistered).

Still, the Klopp campaign had the ballots tossed out.

-PJ

21 posted on 05/16/2011 2:32:21 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I just don’t get it.

On election night, when Klopp had a razor thin lead of 204 votes, she declared victory. A margin of 204 votes was good enough for her to be confident of victory.

But when the revised totals showed her 7000+ votes behind, then all of a sudden, there is a need for recounts, and the Dems. have not ruled out legal action, when this recount confirms her loss, whenever that officially happens.

So, a margin of 200+ votes is enough to declare victory, but a margin of 7000+ votes requires a recount.


22 posted on 05/16/2011 2:40:25 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: muawiyah

No, and nuns actually can provide IDs. Unlike most Dem voters.


23 posted on 05/16/2011 2:50:05 PM PDT by livius
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To: Oldpuppymax

The ballots were not witnessed and they were supposed to be, because they were mailed in.

This was not caught until after the votes were tallied.

Then they randomly took 18 votes out of the mix, in an area heavily in favor of the incumbent, thus, in all likelihood skewing the vote toward the weird lady, especially if the votes of the nuns were assumed to be for the challenger.

This practice of counting these votes has gone on for years with no one in the past ever demanding compliance with the law.

It is only important now, because they nuns votes went into the mix, but 18 random votes came out. Therefore, I am certain the incumbent lost at least a few votes, but who will ever know?


24 posted on 05/16/2011 2:54:49 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: MondoQueen
when I see that most of my $l7,000 real estate tax goes to public sector workers, I get furious!

Wow! We're going to end up like Europe. I speak Spanish and visit a few Spanish blogs, and one of them had some details: the average European private-industry employee wage is 640 euros, while that of the "public servant" is 3000 euros.

In some cases the salary of an average "funcionario" (civil servant) is as much as 6000 euros per month. So that means that civil servants are earning between 5 amd 10x what an average Spaniard earns.

Guess Bambi wants to install that here, too. I heard today that the "stimulus" created 400,000 municipal and state jobs...and prevented or cost 1 million private industry jobs.

25 posted on 05/16/2011 2:57:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: Dilbert San Diego

This is ridiculous. They can’t determine how the nuns voted so they:

Because canvassers were unable to match the actual ballots to the voter, they took all 24 absentee ballots from the Town of Sumpter and randomly drew 18, which were then set aside and not counted. Of those ballots, Prosser had 14 while Kloppenburg had four.

They are trying to disqualify 2 in Waukesha County for same reason.

This is all about the stall, so that they file a lawsuit and try to delay Prosser from taking his seat on the supreme court.

The rats are poor losers and are willing to do anything to cause trouble and expense for taxpayers.

The rats don’t want to lose their money/ campaign contributions from the unions.


26 posted on 05/16/2011 3:01:02 PM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

This is ridiculous. They can’t determine how the nuns voted so they:

Because canvassers were unable to match the actual ballots to the voter, they took all 24 absentee ballots from the Town of Sumpter and randomly drew 18, which were then set aside and not counted. Of those ballots, Prosser had 14 while Kloppenburg had four.

They are trying to disqualify 2 in Waukesha County for same reason.

This is all about the stall, so that they file a lawsuit and try to delay Prosser from taking his seat on the supreme court.

The rats are poor losers and are willing to do anything to cause trouble and expense for taxpayers.

The rats don’t want to lose their money/ campaign contributions from the unions.


27 posted on 05/16/2011 3:01:55 PM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: blau993
It might have been nice if the Coach had given us the details on why the votes were rejected

The 18 nuns, a cloistered order, voted absentee. The city clerk delivered and picked up their ballots as usual and fed them into the machine. It turned out that NONE of them had had their ballots witnessed (the rule for absentee votes here).

The clerk said that they always allowed these ladies to vote this way (which is against the rules, BTW). Per the rules (since the ballots had already been counted) the canvassers removed the nuns' ballots, as well as all other absentees (24 in all) from the total number of ballots cast. Since nobody can actually identify an absentee ballot after it has been cast, the canvassers just removed 24 random ballots.

28 posted on 05/16/2011 3:13:49 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ADSUM
Because canvassers were unable to match the actual ballots to the voter, they took all 24 absentee ballots from the Town of Sumpter and randomly drew 18, which were then set aside and not counted. Of those ballots, Prosser had 14 while Kloppenburg had four.

Wouldn't a better procedure be to determine if the number of votes for any particular candidate was greater than the number of valid absentee votes, and discount the number of votes for that candidate by that number? In this case, it would seem there were six valid absentee votes, so no candidate could have legitimately gotten more than six votes.

29 posted on 05/16/2011 3:39:48 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: MondoQueen

Since there is rarely any credible opposition to Rat rule in Chicago we don’t see the vitriol since they win in landslides.


30 posted on 05/16/2011 6:07:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks for the explanation.

Having heard the explanation, I can't get too worked up about this. In recounts, the talliers always look to see if Is were dotted and Ts were crossed, and in the case of the nuns, that apparently was not the case. The fact that they "always" voted that way wouldn't make any difference. However, I don't see why that would result in all the absentee ballots being removed from the total, and I don't like the idea of randomly removing ballots that very likely were properly cast. However, it is unlikely to make any difference in the outcome, and hopefully the good sisters will cast their absentee ballots properly in the future.

31 posted on 05/17/2011 5:53:34 AM PDT by blau993
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To: blau993

Having voted absentee myself many times and also working “the other side of the desk” as an elections inspecter, I have to say that the instructions on handling the absentee ballots are confusing. I always double check with my clerk to make sure all the paperwork is properly filled out.

I blame the city clerk for this error. She should know better. According to the articles I’ve read, she personally (or her deputy) picked up the ballots from the convent. She should have checked the outside of the ballot envelope before she accepted them. The excuse that the “always do it this way” is pretty lame, in my personal opinion.

The fact that this is a cloistered order probably complicates this process. How do you say, “Sister, will you witness my ballot?” if you can’t talk?


32 posted on 05/17/2011 10:44:46 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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