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LED bulbs hit 100 watts as federal ban looms
Associated Press ^ | 16 May 2011 | Peter Svensson

Posted on 05/16/2011 5:49:24 PM PDT by verum ago

NEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs. The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven.

To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012. Conventional light bulbs don't meet those goals, so the law will prohibit making or importing them. The same rule will start apply to remaining bulbs 40 watts and above in 2014. Since January, California has already banned stores from restocking 100-watt incandescent bulbs.

Creating good alternatives to the light bulb has been more difficult than expected, especially for the very bright 100-watt bulbs. Part of the problem is that these new bulbs have to fit into lamps and ceiling fixtures designed for older technology.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; energy; govtabuse; greens; incandescent; led; lightbulbs; tyranny
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No, your eyes are not deceiving you. You just read "about $50 each" in reference to the 100 watt LED bulbs that the government is about to shove down your throat.

Just...

...wow.
1 posted on 05/16/2011 5:49:26 PM PDT by verum ago
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To: verum ago

How many politicians does it take to screw up a light bulb? ...The economy? ...Anything?


2 posted on 05/16/2011 5:51:28 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (Learn what is really going on with taxpayers $$ (Fed & Congr) Read The Creature from Jekyll Island)
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To: verum ago

The LED tech really isn’t ready yet, as the price shows. Eventually, LED will be a great alternative. Unless you have a commercial application for LED, it makes no sense for anyone.


3 posted on 05/16/2011 5:51:40 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: verum ago

Way to ban something before its replacement is in place.


4 posted on 05/16/2011 5:54:12 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: verum ago

That $50 bulb might last several liftimes, however, which is worth considering.


5 posted on 05/16/2011 5:54:49 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: verum ago

The GOP could make up for a few of its missteps by voting to repeal the incandescent light bulb ban.


6 posted on 05/16/2011 5:54:52 PM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: verum ago

WTF.

I am SO SICK of this government telling us what to do, when to do it, and how to do it.

Eff this.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 5:55:14 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: verum ago
Start hoarding folks. Once again, the gubermint is creating unintended consequences.

IMO you don't need a 100-watt traditional bulb anyway. Buy the 60 watt bulbs.

8 posted on 05/16/2011 5:55:34 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous epochs in history, where the USA actually bans a technology that is not actually dangerous, and in fact had developed more energy-efficient forms before the summary ban. What makes it worse is that this is a mirror of the European Union's own summary ban; in fact, in Germany back in January, the Polizei actually raided a place and confiscated incandescent bulbs that were being sold as "heat balls" to circumvent the sick ban.
9 posted on 05/16/2011 5:55:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: verum ago

$500 government hammers don’t sound quite as bad when light bulbs are $50.


10 posted on 05/16/2011 5:56:38 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: verum ago
That will be the day when I drop $50 on a light bulb and the fixture isn't attached. There are going to be riots when people realize what is happening to their 50 cent bulbs.


11 posted on 05/16/2011 5:57:18 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: verum ago

Greetings verum ago:
We tried one of these LED lamps replacing an outdoor night light. The CFL lasted about three years. We’ll see how the LED holds up. This incandescent ban is going to make it difficult to keep newborn livestock warm.
Cheers,
OLA


12 posted on 05/16/2011 5:57:23 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Way to ban something before its replacement is in place.

Like oil and coal?

13 posted on 05/16/2011 5:57:29 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: verum ago
Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals

Someone needs to tell this journo school grad that the bulbs don't produced 100 Watts of light. They consume 100 Watts of power. Not the same thing.

14 posted on 05/16/2011 5:59:11 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: verum ago

How reliable is it? An LED will not run directly off of AC. It is a low voltage DC device.


15 posted on 05/16/2011 5:59:53 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: verum ago
We use LED lights from C. Crane, Inc., in places where the bulbs are hard to change. They are nominally rated at 30,000 hours, that's 15 years at 8 hours per day, so I don't expect to have to replace them any time soon. And, the what heavy metals they have in them are not going to leak, as with the CF bulbs.
16 posted on 05/16/2011 6:00:07 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: verum ago
Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals

Now, where in the hell is that written in our Constitution? Just where in the hell does congress get off telling us what to do in our homes with our lightbulbs? It's absurd.

This has got to stop. "Penumbra, 3 quarts per flush, privacy, abortion, seat belts, children's car seats, worthless and highly dangerous lightbulbs" . . . Good God! Where do these ba$tards get off telling us what to do without any authority whatsoever to do so?

Believe me, my wife and I are stockpiling "normal" lightbulbs so we'll have some for a long long time before the feds break down our door. Therefore, it sure sounds like we'll be breaking a federal law in a year or two. We will be lawbreakers. Can you believe this? It's insanity!

17 posted on 05/16/2011 6:00:38 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: verum ago
Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat.

I heat my home 8 months out of the year. Who is the gov't to say this heat is "wasted?",p>

18 posted on 05/16/2011 6:01:45 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: verum ago
But, he said, "it's not necessarily clear to people in the lighting industry that LED chips were ever meant to go into a bulb." What's really needed, he said, is a new approach to lighting — new fixtures and lamps that spread out the LEDs, avoiding the heat problem.

Yep, the whole world of lighting will be changing in a few years, bulbs will mostly disappear as we duplicate daylight in both large and small areas in a home.

19 posted on 05/16/2011 6:02:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: achilles2000
The LED tech really isn’t ready yet, as the price shows

The technology is fine - there just aren't enough factories mass-producing the bulbs yet. The price is going to come way down in the next couple of years.

20 posted on 05/16/2011 6:03:07 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: verum ago

I paid 300.00 for my first caculator a desk model, two years later a Texas instrument pocket model cost 35.00. Today about two to five dollars for a pocket model.


21 posted on 05/16/2011 6:03:37 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SubMareener

The point isn’t that this isn’t a good product, or even that they aren’t economic in some applications.

It’s that our Federal Dictators have forgotten who is the master and who is the servant.


22 posted on 05/16/2011 6:04:08 PM PDT by DManA
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To: verum ago

I don’t know where they are getting this $50 figure. You can buy them now for less than $20. Are they expensive yea, but you could leave them on continually for 20 years before they would burn out.


23 posted on 05/16/2011 6:05:17 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: verum ago

It is going to be really dark in the poor;s homes. The poor vote their own pain.


24 posted on 05/16/2011 6:05:50 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: verum ago

Oh no!

I’ll have no way to make a cake, if I can’t use my Hasbro Easy Bake Oven.

Oh, the humanity!


25 posted on 05/16/2011 6:06:21 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: dhs12345

The LED will last 100 years but the cheap made in China AC/DC converter will crap out in less than a year. /s


26 posted on 05/16/2011 6:06:34 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: verum ago

“Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat.”

Except during winter and in cooler climates where the heat is, well, HEAT.

Idiots.


27 posted on 05/16/2011 6:07:12 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: verum ago

I heard of some northern town who put LEDs into their traffic lights. Only problem was that the fixtures RELY on incandescent heat to melt the snow. They lost all their savings when they had to send out humans to clear off the snow off the new LED-laced fixtures.


28 posted on 05/16/2011 6:07:44 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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I never thought I would be hoarding light bulbs like I live in Cuba or North Korea.


29 posted on 05/16/2011 6:07:57 PM PDT by HectorOne
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To: verum ago

Watts..... Lumens......


30 posted on 05/16/2011 6:08:32 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: The Duke
That $50 bulb might last several liftimes

I was going to say that. You can get LEDs for your car now, and they are not real expensive. You see them on big trucks all the time.

I think the real cost driver is in making the DC-transformer and LED assembly small enough to replace a traditional incandescent bulb.

31 posted on 05/16/2011 6:08:40 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month...April.)
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To: achilles2000
Eventually, LED will be a great alternative.

I agree. Eventually. And the market should have decided when that would be.
32 posted on 05/16/2011 6:08:48 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: verum ago

Take a look at a night time image of North and South Korea.

The marxists consider North Korea to be a model state and want to turn us into that.

And they’re succeeding...


33 posted on 05/16/2011 6:08:58 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
How do they get the same intensity — bunches of LEDs? Also, is there some kind of AD/DC conversion which contributes to the loss in reliability.

And how do the maintain uniform intensity. LEDs have a viewing angle, etc.

And LED intensity fades over time.

34 posted on 05/16/2011 6:09:14 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: verum ago
No, your eyes are not deceiving you. You just read "about $50 each" in reference to the 100 watt LED bulbs that the government is about to shove down your throat.

Not down my throat. I have a lifetime supply of incandescents. In about 3 months, I will never have to buy another light bulb the rest of my life.
35 posted on 05/16/2011 6:09:27 PM PDT by microgood
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To: The Duke
That $50 bulb might last several liftimes, however, which is worth considering.

Then again, it might not.

36 posted on 05/16/2011 6:09:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: verum ago
I've been wondering for a while now: The price of incandescents have plummeted. With these prices, is it cheaper to purchase them and replace them more often than required with the CFLs? Is it now cheaper to use the traditional light bulbs, even if they give off more heat? Any thoughts are appreciated!
37 posted on 05/16/2011 6:11:11 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: verum ago

Several problems with LED bulbs.

They are very expensive.

The transformers they are building in the bases of the bulbs are often poorly made, and will rust if exposed to moisture.

The bulbs tend to lose their brightness quickly. A LED bulb won’t burn out, but it quickly becomes so dim you will need a flashlight to find it. They are guaranteed not to burn out, but that doesn’t cover dimming.


38 posted on 05/16/2011 6:13:46 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I am skeptical. I haven't seen an LED that can come close to an incandescent bulb in intensity.

Sure seems like another one of those half baked ideas that the Feds have come up with and will force Americans to use.

39 posted on 05/16/2011 6:14:00 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

2 sixties in a Y adapter... ‘til they’re outlawed too.


40 posted on 05/16/2011 6:14:04 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: gitmo

Agreed! So they use a transformer... how to the get the 1VDC or so? Seems half baked to me.


41 posted on 05/16/2011 6:16:19 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Mr. Jeeves

There are also component and manufacturing engineering technology issues. It isn’t just a lack of factories.


42 posted on 05/16/2011 6:16:37 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: dhs12345
Sure seems like another one of those half baked ideas that the Feds have come up with and will force Americans to use.

That's exactly what it is. There's no question that LED lighting technology will continue to improve and economies of scale will make LED bulbs affordable in several years. But we aren't there yet, and the government has no business banning the cheaper, time-tested incandescent bulb.
43 posted on 05/16/2011 6:18:31 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: achilles2000
Manufacturing issues?
44 posted on 05/16/2011 6:19:10 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: achilles2000
There are some niche applications where LED bulbs are cost efficient. For instance, I own a house not connected to the grid. Use of LED bulbs allows me to use a smaller solar array and fewer storage batteries.

But the government can no more order scientific discovery than King Canute could order out the tide.

45 posted on 05/16/2011 6:19:22 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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LEDs are ideal in circumstances where it’s a major operation to replace a burned out bulb. Traffic lights are a good example.


46 posted on 05/16/2011 6:20:11 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
IMO you don't need a 100-watt traditional bulb anyway. Buy the 60 watt bulbs.

It isn't really a matter of what I "need". I want the 100s so that's what I'm hoarding.

I'm not as much into it as some here, I'm not hoarding thousands but I do have more than a hundred. I use the screw tailed bulbs in places but for some areas, I want the old 100 watt.

47 posted on 05/16/2011 6:20:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Bryan24
Exactly. Or how many watts to produce x lumens? Efficiency.
48 posted on 05/16/2011 6:20:42 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

At 50 bucks a pop I would need to list who gets them in my will...


49 posted on 05/16/2011 6:20:42 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Danae

Buy every incandescent you can find. Lowes still has some...bargain prices too.

I almost have enough for the rest ofmy life.

dittos: eff this...and them.


50 posted on 05/16/2011 6:21:00 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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