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High court sides with police in warrantless search case from Kentucky
AP ^ | May 16, 2011 | AP

Posted on 05/16/2011 10:01:20 PM PDT by Fitzy_888

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled against a Kentucky man who was arrested after police burst into his apartment without a search warrant because they smelled marijuana and feared he was trying to get rid of incriminating evidence.

Voting 8-1, the justices reversed a Kentucky Supreme Court ruling that threw out the evidence gathered when officers entered Hollis King's apartment.

The court said there was no violation of King's constitutional rights because the police acted reasonably. Only Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented.

Officers knocked on King's door in Lexington and thought they heard noises that indicated whoever was inside was trying to get rid of incriminating evidence.

Justice Samuel Alito said in his opinion for the court that people have no obligation to respond to the knock or, if they do open the door, allow the police to come in. In those cases, officers who wanted to gain entry would have to persuade a judge to issue a search warrant.

But Alito said, "Occupants who choose not to stand on their constitutional rights but instead elect to attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame."

In her dissent, Ginsburg said her colleagues were giving police an easy way to routinely avoid getting warrants in drug cases.

"Police officers may now knock, listen, then break the door down, never mind that they had ample time to obtain a warrant," she said.

The case concerned exceptions to the Fourth Amendment requirement that police need a warrant to enter a home.

The issue was whether warrantless entry was justified after the officers' knock on the door triggered a reaction inside that sounded like the destruction of evidence.

An odd set of facts led to Monday's ruling.

Police were only at King's apartment building because they were chasing a man who sold cocaine to a police informant. The man entered King's building and ducked into an apartment. The officers heard a door slam in a hallway, but by the time they were able to look down it, they saw only two closed doors.

They didn't know which one the suspect had gone through, but, smelling burnt pot, chose the apartment on the left.

In fact, the suspect had gone into the apartment on the right. Police eventually arrested him, too, but prosecutors later dropped charges against him for reasons that were not explained in court papers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; brighamcity; ginsburg; govtabuse; scotus; search; tyranny; warrant
Don't flush the toilet or rustle the newspaper if you hear a knock at the door!

Combine this story with the following and we can write off the Fourth Amendment in just a weeks time:

Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home By Dan Carden | Friday, May 13, 2011   INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.

1 posted on 05/16/2011 10:01:27 PM PDT by Fitzy_888
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To: Fitzy_888

I just looked out my window. No flying pigs.

But I am in agreement with Ginsburg. For the first time in my life.


2 posted on 05/16/2011 10:03:42 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Fitzy_888

Anyone who thinks SCOTUS is on our side, needs a wake up call


3 posted on 05/16/2011 10:10:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
the new LEO testimony in court will be - I heard what sounded like the destruction of evidence taking place, This ruling is very troubling.
4 posted on 05/16/2011 10:13:10 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Fitzy_888

Cops can now just lie and say they believed they heard sounds that may have been evidence being destroyed or gotten rid of.

There’s the free ticket to do whatever the hell they want.

Anyone can yell police too. Lots of home invaders have done that impersonating while busting into a house.


5 posted on 05/16/2011 10:13:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Cops have been murdering people for years and simply lying about it to justify the shoot, “I thought he wad reaching for a weapon”, has been the get out of jail phrase for many years now.

The Gestapo would be very proud of modern US police officers...


6 posted on 05/16/2011 10:17:27 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Fitzy_888

The issue turns upon whom the court sees as holding unalienable rights ... and it certainly isn’t the home owner in their minds. Relate this to the subPreme court ruling in which private property can be taken by a municipality and sold to another private party so that more taxes can be collected from the new owner/owner’s enterprise. The We The People Republic is dead. The sooner we the people face that, the sooner we will begin to understand the tide of changed perspective upon ‘inalienable rights’.


7 posted on 05/16/2011 10:26:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Fitzy_888

Follows a judgement by Wisconsin that the police can come into anyone’s home without a warrant. Things are getting out of hand here folks...


8 posted on 05/16/2011 10:57:41 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Fitzy_888
But Alito said, "Occupants who choose not to stand on their constitutional rights but instead elect to attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame."

Constitutional rights? Huh? What the heck is he talking about?

In this same decision, even in the same sentence(!) it's not hard to see support for the breaking down of doors by police to gain entry. So much for the Constitution. He just be-shat it.

Is the need to arrest someone for drug possession more important than the constitutional protections written to limit the powers of government?

Sam Alito says "yes".

Some think this man a conservative hero. To me it's plain that he can't get past his distaste for drug use, so is judging towards desired result. If he cannot differentiate between clear constitutional boundaries, and what powers he wishes government authorities to have, and which results he would personally like to see -- then I say -- he's a lousy judge, and a lousy American.

Why oh why does the need to arrest someone for drug use override the U.S. Constitution?

What an imbecilic excuse! I mean, if it's a drug user, and if it's really a problem with them, then there would be ample opportunity to catch them later.

Even when they are caught, unless someone is on probation, etc., what would the punishment be? A small fine in many locals, for simple possession of marijuana. Drug treatment programs, or the like. One can go to jail for it, but how necessary is that for the safety of the Republic?

I'm not a drug user at all myself...I don't even hardly drink alchohol (2 beers since one bottle of wine over the Holidays) but I know damn good and well that many people smoke "the stuff" without horribly harmful societal effects.

Not that I'm promoting that particular plant matter to be used or abused, but the comparison to the otherwise legally available alchohol does come to mind.

Which one really hurts society the worse?

Not that you personally would, but for others, please spare me the "it's a gateway drug" story. I wasn't born yesterday. I made it through the sixties. And the seventies...

9 posted on 05/16/2011 11:34:16 PM PDT by 7MMmag
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To: 7MMmag
Very well said!

You have just saved me the effort to put into words the same sentiments.

10 posted on 05/16/2011 11:43:13 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Borders, laws and language are what define us (USA) as a country. Let's guard them well.)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan; CourtneyLeigh; Just Kimberly; Knuckrider; MBohman; republicanbob1; jcwky; ...
A KENTUCKY PING!

11 posted on 05/16/2011 11:45:45 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: paul51

“the new LEO testimony in court will be - I heard what sounded like the destruction of evidence taking place”

Close. It will be: “I heard what sounded like the destruction of evidence taking place, so I broke down the door, shot the dog, reasonably mistook the remote in the homeowner’s hand for a gun, shot him 15 times, had to secure the area so EMS couldn’t come on scene for 1 1/4 hours (so sorry the homeowner bled out), but IA cleared me (shout out to my buddy and lead IA detective John!), and I get my medal for heroism on Thursday.”


12 posted on 05/16/2011 11:47:20 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: Fitzy_888

Some States do impose restrictions on Police Power Higher than the Supreme Court. I advise all to find out which ones and either move there or try to make your State on that that list. I’m Moving to Alaska they still have to have one there and I think MT and WA State.

I’m sure the Security Fence Intercom and Steel Enforced Industry is going to become a Very RICH!.

Since how can someone at a driveway gate intercom hear or smell anything at the door. And Judge ALito says the suspects could have said something and refused Entry trying to look at the bright points here.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 2:19:41 AM PDT by Gus221
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To: Fitzy_888

It is Good that Several States already impose restrictions on Police Power higher than the Supreme Court . In states where that is not the case.

I’m sure the Security Fence/Intercom and Steel re- Enforced/doors,etc will be booming. Especially since Judge Alito said you can speak up and assert your rights and refuse entry.

I know Alaska this will not effect they still have to get warrants even to search a car/house even if they smell it. I think MT and WA State will also be un affected now sure though.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 2:19:49 AM PDT by Gus221
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To: Fitzy_888

It’s a two headed snake. Conservatives have been used right along with Liberals as a means to an end...Fascism. As long as both Conservatives and Liberals have wanted gov’t to cater to what ‘they’ want the gov’t to do for them and the laws they want in place according to ones own bias, regardless of the Constitution, they had us all where they wanted us. Their(The Supremes) loyaltly is to the Corporate Constitution...yes, it is different than the Original. The Police State is a part of the Corporate Constitution.


15 posted on 05/17/2011 2:19:53 AM PDT by rosepetal2010 (The government is NOT your friend)
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To: Fitzy_888

Liberals on the court are killing us.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 2:24:53 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Fitzy_888

Nothing like forgetting the fact, in this case, that the cops were following a known drug dealer.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 3:06:55 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Fitzy_888

Wow. This is one of those rare times I disagree with the “conservatives” on the court. It’s unsettling.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 3:32:11 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: 7MMmag

There is also ample opportunity to go get a warrant.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 3:34:22 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Fitzy_888

For years we have been told that voting Republican was necessary, if for no other reason than who ends up on the SCOTUS.
This is proof that it really no longer matters. There are no more Constitutional Conservatives... only the Elites, and the rest of us.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 3:39:30 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: ez

Exactly. When have the police ever been in hot pursuit of a suspect to his house/apartment and then needed to enter before evidence is destroyed? Those two parts of the sequence just don’t fit together, any more than do “Justice” and “Department”.

I find it more than offensive that, according to SCOTUS, I am to assume that anyone breaking down my door is a police officer.


21 posted on 05/17/2011 3:49:39 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Deagle

“Follows a judgement by Wisconsin that the police can come into anyone’s home without a warrant.”

Indiana, not Wisconsin.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 4:14:04 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Fitzy_888

Black robed Terrorists! That’s what most of the judiciary is these days. Terrorists!!


23 posted on 05/17/2011 4:23:43 AM PDT by government is the beast (In the last century, an estimated 262 million people have been murderd by their own government)
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To: skinkinthegrass; sickoflibs
thanks skink...[sniff, sniff] "i think i smell pot" equals probable cause...always has, really...

we r screwed...

remind me why we vote again ???

24 posted on 05/17/2011 5:05:59 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: piytar

you forgot the ‘paid administrative leave’...


25 posted on 05/17/2011 5:07:22 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Fitzy_888

The more I see Liberals *and* Conservatives in action, the more I believe the Libertarians have it right.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 5:12:51 AM PDT by IamConservative (The Bin Laden Cocktail: 2 shots and a splash.)
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To: Gilbo_3; skinkinthegrass

I am not sure what to make of this case. It reminds me of the TV show Cops.

If you ever suspect you are a suspect in a crime, be very careful to understand your rights and what the police can do to get you concvicted. The police can say almost anything they want to you, tell you any lie, anything to get you to confess. They can tell you they have physical evidence that proves it was you, tell you that all your friends and family turned you in, and that they are your only friend now to help you.

While they can legally tell you any lie, if you contradict yourself while talking to them that in itself is a crime even if they cant prove the crime they are actually investigating.

If they dont arrest you they cant detain you. If they do you ask for a lawyer.


27 posted on 05/17/2011 5:31:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Fitzy_888

Threads like this make me want to change my tagline to “And what are you doing about it?”
Or my freepname to “Just Another Hotdogging Keyboarder.”
Butno! We are a Greek chorus blaming SCOTUS & POTUS rather than recognizing the flaw in the people who elected him and who enable the thanatizing of the nation.
POTUS? We are all POTUS. Pillowers of Terminal Uncle Sam.
Instead of torches and pitchforks, we attend the event with candles and feelgood songs.
And of course our keyboarding fingers.
Rant over. Resume doing nothing whatsoever.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 5:43:45 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: MHGinTN

Free speech is dying also. Don’t dare read the Bible in a public place. Of course, if you want to preach jihad against America on the New York street corner your rights are protected. America continues the slide downward.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 5:59:28 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: sickoflibs
be very careful to understand your rights and what the police can do to get you concvicted. ...

in all fairness sick, just how do you employ those 'Rights' when theyre at the door and demandin that you do what they say anyways ??? according to alito, the victim didnt resist in the proper fashion, so oh well, you lose...

If they dont arrest you they cant detain you. If they do you ask for a lawyer.

unless you have AV beamed to a remote location, its gettin to a point where its he said/she said...and the cop wins most of those since youre evidently a criminal, or they wouldnt be there in the first place...

comes a point where my havin to 'get a lawyer' to fight some bogus charge will take food outta the kids mouths, then just *maybe* officer friendlys family will hafta do without...officer friendly...

30 posted on 05/17/2011 6:04:00 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: GeronL

Lawyers are educated to protect the system, not the constitution!!!


31 posted on 05/17/2011 6:17:49 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: Fitzy_888
The slide into the police state continues. Don't trust what the media tells you about things like this. Read the opinions yourself.

Opinion - Alito

Dissent - Ginsberg

I haven't digested these myself.  I'm stunned at the prospect of agreeing with Ginsberg about anything.

32 posted on 05/17/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: org.whodat
Nothing like forgetting the fact, in this case, that the cops were following a known drug dealer.

Looking at the facts of the case. There was nothing at all that would have prevented the police from simply knocking on the doors in question, like any civilized person would. Of course civility is something we really don't expect from police any more.

33 posted on 05/17/2011 8:46:09 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Deagle

If the 4th Amendment is on life support or DOA my money is on the 5th and 2nd next for their target for termination.

Funny, if warrant less searches are now valid hasn’t a court just invalidated a major section of the Bill of Rights. Why do we now need the FISA courts? If a branch of government is out of control there are measures in the Constitution to rein them in provided the other branches have the courage to use them.

I have been pro-LEO all my life. My uncle is a retired cop of 30+ yrs. and brother in law currently a cop of 20+ yrs. However, at some point leo’s are going to have to decide who’s side they are on. Being a police officer is a fine and honorable profession, some of the best people I have ever known.

We are fast approaching a line in the realm of civil liberties and the police where individual officers are going to have to make some hard choices. Do they cross it? If they do they will become our version of the gestapo or KGB to be scorned and hated. I hope each officer will remember the oath they swore to the Constitution and act accordingly.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 9:02:09 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3
If they dont arrest you they cant detain you. If they do you ask for a lawyer.

Great advice...
better if you have "respect" for the Word of Law.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 9:26:04 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: Fitzy_888

I think this may be the first time ever that I’ve agreed with Ginsburg.


36 posted on 05/18/2011 4:49:44 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: zeugma

>I haven’t digested these myself. I’m stunned at the prospect of agreeing with Ginsberg about anything.

There was another case, where it was Ginsburg and [IIRC] Sotomayor that gave sensible dissent.
Something is MAJORLY f—ed up when the ‘looniest’ Justices are the most Constitutional... and, I think, it points to just how lawless the USSC (and the Government in-general) has become.


37 posted on 05/19/2011 6:22:41 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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