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Officials: NATO Clashes With Pakistani Troops
CNN ^ | May 17, 2011

Posted on 05/17/2011 6:46:04 AM PDT by Strategy

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) - A NATO jet and helicopters entered Pakistani airspace Tuesday starting an exchange of gunfire between coalition and Pakistani forces, Pakistani officials said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nato; obama; pakistan
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1 posted on 05/17/2011 6:46:11 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy

What happened to ‘You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists’?


2 posted on 05/17/2011 6:47:30 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Strategy

How sweet.....let’s send them our 3 billion dollars early this year...wadda ya say?


3 posted on 05/17/2011 6:48:13 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Strategy

Why the hell we ever embraced Pakistan over the far more civilized Indians will always elude me.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 6:50:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: AU72

What happened to ‘You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists’?


They answered it.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 6:52:33 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: Strategy

I think we don’t turn off the aid spigot until they shoot down one of our helps.


6 posted on 05/17/2011 6:52:50 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Strategy

I wish we would get back to national identity. This “NATO troops” stuff really annoys me. American troops, British troops, Australian troops, etc., signed up for their nation not a ‘treaty’ (IMO).

And let’s get back to identifying the enemy and killing the hell out of them (or blast em’ to hell, their choice).


7 posted on 05/17/2011 6:53:37 AM PDT by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: Strategy

Just like Saddam shooting at our Pilots in the UN ‘no-fly-zone’, do not let go on for 8 years, Clinton


8 posted on 05/17/2011 7:00:49 AM PDT by Son House (Finally, People Lie, Because They Feel If They Tell The Truth, They Won't Get What They Want.)
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To: Strategy

And how do they know it was the same jet that returned?


9 posted on 05/17/2011 7:02:50 AM PDT by Son House (Finally, People Lie, Because They Feel If They Tell The Truth, They Won't Get What They Want.)
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To: Never on my watch

NATO is an outdated, useless organization...


10 posted on 05/17/2011 7:03:04 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Never on my watch
operating on behalf of U.S. Forward Operating Base Tillman in Afghanistan were fired upon from the Pakistani side of the border

Agreed, state run media wishes to obscure using NATO and coalition terms
11 posted on 05/17/2011 7:12:02 AM PDT by Son House (Finally, People Lie, Because They Feel If They Tell The Truth, They Won't Get What They Want.)
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To: Lazamataz

India was somewhat loosely aligned with the Soviet Union, as I recall.

Having dangerous enemies can result in the selection of odd bedfellows. Just look at the USA and the Soviet Union in WWII.


12 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:16 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Strategy

This must be related to Obama’s close association with Haliburton.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 7:20:09 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Strategy

Not to be paranoid but there are thousands upon thousands of Pakistanis living in the Vancouver, BC area only 50 miles from our northern border. Fully documented makes for easy entry.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 7:48:47 AM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: AU72

That was part of The Evil Bush Doctrine. Under our new regime, it’s been changed to: “You are either with us, or we’ll apologize hoping that you decide to like us.”


15 posted on 05/17/2011 7:49:27 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Strategy

If Bush were president, he would be getting savaged in the media right now because this was all provoked by his “cowboy” move of going in and killing Bin Laden without getting Pakistani approval.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 7:49:54 AM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: Strategerist
If Bush were president, he would be getting savaged in the media right now because this was all provoked by his “cowboy” move of going in and killing Bin Laden without getting Pakistani approval.

Absolutely without question he would be!

No media bias there, move along...

17 posted on 05/17/2011 8:17:13 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rlmorel; Lazamataz

That is precisely so. And given the Cold War reality of a true existential threat with 30,000+ nukes and an explicitly stated goal of world domination, we took allies wherever we could.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 8:20:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Strategy

Oh great! Now we are at war with Pakistan. Thanks Barry.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 8:27:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Strategy

NATO troops = American soldiers.

The media just won’t tell the truth.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 8:37:55 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Strategy
Wait. What? I thought Obama said they were our ally in the war on terror against Al Queda?
21 posted on 05/17/2011 8:46:53 AM PDT by newzjunkey (David Gregory looks simian to me.)
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To: newzjunkey
I thought Obama said they were our ally in the war overseas contingency operations against Al Queda?
22 posted on 05/17/2011 9:08:19 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Strategy

Seems our ‘frienemy’ still has ruffled feathers.


23 posted on 05/17/2011 9:10:59 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: Lazamataz

India hated Britain because of the colonial experience, and the Soviets anti-colonial rhetoric appealed to them. When Pakistan was partitioned out of India, they jumped at the United States’ offer of alliance. Of course, now that Islamism has creeped into the government, it’s not so much a good idea anymore.


24 posted on 05/17/2011 9:32:52 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Strategy
A NATO jet and helicopters entered Pakistani airspace Tuesday starting an exchange of gunfire between coalition and Pakistani forces, Pakistani officials said.

How dare Pakistan defend its sovereign airspace! I demand that Obama launch another trillion dollar undeclared war on a country with nuclear weapons and close military ties with China and Russia. That's what the Globalists want so it must be good for America.

25 posted on 05/17/2011 9:47:26 AM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: Lazamataz
Why the hell we ever embraced Pakistan over the far more civilized Indians will always elude me.

Extortion money.
26 posted on 05/17/2011 9:59:48 AM PDT by crosshairs (Say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving north.)
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To: Strategy

What happened to Moveon.org feigning concern over overextended US troops?


27 posted on 05/17/2011 10:18:18 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Roninf5-1

They have sided with America’s enemies in the war. You taunt the bull, you get the horns.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 10:22:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Strategy

War #4?


29 posted on 05/17/2011 10:26:06 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: AppyPappy
Call me a skeptic. No report of anyone hurt. Phony setup to sell to the the Paki Sheeple that they mean business about their sovereignty in light of the UBL fiasco.
30 posted on 05/17/2011 10:30:50 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: AppyPappy
Call me a skeptic. No report of anyone hurt. Phony setup to sell to the the Paki Sheeple that they mean business about their sovereignty in light of the UBL fiasco.
31 posted on 05/17/2011 10:31:00 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21

Could be. That’s what I would do.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 10:33:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: rlmorel
Having dangerous enemies can result in the selection of odd bedfellows.

No kidding. There was a time we considered Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden our allies.

33 posted on 05/17/2011 10:36:48 AM PDT by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: joe fonebone

Figleaf since 1948.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 10:39:59 AM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: Strategy
Officials: NATO US Clashes With Pakistani Troops

Fixed...

35 posted on 05/17/2011 10:40:33 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Eleutheria5

They found that playing Rambo is actually quite fun.


36 posted on 05/17/2011 10:42:00 AM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: Strategy

Kill ‘em all. Send the 3 billion in warheads. It’s time these idiots learned. ODERINT DUM METUANT!


37 posted on 05/17/2011 11:07:53 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Lazamataz

Because the socialist Indians [read:Nehru and the Congress Party] were in love, and bed, with the U.S.S.R.


38 posted on 05/17/2011 11:09:17 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Tallguy

Sure. Especially when all you have to do is take credit for what other people do.


39 posted on 05/17/2011 11:09:58 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Nachoman

Relatively speaking, that could probably be true.

I’m thinking of two guys: “I hate your frikking guts, and if we get out of this alive, I am going to kick your butt...”


40 posted on 05/17/2011 11:09:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: joe fonebone

Just how far is Pakiland from the NORTH ATLANTIC? I gotta get a bigger map.


41 posted on 05/17/2011 11:11:11 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Strategy

So it begins.

How long before Iranian missiles from Venezuela are raining down on the US Gulf Coast?


42 posted on 05/17/2011 11:48:45 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PzLdr
They were not, but that's what the US would like to believe because they made the wrong choice and are unable to reverse it.
43 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:32 AM PDT by ravager
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To: Lazamataz
Simple geography. If Afghanistan and India shared a controlled, undisputed border, you can bet we would much rather be dealing with them. Unfortunately were we to insist that India and Afghanistan share a border; essentially awarding the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir to India, it would likely trigger a war between Pakistan and India, and the last thing we need is to be in the middle of a war between bitter nuclear neighbors.

Personally I think those provinces belong to India, not the breakaway Pakistan, but when you're trying to resupply troops in an entirely different nation, it's not the time to argue it. We're dealing with Pakistan because we have to; it's the simplest logistical solution.

That said, the real problem with Afghanistan continues to be Pakistan. Were it not for Pakistan, there would likely have never been a Taliban in the first place and without their continuing support, the resistance couldn't not exist now. It makes the long term prospects for victory in Afghanistan (at least as defined in terms of the absence of the Taliban) as highly problematic. Our enemies there are no more isolated than were the Viet Cong; they're being supplied and supported from nations with whom we cannot grapple militarily.

44 posted on 05/17/2011 11:58:54 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: Lazamataz

BEcause we prefer muslims. We are either muslims ourselves, muslim sympathizers, or afraid of them. Muslim culture gave us the zero, so lets embrace it.

This is sooo typical and reminds me of when I was a kid in the 60s and couldn’t figure out why everybody, all the people in the country loved Israel, but the government was hostile toward them. (Then it was because they were socialist, now it’s because we’re kuffir.)


45 posted on 05/17/2011 12:40:31 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Strategy

Times up, Pakistan. You’re done. You just don’t know it yet, but you soon will.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 12:42:51 PM PDT by quesney
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To: rlmorel

Going in without permission, right in the heart of their military complex, under their military’s noses, if you will, and shooting Bin Ladin dead and snatching his body was a national embarrassment to the Pakis so great that I can’t even think of an analogy. We MADE THEM OUR BITCH by doing that and they’re rightly pissed. It was an Act of War, a Violation of Their National Sovereignty. They would be within their rights to throw every damn American out of their country over it, and block our access to supply routes into the stan.

So, a little chest beating, a little gunfire is to be expected for a while. I’d be damn careful if I were a yank working around there.


47 posted on 05/17/2011 12:44:51 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: DAC21
No report of anyone hurt. Phony setup to sell to the the Paki Sheeple

NATO choppers injure Pakistani soldiers

48 posted on 05/17/2011 12:46:41 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Lazamataz

49 posted on 05/17/2011 12:48:03 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: ichabod1

BTTT


50 posted on 05/17/2011 12:48:49 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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