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US official: growing threat from solar storms
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Posted on 05/17/2011 6:56:07 AM PDT by jda

GENEVA (AP) -- A senior official at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says solar storms pose a growing threat to criticial infrastructure such as satellite communications, navigation systems and electrical transmission equipment.

NOAA Assistant Secretary Kathryn Sullivan says the intensity of solar storms is expected to peak in 2013 and countries should prepare for "potentially devastating effects."

Solar storms release particles that can temporarily disable or permanently destroy fragile computer circuits.

Sullivan, a former NASA astronaut who in 1984 became the first woman to walk in space, told a U.N. weather conference in Geneva on Tuesday that "it is not a question of if, but really a matter of when a major solar event could hit our planet."

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Well, it looks like the effects of global warming (or climate change, or whatever the PC word-du-jour is) are now reaching the sun.

Something has to be done before it's too late! Woe is me!! We're doomed!!!

Maybe we could send AlGore there to check out the situation.

1 posted on 05/17/2011 6:56:10 AM PDT by jda
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To: jda

Big one on Saturday, perhaps?


2 posted on 05/17/2011 6:57:41 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: jda

” Well, it looks like the effects of global warming (or climate change, or whatever the PC word-du-jour is) are now reaching the sun. “

It’s “SOLAR WARMING”, and it’s caused by all of those solar panels reflecting light and heat back to the sun and making all of the Solar Bears shed their fur....

(Hey - it makes as much sense as the GW spew... ;))


3 posted on 05/17/2011 6:59:16 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

Oh, MY! Can’t we buy solar credits to make this problem go away?


4 posted on 05/17/2011 7:02:48 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: C210N

First in with “Bush’s fault”!!!


5 posted on 05/17/2011 7:03:28 AM PDT by catman67
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To: jda

That damned Bush again!


6 posted on 05/17/2011 7:04:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: jda

Just tax the sun!


7 posted on 05/17/2011 7:04:59 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: jda

The snark on this thread is not justified.

This is not an article about global warming, but about a natural phenomena.

Solar activity and its effect on earth is well-documented but not well-understood, and apparently something we’ll continue to learn through experience.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 7:05:19 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: jda

“Sullivan, a former NASA astronaut who in 1984 became the first woman to walk in space....”

Actually it was Svetlana Savitskaya on July 25, 1984. Sullivan did her extravehicular work in October, 1984.

That’s what ya get posting an AP article.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 7:06:11 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Jedidah

It’s nothing to laugh at. But I will be laughing when it does hit and everyone cellphones go out.


10 posted on 05/17/2011 7:06:50 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Jedidah

” The snark on this thread is not justified. “

The ‘snark’, as you call it, is an attempt to address, with humor, (of varying degrees of effectiveness) the larger, and more immediate, tragedy of the insistence by our ‘betters’ on politicizing anything and everything - especially ‘natural phenomena’ which are, by any logical assessment, non-political....


11 posted on 05/17/2011 7:12:19 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Jedidah

Indeed looks like may have never heard of the Carrington Event of 1859 in which a soloar flare occured that was so strong it shocked telegraph lines melt lines and started fires even after batteries were disconnected. Now consider how much wire could have possibly have been hung in 1859 compared to today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859


12 posted on 05/17/2011 7:13:12 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: jda

Quick tax suv’s


13 posted on 05/17/2011 7:19:43 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: Jedidah
To: jda The snark on this thread is not justified.

This is not an article about global warming, but about a natural phenomena.

You will eat those words someday.

BTW, the new buzz word is "altered climate" it's no longer global warming or climate change.

14 posted on 05/17/2011 7:20:45 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Jedidah
"This is not an article about global warming, but about a natural phenomena."

You're right, of course, and no "snark" is warranted.

An intense solar storm occurred in 1859 and severely upset the telegraph system (in its infancy) in this country. I would imagine that the early telegraph systems were rather rugged and beefy. Imagine what could happen in this era of computers and electronics. I believe that, should an event as severe as that of 1859 were to occur today, communications and electronics of all kinds might be interrupted worldwide. There are some local safeguard that can be taken such as a well grounded screen room or Faraday cage, but it would be impossible to protect everything. Should something like this happen recovery would probably take years, if ever. Imagine a world where your telephones doesn't work, your car won't start and there's no electricity.

15 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:46 AM PDT by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

this is really important stuff. Look up 1859 Carrington event.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:51 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Jedidah
The snark on this thread is not justified.

(cold stare)


17 posted on 05/17/2011 7:32:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: davisfh

18 posted on 05/17/2011 7:33:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: jda

See Link below...The little words next to the pink gragh read: “Welcome to solar max” The graph is by Leif Svalgaard
http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-SORCE-2008-now.png

ALSO:

Solar Max – So Soon?
Posted on May 8, 2011 by Anthony Watts
Guest post by David Archibald
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/08/solar-max-so-soon/

AND ONE MORE:
scroll down on this site to “Sunspot/Flux Chart”..updated DAILY!!!
http://www.wm7d.net/hamradio/solar/index.shtml


19 posted on 05/17/2011 7:36:17 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: jda

Alas, there is no way we can stop the Sun. So what are we to do? In a word, wait. If the worse comes, deal with it. And if not revel in our good fortune. These are our only choices.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 7:38:57 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Jedidah
The snark on this thread is not justified.

Good grief! There are several FReepers who feel it is their duty to police everything that doesn't quite strike them right - misspelled words, dangling participles, snarks that they don't understand, non-sequiturs, etc., etc., etc. You sound like liberals - mad at everyone and feeling victimized by everything.

Conservatives should be a light to drive out the darkness, a breath of fresh air. And, especially when it comes to fellow conservatives - lighten up!,

P.S. The "snark" was to tweak our climatist friends who seem to blame everything on global warming.

21 posted on 05/17/2011 7:40:53 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Jedidah

And it happens every 11 years regular as clockwork. So we have had plenty of experience with it.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 7:41:28 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jda

Solar storms must be defeated.


23 posted on 05/17/2011 7:43:18 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: davisfh
*Imagine a world where your telephones doesn't work, your car won't start and there's no electricity. *

It’s what the enviro-nuts dream of.

24 posted on 05/17/2011 7:44:34 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: davisfh; Kartographer

” Imagine a world where your telephones doesn’t work, your car won’t start and there’s no electricity. “

If you haven’t already given at least some thought to such a scenario, you probably haven’t been paying attention to political and economic trends lately...

Granted, a natural - even extraterrestial-natural - event could have the same effect....


25 posted on 05/17/2011 7:47:09 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: jda

will women and children will be hardest hit. . .?


26 posted on 05/17/2011 7:52:53 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Uncle Ike

....and of course, the price of oil goes up due to fear over the solar storms....


27 posted on 05/17/2011 7:53:15 AM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: jda

Some Freepers live to snark, it would seem that they have nothing to add to the over all conversation so they just snark everything.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 7:53:47 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Some Freepers live to snark

Hey, I resemble that remark.

29 posted on 05/17/2011 7:55:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: catman67
First in with “Bush’s fault”!!!

Bush and those damned SUVs.

Womyn and minorities will be hardest hit.

30 posted on 05/17/2011 8:00:01 AM PDT by kennedy (I am a Kennedy. Where do I go to claim my Senate seat?)
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To: Jedidah

Snark is totally justified. NOAA’s own predictions of the strength of the upcoming solar maximum have dropped and dropped and dropped over the past few years. Check out http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/27/nasas-sunspot-prediction-roller-coaster/


31 posted on 05/17/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: jda

Let your smile be your umbrella! That will keep the excess sun off of you! No snarkiness here!


32 posted on 05/17/2011 8:06:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jda

Then why is the U.S. government wasting money on food stamps and welfare ? All that money should be spent on preparing for sun storms.


33 posted on 05/17/2011 8:09:48 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Kartographer
...may have never heard of the Carrington Event of 1859 ...

That is a very real threat that we are not nearly prepared for.

All of the billions of dollars being diverted in Global Climate Change schemes would be far better spent trying to come up with ways to protect our global communications systems from the very real and natural threat of massive solar flares.

A solar flare big enough to wipe out most of our satellite communications system will hit the Earth someday. It has happened before. It will happen again. It is not a question of if, just when.

34 posted on 05/17/2011 8:25:30 AM PDT by kennedy (I am a Kennedy. Where do I go to claim my Senate seat?)
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To: Peter from Rutland

“It’s nothing to laugh at. But I will be laughing when it does hit and everyone cellphones go out”

Its going to be worse than your cellphone going out if we get one like 1859 where all the telegraph wires fried. Something like that would blow out a lot if not all of the large transformers on the grid. They take 2 years to build and they are built in another country. Part or all of the USA could be without electricity or with minimal electricity for 2 years or more. It would create havoc and daily life would be a struggle. A lot of people would not make it.

We are taking it very seriously and planning for an alternative electrical system, probably solar and not tied to the grid.

This is not about climate change. The solar activity runs in natural phases and we are entering a very active phase. The chances for a large solar flare in 2012 or 2013 are very real. It is definitely something to be concerned about.


35 posted on 05/17/2011 8:26:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yeah, it’s basically like a huge EMP event. I doubt even generators would survive it.


36 posted on 05/17/2011 8:27:30 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: jda
sarcasm> Well once again the environmentalist have led us down the wrong path. Paging Al Bore!

We need to put lead back into our gasoline so we can create a lead shield in our upper atmosphere to block out these evil rays from the sun.

An added bonus would be if we added high gloss lead to the gasoline so the lead particles could reflect IR rays from the sun which would then cool the planet.

Maybe we could adjust the amount of lead so that rather than cap and trade to steal money from us we could simply adjust the planet temperature with the proper mix./sarcasm>

37 posted on 05/17/2011 8:39:50 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Peter from Rutland

“Yeah, it’s basically like a huge EMP event. I doubt even generators would survive it.”

If the generators are disconnected, shielded and held in reserve until after the event, they should survive just fine. The bigger problem is storing enough fuel, long term.


38 posted on 05/17/2011 8:41:57 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Peter from Rutland

“Yeah, it’s basically like a huge EMP event. I doubt even generators would survive it.”

We have researched it pretty well. You will get about 48 hours notice that its coming so you will have time to protect your cell phones, laptops etc by putting them in a farraday cage but it will probably take out all the satellites so the phones and internet won’t work anyway. If you have a Solar system it will give you time to go up on the roof and cover the panels up with Mylar film which you can buy by the roll pretty cheaply. That will protect them. Remove the inverter or controller and put them in a Mylar wrap or a farraday cage and un plug everything and wait for it to pass then hook the Solar system back up. You could probably protect your home generator if you disconnected it and wrapped it in Mylar. There is a lot of stuff you can do to protect your electronics especially if you have a couple of days warning which you will get.

I imagine in the case of a really bad solar flare the government will simply turn off the grid a few hours in advance of the storm hitting Earth. Then they will hope to crank it back up but given the way its cobbled together that could be sporadic and lengthy.

We have been researching various ways to become somewhat independent of the national infrastructure. Any type of serious event that might happen is likely to affect the grid and its just a good idea to prepare to be independent if necessary. If you can live on your own for 12 months you will likely be able to get through any of the probable events that may occur.


39 posted on 05/17/2011 8:47:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jda

“potentially devastating effects.”

OMG! PASS A TAX! QUICK!


40 posted on 05/17/2011 9:02:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: jda
Something has to be done before it's too late! Woe is me!! We're doomed!!!

Given the resemblance of the climate scaremongers to Chicken Little, your skepticism is understandable.

Unfortunately, in this case it's also somewhat wrong.

We know for a fact that the sun can produce and has produced flares big enough that if they were directly in our path, would do some serious damage to our infrastructure. In the 1800s, there was an event just like this. Fortunately, back in the day the only infrastructure that was succeptable to the electromatic effects were telegraph lines because we'd yet to develop other electrical infrastructure.

The question we can't answer is how often these kind of events are, so we similarly can't generate realistic threat assessments.  It could turn out to be something that only happens once in a thousand years, which would make the overall threat less, though not zero, since we'd be talking about a probability, with no way to predict exactly when an event might occur. We don't know if these events happened prior to the 19th centrury because there was no way to tell when they happened. The bottom line is, we just don't know, so should probably take reasonable and prudent measures to protect what we can.

Could you imagine the impact a flare big enough to toast all computers that are not adequitely shielded? The kids running cash registers in grocery stores can't even count change.  Everything depends upon computers to run, right down to microwave ovens, and any modern car/truck. The implications are staggering, really.  Mandating milspec shielding on all CPUs is not the answer, but there are probably recommendations that it would make sense for people and businesses to take a look at.

So, while I wouldn't run around with my hair on fire, I think it's reasonable to be aware and informed of the issues.

41 posted on 05/17/2011 11:28:49 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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Fyi - I was being cynical about the cause of the increased solar activity, not skeptical about its reality (e.g., the Chicken Little imitation was in regard to global warming).


42 posted on 05/17/2011 11:45:33 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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Fyi - I was being cynical about the cause of the increased solar activity, not skeptical about its reality (e.g., the Chicken Little imitation was in regard to global warming).

I understand. It's hard sometimes to read sarcasm here. Partly my response was to take the opportunity to talk about some of the implications of this issue. There have been some other great replies on the thread as well. This is one of the strengths of FR, we can always learn from each other.  Though you were probably be familiar with it, others might not have. 

Thanks for posting the thread btw.

43 posted on 05/17/2011 11:50:29 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Jedidah

I agree the snark is a bit much for a serious situation but after Y2K and global warming can you blame anyone for being snarky?


44 posted on 05/17/2011 2:35:31 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

There’s snark-worthy and there’s serious. It’s discouraging to encounter those who can’t tell the difference.


45 posted on 05/17/2011 2:40:04 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

The government that cried wolf.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 3:26:39 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Jedidah
After HALF A CENTURY of this BS, with half informed and ECONOMY DESTROYING environmentalism, it's either Option A, snark, or Option B, stacking hippie bodies.

What world power in history committed suicide because they felt guilty about being powerful? How many years have we listened, and frequently been blamed, for "environmental disaster" within some nebulous "few years?"

How about rounding up every bald old man with a pony tail and Birkenstocks, and withered old woman with waist length hair and that Dachau look so popular with vegetarians, and going ape$hit with a samurai sword, until the streets look like league night at a bowling alley?

I prefer option B, but you will pardon our use of option A...

47 posted on 05/17/2011 4:54:37 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: Jedidah

If there is a solar EMT event, say, on the 21st of May, or on 12/21/2012, there isn’t enough Mylar in the world to prevent a system frying crash, but I don’t believe ammo will be affected...


48 posted on 05/17/2011 5:01:42 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: jonascord

I don’t have a clue what you are yammering about, but you sound somewhat unhinged and possibly dangerous.


49 posted on 05/17/2011 5:11:38 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Kartographer

So ... what did you add to the conversation?


50 posted on 05/17/2011 5:23:47 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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