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LED bulbs hit 100 watts as federal ban looms
Yahoo ^ | 5/16/2011 | Peter Svensson

Posted on 05/17/2011 7:02:23 AM PDT by scooby321

NEW YORK (AP) -- Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January.

Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect.

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The new bulbs will also be expensive -- about $50 each -- so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs.
1 posted on 05/17/2011 7:02:27 AM PDT by scooby321
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2 posted on 05/17/2011 7:04:27 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: scooby321
Did you know that there's a 3 page guide on the proper steps to clean up a broken CFC light bulb. 3 pages for crying out loud.

http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html

3 posted on 05/17/2011 7:05:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: scooby321
WARNING--WARNING--THREAD HIJACKING IN PROGRESS:

Hate the twisty bulbs? ESL’s coming soon

This product just got UL approval, expect it to show up for retail sales soon. What’s an ESL? Think of it as an unfocused Cathode Ray Tube or CRT. The definition at Wikipedia is: Electron Stimulated Luminescence (ESL) is light produced by accelerated electrons hitting a phosphor (fluorescent) surface in a process known as cathodoluminescence.The light generation process is similar to a cathode ray tube (CRT) but lacks magnetic or electrostatic deflection.

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4 posted on 05/17/2011 7:06:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: scooby321

Dumb headline.
If the LED bulbs consumed 100 watts, there’d be no reason to replace 100 watt incandescents.

But... we’ve grown so used to measuring the light output in watts instead of lumens that they had to make the comparison this way.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 7:06:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scooby321

Attention, House GOP....

One of the reasons we voted for you last fall was to repeal this damned ban.

So repeal the damned ban!

Either Obama or Harry Reid will stop it, but that’s okay, let them take the hit.


6 posted on 05/17/2011 7:10:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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At $50.00 for each LED bulb, people may well hoard INCANDESCENT bulbs to sell AFTER January 1, 2012.
7 posted on 05/17/2011 7:10:39 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: MrB

The LEDs don’t consume 100 watts of energy, they emit the equivalent amount of light at less power....................


8 posted on 05/17/2011 7:11:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: Yo-Yo

That ESL bulb is in essence a mini picture tube from an old-style TV set. Those things throw out a bunch of unwanted radiation in addition to heat and light.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 7:11:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pyx

And to think that light bulbs used to be given out free........


10 posted on 05/17/2011 7:13:38 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (It's a beautiful day and I'm glad I can see it in color.......)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

one of a very important handful, I’m still try to get to grips that a Govt has banned these bulbs, what does it matter if my bill is higher and these new bulbs are crap, they don’t last long, expensive and dangerous.

Get rid of the ban.
get rid of Govt health care
overturn this don’t ask don’t tell


11 posted on 05/17/2011 7:13:47 AM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Attention, House GOP....

One of the reasons we voted for you last fall was to repeal this damned ban.

I recall reading that a Republican Congressman initiated a bill (in February, I think) to do just that. I'll see if I can find out what happened to it.

12 posted on 05/17/2011 7:14:20 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: Yo-Yo

The ESL looks promising - at least it doesn’t look like a dairy queen cone ;-)

I’ve noet read a good description of how it works - the conventional approach to making enough of an electron beam to excite phosphors is with several KV of high voltage, and that would seem to imply a potentially noisy (EMI-noisy) switching power supply. Anyone know?


13 posted on 05/17/2011 7:14:58 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They are useless. All talk no walk.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:13 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: pyx
At $50.00 for each LED bulb, people may well hoard INCANDESCENT bulbs to sell AFTER January 1, 2012.

I'm stockpiling them to use, not to sell.

15 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:22 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The piece said these bulbs don’t.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger

That was my point.
I’d be interested in the actual wattage of one of these “100 watt equivalent” LEDs.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Yo-Yo

ESL aka the TV Bulb.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: scooby321

This reminds me, I need to get to Lowes and stock up on incadescents! I’ve got 23 different light bulbs through my house and about a 3 year stockpile so far.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 7:18:06 AM PDT by albie
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To: Buckeye McFrog
That ESL bulb is in essence a mini picture tube from an old-style TV set. Those things throw out a bunch of unwanted radiation in addition to heat and light.

The electrons are unfocused, so according to the maker Vu1 and the UL they don't produce X-Rays. The focused, accelerated electron beam of a CRT does throw off X-Rays. CRT TV tubes use heavily leaded glass to block those X-Rays.

20 posted on 05/17/2011 7:19:47 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Wrong.


21 posted on 05/17/2011 7:20:21 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: MrB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_stimulated_luminescence


22 posted on 05/17/2011 7:20:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: bigbob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_stimulated_luminescence


23 posted on 05/17/2011 7:21:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: scooby321
What would happen if I dropped a box of these in Home Depot and they shattered into pieces?

Would the store have to be evacuated & Hazmat called.

24 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:21 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: scooby321
If the ban takes effect, can we buy them from other countries?

Oh, I also need a 3 or 5 gallon flush toilet. Where do I get one of those "illegally".

25 posted on 05/17/2011 7:23:16 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: scooby321
$50 each

They can stick 'em where the lightbulb don't shine.

26 posted on 05/17/2011 7:25:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: MrB
> Dumb headline. If the LED bulbs consumed 100 watts, there’d be no reason to replace 100 watt incandescents. But... we’ve grown so used to measuring the light output in watts instead of lumens that they had to make the comparison this way.

Agreed.

The real problem is that most people don't know what a "watt" is, and wouldn't know one from a hole in the ground -- it's just a word to them. All they know is: "It's as bright as a 100-watt incandescent bulb would be".

Ignorance is really annoying (to me as an engineer), but comprehensible in this circumstance. After all, how many people who compare engines' displacement (in cubic inches or cubic centimeters or liters) actually know how big that volume is, or even what "displacement" is, for that matter? If you tell them, "Well it's the square of the bore, times the stroke length, times the number of cylinders, times pi over 4", they glaze over. Instead you say, "It's about like that 351 engine that Joe has in his pickup", they understand that, even though they have no idea what 351cu-in looks like.

*sigh*

27 posted on 05/17/2011 7:26:20 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Red Badger

That technology appeared interesting as well.
But, would it have the same eerie light effect that the CFL’s do?

Same functional premise - the electrons emitted cause a coating in the inside of the glass to glow.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 7:26:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scooby321

If/when these are as good as promised (and I’m eager to have LEDs for landscape lighting - malibu and MR-16 projectors - that is on for a lot of hours every day) market demand will take care of things, not bans.

But you know that greenie socialists will pretend that their bans caused this to be developed.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: scooby321
For what it's worth, and not that anyone cares, I've hoarded enough incandescents to last for several years, until LED technology improves enough to bring down prices. (BTW, my local KMart has 8 packs of Sylvania bulbs in all flavors including 100W on sale. Dunno if its a national offer, or not.)

I replaced one hard-to-get-at bulb at my parent's house with an LED bulb some time ago. So far, it's working great. I'm not expecting to need to replace it ever again. And, if the new bulb saves my Dad from teetering on top of a ladder, perched on a chair, perched on a stack of phone books, because he "doesn't want to be a bother and call me to change it" ..... then frankly I don't care what it costs.

But, I'd say that, at 20 bucks or so a pop, they're not yet ready for prime-time, quite yet. Hopefully in a few years.

30 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: dayglored

Like explaining apartment buildings to people who have only ever seen mud huts...

“It’s like... a bunch of huts stacked on top of one another.”


31 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bigbob
I’ve [not] read a good description of how it works - the conventional approach to making enough of an electron beam to excite phosphors is with several KV of high voltage, and that would seem to imply a potentially noisy (EMI-noisy) switching power supply. Anyone know?

5K volts are generated. The claims are that there are no X-Rays or EM interference generated.

Electron Stimulated Luminescence

I don't see how the light quality could be 'better' than CFLs, since both use phosphor stimulation to generate visible light. It all depends on the phosphor mix used.

Watching the lumen output of LED flashlights grow and grow over the last few years, my money is still on an affordable LED bulb coming out one day.

32 posted on 05/17/2011 7:29:41 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Here’s the cite to the bill introduced by Senator Enzi of Wyoming.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/17/enzi-introduces-bill-to-repeal-incandescent-light-bulb-ban/


33 posted on 05/17/2011 7:29:44 AM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Thanks, that’s what I figured. Will be interested to see how much EMI they emit. For all their other sins, the CFLs are reasonably clean.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 7:35:01 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: scooby321

odd... a quick search shows an LED bulb (60 watt replacement) for $26

http://www.theledunlimited.com/product/FB-A6006W

looks like someone is trying to cover for their twisty, chinese made, bulbs


35 posted on 05/17/2011 7:35:12 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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my point being 60 watt bulbs would be more normal home usage then 100 watt bulbs... and 60 watt bulbs have been available and don’t cost $50


36 posted on 05/17/2011 7:38:20 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: TexasCajun

Let us know what happens!


37 posted on 05/17/2011 7:38:57 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MrB
“I’d be interested in the actual wattage of one of these “100 watt equivalent” LEDs.”

6 months ago I purchased a 60 watt equivalent which consumes 6 watts for $16 from Loews. I see no reason LED replacement bulb cannot be made in the USA in sufficient quantities so as to cost the same as the current bulbs.

It is whiter in color temperature than we are used to from incandescents but runs COLD and is easily dimmed.

As LEDs are available in many colors, a simple mixing of colors could easily be made to reproduce the color temperature to which we have grown accustomed.

It is a testament to the corruption in the Government/Green movement that CFLs were ever offered as a lower energy solution to our current bulbs. Just one of many fronts where we are pawns in the Progressive, Green, Socialist, Marxist plot to destroy everything which made the USA more successful than any other country in the world.

38 posted on 05/17/2011 7:40:46 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: wbill

“So far, it’s working great. I’m not expecting to need to replace it ever again.”

Don’t be too sure. Two years ago I bought a 5 watt LED spotlight at Walmart for my front porch. It had a large cluster of LED’s. Since LED’s are are low voltage, the light also contained electronic circuitry to to step down the power from 110 volts AC to to low voltage DC. The circuitry gradually failed within months, one LED segment at a time. So, even though the LED’s may be touted to last a long time, the power supply may not. Great Chinese product, huh?


39 posted on 05/17/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: scooby321

I seem to recall that Tesla used electroluminescence for stage lighting with huge panels unconnected by wires.

That was in 1905.


40 posted on 05/17/2011 7:41:35 AM PDT by RideForever
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To: scooby321

Don't (un)screw me

41 posted on 05/17/2011 7:44:18 AM PDT by verum ago (Ok, you read this, you can take your bifocals back off)
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To: scooby321

Saw the LED flood lights at Lowes yesterday going for 49.00.


42 posted on 05/17/2011 7:45:28 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DCBryan1

I believe you can still get real toilets in Canada. They apparently realize that they (like 90% of the US) have no water shortage.


43 posted on 05/17/2011 7:45:35 AM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Those things throw out a bunch of unwanted radiation in addition to heat and light."

So do CRT based TV sets (and computer monitors). I haven't noticed anybody growing green antlers from exposure to those.

Stop scaremongering.

44 posted on 05/17/2011 7:47:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: scooby321
LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect

Of course, because the free market won't support them without massive government interference.

See also: hybrid card, solar power, wind power, grain production, affirmative action, etc, etc, etc...
45 posted on 05/17/2011 7:49:52 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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If the ban takes effect, can we buy them from other countries?
Oh, I also need a 3 or 5 gallon flush toilet. Where do I get one of those “illegally”


Yes, but customs will stop them if they find them.

5 gallon toilet? Canada, or craigslist.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 7:53:44 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Yo-Yo
"I don't see how the light quality could be 'better' than CFLs, since both use phosphor stimulation to generate visible light. It all depends on the phosphor mix used."

Phosphor spread out over a larger area yields a more "diffuse" multipoint source, thus less "glare". VERY high output LED's are worse than CFL's about "glare". The more closely the source approximates a "single point source" the worse the glare.

But you're right that the overall spectral output should be the same.

47 posted on 05/17/2011 7:54:12 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: scooby321

I have been stockpiling incandescent bulbs for a while now. Got enough to last me for another 30 years.


48 posted on 05/17/2011 7:54:50 AM PDT by AnnGora (For a copy of this tagline, send 19.99 to Copy of Tagline, Pueblo, CO...)
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To: Wurlitzer
"As LEDs are available in many colors, a simple mixing of colors could easily be made to reproduce the color temperature to which we have grown accustomed."

Already being done. Currently available is a "bulb" with "white" LED's combined with yellow LED's to yield a "warm white" output.

49 posted on 05/17/2011 7:56:26 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: muawiyah

The piece said these bulbs don’t.

Then they are the first cathode ray tubes in history to not produce extraneous radiation. How convenient!


50 posted on 05/17/2011 7:56:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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