Posted on 05/17/2011 8:06:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
And so they were chosen to receive Christ and to include all in His promise to mankind.
The heresy of Replacement Theology has been the faith of the vast majority of Christians over the last 2000 years.
You are entirely welcome to believe they were, and are, all heretics, but it is going to seriously trim down the ranks of the orthodox.
[to God]
Tevye: I know, I know. We are Your chosen people. But, once in a while, can’t You choose someone else?
Fiddler on the Roof
My understanding from a genealogy perspective (I’m a non-Jew so correct me if I’m wrong) is that most Jews have a blood link to the Israelites somewhere. Ashkenazi Jews are basically a mix of European and Semitic peoples, for example. Ethiopian Jews are mostly African but even they are thought to have a little connection to the “original” Jews via the Tribe of Dan.
However, anyone who converts is accepted as a Jew, and their genes then of course mix in with the rest of the Jews they live and worship among as they marry, have children, etc...
Is that at least somewhat correct?
The heresy of Replacement Theology has been the faith of the vast majority of Christians over the last 2000 years.
You are entirely welcome to believe they were, and are, all heretics, but it is going to seriously trim the ranks of the orthodox.
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Well said. It is the vile heresy of "replacement theology" that has led to the crusades, the inquisition, "the church as kingdom," and many other horrible doctrines and events that have occurred in Christian history. Churches would do well to purge themselves of every last tiny bit of replacementalism.
I've heard that - but I've always wondered why Judaism is "officially" said to be inherited through the maternal line.
“They WERE the chosen people, before Christ — But now, we are to make disciples of ALL people.”
Actually, they still are chosen. We are “grated on” Basic Romans 101.
Now, this has nothing to do with salvation; they must still accept Christ.
Now, this does not mean Jews are going to heaven, mind you. Here I prefer the Catholic belief. Those in sincere, but invincible ignorance of the salvation brought by Christ, can also be somehow saved.
“The promised blessings are conditioned upon obedience”
Tou are confusing the Mt. Sinai convenant (which is conditional, as you correctly point out) with the convenant with Abraham (which is unconditional).
It has NOTHING to do with ME...it has to do with the truth...Ruth was an Israelite and so was Rahab. Rahab was also an inn keeper not a harlot.
“I’ve heard that - but I’ve always wondered why Judaism is “officially” said to be inherited through the maternal line.”
Oh, I can answer that, and I am not Jewish: a man has faith, but the woman has knowledge.
Seriously, I do know the father picks the tribe (e.g., Levi, Dan) and the mom confers the status of Jew or not Jew.
No clue why.
Except apparently, the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches, and basically every significant Protestant denomniation, including every Bible Church I’ve ever set my foot in, you mean.
You are wrong about the Catholic Church, even though liberals have tried to change the teaching. In 2000, the Liberal U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops included the following sentence in their catechism:
"Thus the covenant that God made with the Jewish people through Moses remains eternally valid for them"
However in 2008, the USCCB was forces to retract the sentence because it conflicts with Catholic doctrine.
Islam is 100% extremist replacement theology and look where it gets them (and non-Muslims) with their eternal Jihad and conversion by the sword. Muhammad is the final prophet with Jesus and Moses and Abraham being lesser predecessors. Jihad is eternal until the entire world is Muslim ... So say the Muslims
We are a Tribe.>>>>>>>>
Then show me your casinos.
It is a true irony that adversity can be you greatest blessing....America is a case in point ...from the Pilgrims to the revolution it greatness was driven by people leaving tyranny
It is odd that Nietzsche's... "That which does not kill us makes us stronger.".... may in part apply to God and his chosen... but it the way a Father must be sometime with his children he truly loves
Right! Didn't the LORD make that covenant to Abraham in Genesis 15? A deep sleep came down on Abraham and the LORD walked between the sacrifices alone. Talk about His Sovereignty!
Or you can get raw with these strings. Either way, the violin is sweet yet lethal.
Do it!
So all the Apostles, Fathers, Doctors, councils, and even Protestant Reformers were wrong on this fundamental issue?
There is a bit more to it than that, but I don’t have time to respond.
John Paul II (who, as an aside, was Jewish under Jewish law, as his mother was Jewish), had some very explicit statements regarding Jews remaining the Chosen People.
In fact, JPII being who he was is some evidence of that the Jews’ special relationship remains, no?
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