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Utah's Jon Huntsman: I believe in climate change because 90% of scientists do
Hotair ^ | 05/17/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/17/2011 11:39:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jon Huntsman gave a relatively brief interview to Time, but it’s likely to create longer term problems for his rumored presidential run in the GOP. Huntsman says he opposes cap-and-trade proposals because “this isn’t the moment,” but he buys the climate change argument because “90% of the scientists” say it’s happening. If 90% of oncologists identified a carcinogen, Huntsman says, he’d believe them too (via Taegan Goddard):

You also believe in climate change, right?

This is an issue that ought to be answered by the scientific community; I’m not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we’d listen to them. I respect science and the professionals behind the science so I tend to think it’s better left to the science community – though we can debate what that means for the energy and transportation sectors.

Matt [David, Huntsman’s communications director,] says you’ve changed your mind about cap-and-trade.

Cap-and-trade ideas aren’t working; it hasn’t worked, and our economy’s in a different place than five years ago. Much of this discussion happened before the bottom fell out of the economy, and until it comes back, this isn’t the moment.

Will it ever be the moment, though? The environment never takes priority because it never seems like something has to be addressed this quarter or else, but if you look at what’s happening to our planet…

If anyone knows about the need to clean up the planet, we do; we’ve been living somewhere [Beijing] where you feel like you’re killing your kids sending them out to school every day. But putting additional burdens on the pillars of growth right now is counter-productive. If we have a lost decade, then nothing else matters. Ask Japan about that.

Do “90% of the scientists” believe in anthropogenic global warming? “Climate change” is a meaningless term; the climate is always changing. “Global warming” is also meaningless in a policy sense, as warming due to natural changes can’t be reversed by political policy. I have seen plenty of claims of “consensus” on AGW, but I’ve never seen anyone claim that agreement on AGW totals to 90% of all scientists, or even all climate scientists.

The better evaluation is whether the modeling for the claims of AGW bear out in terms of data. On that score, the answer is an emphatic no, as one former AGW theorist discovered. Bruce McQuain wrote about David Evans last weekend and his conversion to AGW skepticism:

This is the core idea of every official climate model: For each bit of warming due to carbon dioxide, they claim it ends up causing three bits of warming due to the extra moist air. The climate models amplify the carbon dioxide warming by a factor of three — so two-thirds of their projected warming is due to extra moist air (and other factors); only one-third is due to extra carbon dioxide.

That’s the core of the issue. All the disagreements and misunderstandings spring from this. The alarmist case is based on this guess about moisture in the atmosphere, and there is simply no evidence for the amplification that is at the core of their alarmism.

What did they find when they tried to prove this theory?

Weather balloons had been measuring the atmosphere since the 1960s, many thousands of them every year. The climate models all predict that as the planet warms, a hot spot of moist air will develop over the tropics about 10 kilometres up, as the layer of moist air expands upwards into the cool dry air above. During the warming of the late 1970s, ’80s and ’90s, the weather balloons found no hot spot. None at all. Not even a small one. This evidence proves that the climate models are fundamentally flawed, that they greatly overestimate the temperature increases due to carbon dioxide.

This evidence first became clear around the mid-1990s.

And when should people like Huntsman stop buying what scientists claim? When they cease being scientists:

At this point, official “climate science” stopped being a science. In science, empirical evidence always trumps theory, no matter how much you are in love with the theory. If theory and evidence disagree, real scientists scrap the theory. But official climate science ignored the crucial weather balloon evidence, and other subsequent evidence that backs it up, and instead clung to their carbon dioxide theory — that just happens to keep them in well-paying jobs with lavish research grants, and gives great political power to their government masters.

At least Huntsman says he opposes cap-and-trade … for now. When the economy recovers, will Huntsman decide to support government intervention in energy production and consumption in response to bad science? Do we want to find out the hard way?


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This is the man Democrats say they fear most to be the GOP Presidential candidate.

SEE HERE:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2071003,00.html

TITLE : Jon Huntsman: The Potential Republican Presidential Candidate Democrats Most Fear

1 posted on 05/17/2011 11:39:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, by definition, 100% of scientists believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming,

because if they don’t, they aren’t scientists.


2 posted on 05/17/2011 11:40:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jon Huntsman: The Potential Republican Presidential Candidate Democrats Most Fear

Yeah, PLEEEZE DON'T THROW ME IN THAT BRIAR PATCH!.................

3 posted on 05/17/2011 11:40:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: SeekAndFind

Climate change is happening, but there’s never been a time when climate change wasn’t occurring to some extent.

The question is, to what extent does human activity have an effect on climate? Huntsman doesn’t address this.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 11:42:10 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

Scratch this clown off the list.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 11:42:38 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: SeekAndFind
Message to Jon Huntsman:


6 posted on 05/17/2011 11:42:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Flat earth, tulip mania, AGW, whateva I got to say to get that money, them rubes gotta vote for me before they know better.

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7 posted on 05/17/2011 11:43:26 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SeekAndFind
BYE-BYE
8 posted on 05/17/2011 11:44:15 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hey! I believe in climate change too!! The climate changes 1) 4 times per year, 2) over extended periods of time (from year to year, and decade to decade). These are facts in evidence over thousands of years of geologic record.

However, those who believe in man-made climate change are mentally irregular.

9 posted on 05/17/2011 11:44:28 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: JerseyHighlander

BINGO!


10 posted on 05/17/2011 11:44:39 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: oblomov

Don’t know much about him. This is the guy Glenn Beck claims to most look up to personally though. He’s spoken many times about his affection and admiration for the man.

I’ll have to do some research...


11 posted on 05/17/2011 11:45:51 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the dimocRATS are saying they fear this person or that person as the GOP candidate, you can be sure they are lying.


12 posted on 05/17/2011 11:46:23 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Red Badger

Why would Democrats most fear their own puppet??


13 posted on 05/17/2011 11:46:36 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Heavyrunner

Glenn looks up to his father John Hutsmann Sr...


14 posted on 05/17/2011 11:47:21 AM PDT by scbison
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To: SeekAndFind

If 90% of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?


15 posted on 05/17/2011 11:47:37 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thankswe’llcallyou

NEEEEXTT!!!!


16 posted on 05/17/2011 11:48:00 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: SeekAndFind
All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring

CORRECT!

We call them the 4 seasons.

17 posted on 05/17/2011 11:48:31 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wrong party, dude.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 11:48:31 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: GeronL

Ahh, I see now...My bad.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 11:49:49 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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20 posted on 05/17/2011 11:49:49 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: MrB
but he buys the climate change argument because “90% of the scientists” say it’s happening.

"And if your brother Reese jumped off the roof of the Empire State building without a parachute would you think it's ok for you to do too?"


21 posted on 05/17/2011 11:50:01 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A "Moderate Muslim"? Nothing more than a Muslim Extremist who has run out of ammo.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jon Huntsman is a lemming.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 11:50:35 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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To: MrB

If they don’t they get no money from the Gov. This guy must be a real Dope.


23 posted on 05/17/2011 11:50:51 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“This is the man Democrats say they fear most to be the GOP Presidential candidate.”

That is the kiss of death as far as I am concerned. What other Republican candidates “fear” the Democrats? Romncy, Mitch Daniels? Maybe McCain should run again, the Democrats fear him.


24 posted on 05/17/2011 11:51:18 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Heavyrunner

Glenn Beck and Jon Huntsman are both Mormons. Nothing against that, but Mormons tend to stick together. I think that explains it.

As for Jon Huntsman, all I need to know is that Barack Hussein Obama chose him to be his ambassador to Communist China, one of the most important jobs in the foreign service.

Does anyone imagine that he would choose a conservative for that job? Has he chosen any real conservatives for any jobs? Not to my knowledge.


25 posted on 05/17/2011 11:51:23 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: SeekAndFind
Jon, Jon, Jon. FAIL.

Follow Huck, Donald, Newtie ...

26 posted on 05/17/2011 11:51:47 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: SeekAndFind
He is a dead man walking to me... anyone that believes in this huge scam cannot be allowed to be in government. Those in government need to be purged. It is a socialist/marxist plan for a ONE WORLD ORDER. I WOULD RATHER BE DEAD THAN RED!

For three days in a row we have set LOW records here in the deep south. Our last three winters were the harshest since the early 60’s. All of these idiots can FOAD... I have absolutely no patience and ZERO tolerance left for these insane criminals.

LLS

27 posted on 05/17/2011 11:52:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: GeronL

They wouldn’t.
This is an old political stratagem.
Make out you really are afraid of the weakest of the opposition’s candidates, just like Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch..............


28 posted on 05/17/2011 11:52:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: SoldierDad
The climate changes 1) 4 times per year, 2) over extended periods of time . . .

I don't know where you live, but here in Texas the climate changes by the hour, day, week, month, season, year, decade and century.

P.S. I know that's what you meant, but some of the climatists may not have, so I clarified it for them.

29 posted on 05/17/2011 11:53:01 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: BuffaloJack

That’s why the MSM are pushing this RINO. No way, no how will I vote for him. He’s also for gay marriage.


30 posted on 05/17/2011 11:53:01 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“This is the man Democrats say they fear most to be the GOP Presidential candidate.”

If the Dems are saying it, it really means they want him to be the nominee (because they know there won’t be heavy turnout from Republicans to support him). They will never consciously admit who they really fear.


31 posted on 05/17/2011 11:53:31 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Utah’s Jon Huntsman: I believe in climate change”

Then you might as well stay the f**k home this election season you liberal douche.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 11:53:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Heavyrunner

Is Glenn talking about Governor Huntsman or his beezillianaire dad?


33 posted on 05/17/2011 11:54:11 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Heavyrunner

I thought that was his dad, Jon Huntsman, Sr.? Not Jr.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:05 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: SeekAndFind

Well...97.23 % of all political statistics are made up on the spot....


35 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:05 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: SeekAndFind

This dope is a non starter. He worked for Obama.

Go away buddy.


36 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:46 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of Mormons live such clean and upright lives. This Huntsman is a good example. Problem is this often translates into boring unthinking conformists. You see it here with Huntsman being unadventurous. Just boring and unwilling to think outside the box or interact with those that do. He is the furthest thing from being upset and angry at this trillions+ dollar scam to make living here more expensive


37 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:46 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: SeekAndFind
This shows the man never departs from the “wisdom” of the New York Times and he is out of touch with reality. He has no clue what the issues are around the Left’s global warming claims - including the lie that 90% of scientists agree with Algore.

Has it ever struck this head nodding follower that “climate change” is the the natural state of life on earth. The climate is never stagnant. That is a fact all scientists would agree with and that fact has nothing to do with the Left’s claim of global warming.

People like this are dangerous to the Republic. We really can not afford any more stupid in power right now.

38 posted on 05/17/2011 11:55:57 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe in honor killing because a large percent of islamics do.

/s


39 posted on 05/17/2011 11:56:35 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe in honor killing because a large percent of islamics do.

/s


40 posted on 05/17/2011 11:56:39 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: SeekAndFind

for the same reason he believes in chewing Trident Sugarless Gum....


41 posted on 05/17/2011 11:56:50 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kbennkc

his beezillianaire dad...... the kid is a dud


42 posted on 05/17/2011 11:57:09 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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Utah's Jon Huntsman: I believe in climate change because 90% of scientists do

Utah's Jon Huntsman: scientifitard.

Go play with Newt, Jon.
43 posted on 05/17/2011 11:58:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh man...do we really need this dolt in the mix?


44 posted on 05/17/2011 11:58:28 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jda

Well, I just differentiated between weather and climate change. Weather varies over shorter periods of time (e.g., hour to hour). Climate is variale over longer periods - Yes, I’m aware that this was your point. Plus, different parts of the country see a wider variation of weather change than other parts. Texas, as compared to CAm, sees wildly different weather changes generally speaking.


45 posted on 05/17/2011 11:58:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: bgill

Huntsman didn’t realize his dreams by allowing other people to do his thinking for him. Why start now? This caving to the left is maddening. At least now I know that I definitely don’t want him as President.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 11:59:17 AM PDT by alstewartfan (While we lay under our roofs, the whole night filled up with the beating of hooves. Al Stewart)
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To: SeekAndFind

That does it for me. I’m moving to Arizona.


47 posted on 05/17/2011 11:59:59 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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To: dennisw

A lot of Mormons are pretty conservative. But not all of them. Mitt is a Mormon. Dingy Harry is a Mormon. I’d say they are to Mormons kind of like Teddy Kennedy was to Catholics.


48 posted on 05/17/2011 12:00:12 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: SeekAndFind

Research. If you are going to talk about something you know nothing about, do some research. This will kill any chances Mr. Huntsman might have had (remote as it was) of being considered for a Presidential candidacy. See ya!


49 posted on 05/17/2011 12:00:25 PM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: Puppage

SHERRY, SHERRY BABY!


50 posted on 05/17/2011 12:02:16 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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