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Joanne Kloppenburg: Why recounts are a vital part of election process
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 5/16/11 | Joanne Kloppenburg

Posted on 05/17/2011 12:19:57 PM PDT by Jean S

The Journal Sentinel Editorial Board is entitled to its own opinions but it is not entitled to its own facts. The board's speculation about my motives regarding the recount of the vote in the Supreme Court election is inaccurate. I appreciate this opportunity to set the record straight.

The recount process in Wisconsin is unfolding as prescribed by Wisconsin law. Votes are recounted in all 72 counties, and an official record is made of that process. When the Editorial Board says the recount is a "mere preamble to the court challenge," it is wrong on the facts and wrong to prejudge my intentions.

Wisconsin law specifically anticipates that there may be court challenges to the recount, but those challenges can only happen after the recount is done. The recount is not "merely" a preamble to anything: It is a process that proceeds in prescribed ways when an election is this close.

As I and my campaign have said repeatedly and consistently, I have not made the decision about whether to request judicial review. Once the recount is done and the record is complete, my attorneys and I will carefully review the evidence in that record and I will make a considered judgment based on the law and the facts. The Editorial Board has no evidence other than politically motivated claims by my opponent and his supporters on which to base its statement that "it appears" I will challenge the recount in court.

And, finally, it is the height of cynicism and the worst of politics as usual to undermine the rationale for, and benefits of, this recount in order to try to score political points as Justice David Prosser's campaign continues to do. When races are this close, there is a significant public interest established both by statute and by common sense in determining that votes were counted and counted accurately.

The recount has uncovered significant and widespread errors and anomalies in the securing of ballots and recording of votes on election day. There have been changes to vote totals in every county due to miscounted or missing votes.

Many bags of ballots have been found to be essentially unsealed or ripped to the extent that ballot security is compromised. A stack of ballots, unbagged, was found in a clerk's office. Ballots were found in voting machines where they had been left. Seal numbers on ballot bags and tags were not recorded in the inspector's reports, creating doubt that the bags were properly sealed on election night.

Touchscreen voting machine tapes were missing votes, or worse, were entirely blank and had to be reproduced from machine memory to allow a recount of the vote.

The most widespread and systemic errors and anomalies have been discovered in Waukesha County. That county was already under a cloud, and this recount has revealed more questions about elections practices there.

This election was close, and there were many who have expressed doubts about whether it was clean. The right to vote is fundamental. It is a right that courageous people fight and die for every day. In America, that right carries with it a promise: that elections are fair and open, that election results are untainted by deceit or fraud and that the electoral process provides every eligible voter with an equal opportunity to privately and independently cast a ballot.

In order to make that promise real, there are appropriate and established steps that help make sure the outcome of elections, when in doubt, can withstand scrutiny. That, no more and no less, is exactly why this recount is so important.

JoAnne Kloppenburg is an assistant attorney general who ran against Justice David Prosser in April.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: democratcorruption; democrats; elections; klopflop; kloppenburg; liberalfascism; prosser; recount; wisconsinshowdown
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There's no doubt in my mind that she will sue.
1 posted on 05/17/2011 12:20:03 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Pffttt!


2 posted on 05/17/2011 12:21:01 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; afraidfortherepublic; smoothsailing; Brown Deer

Ping!


3 posted on 05/17/2011 12:22:28 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

I would agree they are vital especially after we were blessed by the recount god in 2000......could you imagine had there been no recount process. I think we might have had Al Gore which would have been horrifying. Must worse than Carter and even Obama (with the exception that Al Gore is American).....His Global Warming crap would have been horrible for the country.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 12:22:52 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Jean S

“....And especially, since my cheating *still* couldn’t overcome a majority of the voters, a recount provides an excellent backup plan for stealing elections......”


5 posted on 05/17/2011 12:23:37 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Jean S

Byebye


6 posted on 05/17/2011 12:24:49 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Jean S

When she was 200+ votes ahead, she declared victory.

She asked Prosser’s camp to concede, to spare the state going through a recount, since it was clear that 200+ was enough of a margin not to be overturned in a recount.

But when she ended up 7,000+votes behind, that’s when we need recounts and investigations into how ballots are handled and all that. None of that was needed when one candidate has a 200+ vote margin, but all of that is needed when the spread is 7,000+ votes.

I don’t understand the liberal mind, and liberal lack of consistency in positions taken. I probably never will.


7 posted on 05/17/2011 12:25:03 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Jean S

lol.

How many bags of ballots will Democrat operatives discover in their closets and car trunks??


8 posted on 05/17/2011 12:25:25 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Jean S

Absolutely. 100% guaranteed.

This is, we should all remember, the ignantbiatch who claimed victory based upon an AP unofficial tally that put her a couple hundred votes in the lead - but will not concede the race after a seven thousand vote deficit.

Oh yeah, she is SO going to sue. Everyone can see it - and her “how dare you say it!” is going to ring rather hollow when she does in fact sue.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 12:26:29 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: napscoordinator
I would agree they are vital especially after we were blessed by the recount god in 2000......could you imagine had there been no recount process. I think we might have had Al Gore which would have been horrifying.

Why?

George Bush won the original count.

He also one every recount.

10 posted on 05/17/2011 12:29:51 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Nothing to understand, it’s called rank hypocrisy.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 12:38:20 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Jean S

And, while the suit is pending, how many more boxes of ballots will the RATs “find” in closets, car trunks and back rooms?


12 posted on 05/17/2011 12:41:48 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Jean S

KLOPPENDEMON IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHY PURGING DEMONRATS FROM OUR NATION IS SO VITAL.

LLS


13 posted on 05/17/2011 12:45:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: Jean S

I appreciate this opportunity to set the record straight.

Hahahahaha...


14 posted on 05/17/2011 12:47:35 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (e)
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To: Jean S

Because the results of the election were overturned by the recount of uncounted ballots, I think she’s entitled to another recount, just to confirm the results. Caveat: BY MACHINE ONLY.

It might seem counterintuitive, but machine counts are statistically more reliable than hand counts.

What was insane about the Florida recount is that Gore kept recounting the same ballots by hand with different standards for discerning voter intent, until he massaged in the result he wanted. Remember hanging chads?

If the recount shows yet another result outside the small margin for error, they’ve got a real problem with fraud. Machines don’t come up with different results each time.


15 posted on 05/17/2011 12:49:14 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Jean S

Recounts should be impossible. We have the technology that all counts should be instant and that’s that. Make the electronic systems open source and very simple and standardized.

Dealing with paper receipts on this scale days, weeks, or more after an election is retarded beyond belief.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 12:50:30 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: JimRed

They won’t find any ballots, it’s too late for that, the recount is basically comparing known ballots to votes reported on election night. And “finding” 7000 ballots would only get someone arrested.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 12:51:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Dilbert San Diego
“I don’t understand the liberal mind, and liberal lack of consistency in positions taken. I probably never will.”

Try this: For leftists, words are only tools and weapons; they have no intrinsic meaning. The ends justify the means.

18 posted on 05/17/2011 12:52:02 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Jean S

Her handlers will insist that she files a lawsuit. This circus involves delaying implementation of the collective bargaining law. The left wants the seat vacant when the case comes before the court. An election lawsuit may leave the seat vacant when the case moves to the state supreme court.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 12:52:56 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Jack Hammer
Another lefty crone who , along with her union stooges disgraced herself on national TV . It was beautiful to watch the old bag gloat only to punked . These idiots have shown themselves to be armature's , aside from the noise and the stench they were not capable of stealing a local election . What chumps.
20 posted on 05/17/2011 12:53:45 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: businessprofessor

Exactly! That’s been their goal all along.


21 posted on 05/17/2011 12:54:23 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

She will not rest until every trunk-full of votes is counted.


22 posted on 05/17/2011 12:55:03 PM PDT by GunningForTheBuddha (Bachman/West :: West/Bachman : whatever order I'd vote for them)
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To: Jean S
She's STILL not giving up.

She will have, on her headstone, the words "I WON DAMMIT".

23 posted on 05/17/2011 12:55:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Jean S

Kloppy throws the bomb.
Increasing public distrust.
She’s playing with fire.

The only thing that makes it possible for a representative republic to function is the public confidence in the voting system. Kloppy is willing to damage that confidence with a lot of unfounded nonsense for her own narrow political gain. This is very destructive and grossly irresponsible.


24 posted on 05/17/2011 12:56:31 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you can read this / (To paraphrase on old line) / Thank a TAXPAYER!.)
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To: Jean S
"When the Editorial Board says the recount is a "mere preamble to the court challenge," it is wrong on the facts and wrong to prejudge my intentions."

What is the expiration date on this statement?

25 posted on 05/17/2011 12:57:00 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Jean S
There's no doubt in my mind that she will sue.

No doubt at all.

26 posted on 05/17/2011 12:57:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: GeronL
How many bags of ballots will Democrat operatives discover in their closets and car trunks??

"Hello, this is bag 'o votes, how can I help you?"

27 posted on 05/17/2011 1:01:48 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I don’t understand the liberal mind, and liberal lack of consistency in positions taken. I probably never will.

I can help.

When Klopper was up 200+ votes after the initial count, it was to her advantage to argue that Prosser was hopelessly behind and should concede. Now that she's down 7000, it's to her advantage to argue that the system is badly flawed and that bags of votes in areas that voted heavily for Prosser should be thrown out.

Liberals (leftists) are completely and entirely consistent. They support any position that increases their power, and oppose those that threaten to reduce it.

Everything else is noise.

28 posted on 05/17/2011 1:03:40 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Jean S
"Questions about the authenticity of ballots have arisen during the recount process due to holes in some ballot bags, gaps in their closure or issues with security tags. A hole in a ballot bag or a missing security tag is not enough evidence alone to discard the ballots inside. The ability to put a hand into a ballot bag is not by itself evidence of fraud...So far, we have found no significant, unexplained variances of vote totals."-Wisconsin Government Accountability Board, May 16 2011

In other words, Kloppenburg is blowing smoke, her whiney little OP/ED is pathetic desperation.

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29 posted on 05/17/2011 1:05:52 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jean S

So where exactly does this mess stand right now?


30 posted on 05/17/2011 1:06:50 PM PDT by Yet_Again (T)
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To: Interesting Times

I don’t think Kloppenburg has any control over this now, her handlers handpicked her and they own her now. I am certain that she didn’t write this.


31 posted on 05/17/2011 1:07:21 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

If Kloppenburg ran the US, we would be having a violent revolution. She is really that bad. Maybe she’s an active satanist.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 1:11:55 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Yet_Again
Waukesha county received an extension for their recall until 5/26. They needed it because the Kloppenburg (aka Franken) lawyers are challenging lots of ballots. It's expected that the county will finish before then. Once they are done the GAB will certify the vote.

Kloppenburg can sue any time after the certification.

Related:
Wisconsin GAB Rebukes Kloppenburg Claims Of Fraud

33 posted on 05/17/2011 1:12:43 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: napscoordinator
"I think we might have had Al Gore which would have been horrifying."

4 years of Gore damage after 8 of the Slickster would have been more than any country could take.

34 posted on 05/17/2011 1:12:56 PM PDT by libs_kma (JIMMY CARTER - HE'S BACK IN BLACK)
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To: Interesting Times; Dilbert San Diego
Liberals (leftists) are completely and entirely consistent. They support any position that increases their power, and oppose those that threaten to reduce it.

Everything else is noise.

Dialectical Materialism is a downright handy guiding philosophy for socialists -- what's right is what's good for the party; and whatever's good for the party is good for you.

Vladimir and Karl would be proud.

35 posted on 05/17/2011 1:13:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: LibLieSlayer
KLOPPENDEMON IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHY PURGING DEMONRATS FROM OUR NATION IS SO VITAL.

They are much worse than Taliban.

36 posted on 05/17/2011 1:14:08 PM PDT by Digger (would have fought on the souths side.)
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To: Jean S; Yet_Again

Sorry, RECOUNT, not recall. We have those going on in Wisconsin too.


37 posted on 05/17/2011 1:14:15 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S
I don’t think Kloppenburg has any control over this now, her handlers handpicked her and they own her now. I am certain that she didn’t write this.

Possibly so, but it hardly matters.

If she lacks the integrity to refuse, she is still responsible for everything done in her name,

38 posted on 05/17/2011 1:15:26 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: smoothsailing

Wisconsin voters really dodged a bullet when they decided not to elect this lunatic.


39 posted on 05/17/2011 1:15:36 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you can read this / (To paraphrase on old line) / Thank a TAXPAYER!.)
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To: Jean S

refresh my memory here .. this is the gal who, up 240 votes on election night, implored her opponent not to put the state through a recount?


40 posted on 05/17/2011 1:22:10 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

You’re almost correct, she was up by 204 votes.


41 posted on 05/17/2011 1:23:32 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

The GAB is meeting today...

http://gab.wi.gov/about/meetings/2011/may

I imagine that will be quite an event, particularly if the Kloppy loons show up.


42 posted on 05/17/2011 1:29:51 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Digger
Yes they are... they wish for the death of their Nation... so do the taliban but the taliban are foreign enemies.

LLS

43 posted on 05/17/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: businessprofessor
Spot on. The unions have an extraordinary amount to lose if they can no longer get union dues directly from the taxpayers and they have underwritten a good deal of all that has gone on in Wisconsin this year. Democrats have been intimidated beyond anything we have seen before in this state. It is about undermining confidence in the system, retaining Union dues and getting Obama re-elected next year. Why decent people continue to affiliate themselves with the Democrat party is beyond me....but as I have been observing lately, there is often some hidden sinister issue hiding below the surface, like a drug problem or a gambling problem or debts that either make them beholden or sympathetic.
44 posted on 05/17/2011 1:57:00 PM PDT by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: fantom

>These idiots have shown themselves to be armature’s

Well they certainly do a lot of spinning. ;-)


45 posted on 05/17/2011 2:22:08 PM PDT by soycd
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To: madinmadtown

Democrats exploiting human frailty and failings??

Oh say it ain’t so....

:^)


46 posted on 05/17/2011 2:46:17 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: napscoordinator

Re-Count God???? Bush won that election. The recounts were an attempt by a Dem to steal the election. As a matter of fact, every re-count I can think of consisted of a Dem attempting (and often succeeding in) stealing an election. If there is a “re-count God” then he is a Dem.


47 posted on 05/17/2011 3:05:44 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I don’t understand the liberal mind, and liberal lack of consistency in positions taken. I probably never will.

It's easy to understand their mindset: Winning is the only thing!

What is hard to accept is that they have no shame about it, and yet think they are on the moral high ground.

48 posted on 05/17/2011 3:18:01 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Jean S
does the silly fat cow really think they can claim they just found 7500 votes this late in the game???
49 posted on 05/17/2011 3:19:51 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

She won’t claim found votes, instead she is going to attempt to get thousands of Waukesha county votes disallowed. It won’t work but she may be able to keep Prosser from being seated on Aug. 1. If she can delay long enough the court will be 6-6 and they will bump the hearing of Walker’s budget repair bill back to the liberal Dane county courts. That has been their plan all along.


50 posted on 05/17/2011 3:56:16 PM PDT by Jean S
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