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Court: reaffirms that muddy water is pollution
AP via SFGate ^ | 5/17/11 | JEFF BARNARD, AP Environmental Writer

Posted on 05/17/2011 1:09:56 PM PDT by SmithL

Grants Pass, Ore. (AP) -- A federal appeals court has reaffirmed that muddy water running off logging roads after rainstorms is pollution that requires a special permit from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: 9thcircus; epa; logging; muddywaters; polution
9th Circus, but you knew that, didn't you?
1 posted on 05/17/2011 1:10:01 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

A lot of folks with dirt roads are going to be in trouble.


2 posted on 05/17/2011 1:12:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SmithL

Insanity


3 posted on 05/17/2011 1:13:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: SmithL

So - when do the arrest warrants for God get drafted and signed? After all, each and every time it rains, muddy water is generated, thus God is a “polluter” by the 9th Circus’ ruling.

I’m waiting...


4 posted on 05/17/2011 1:14:13 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: SmithL
So the next time Mount St. Helens is gonna blow, who does the mountain need to see for a permit? Who gets fined when rainsoaked hillsides slide a river of mud into the valley?

Grants Pass is an odd homogination of hardore hippies and hardcore antigovernment survivalists. Very little in the middle moderate bunch.

5 posted on 05/17/2011 1:15:03 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: SmithL
Drop and asteroid on them.

Seriously. Someone needs to plug their plug, sequester their carbon, cap their CO2 output, ect...

Get on it people. What are you waiting for? Permission?

6 posted on 05/17/2011 1:15:12 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: SmithL

God’s fault.

CCR:

“Long as I remember The rain been coming down.
Clouds of myst’ry pouring Confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who’ll stop the rain.”


7 posted on 05/17/2011 1:18:52 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: SmithL

Oh brother!!! Can we say that the 9th Circus court is full of hot air and thus is causing global warming?


8 posted on 05/17/2011 1:19:49 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: SmithL

If they covered it in asphalt, would that solve the problem? ; ~ )


9 posted on 05/17/2011 1:20:30 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SmithL

So they are saying that we are living on a huge ball of pollution then?

So anything that comes from the Earth should be considered pollution?

Liberalism is insanity.


10 posted on 05/17/2011 1:21:46 PM PDT by RickB444 (Worry about and distrust anyone who fears a lawful person owning a gun.)
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To: SmithL

This means the Mississippi River is by far the largest source of pollution of the Gulf of Mexico.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 1:22:37 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: SmithL

Does the judge know that roverbeds are often made of dirt??


12 posted on 05/17/2011 1:24:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Get on it people. What are you waiting for?"

Your leadership?


13 posted on 05/17/2011 1:26:25 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: SmithL

A thousand years from now, future nations will look back at the failed American experience and draw the lesson that the insane and mentally defective should not be elevated to positions of power and authority.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 1:28:44 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: TheBattman
So - when do the arrest warrants for God get drafted and signed? After all, each and every time it rains, muddy water is generated, thus God is a “polluter” by the 9th Circus’ ruling.

All across the fruited plain, there are literally hundreds of aptly-named Muddy Rivers, Muddy Creeks and Muddy Lakes.

Who, pray tell, is going to pay for this egregious affront to our environmental sensibilities?

15 posted on 05/17/2011 1:31:10 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: I see my hands

If they are waiting on my leadership, they are missing the point.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 1:33:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

Let’s not ask for an asteroid for the state of goofier.. I work in the state some.... I live in goofy, the state to the north of goofier.. and of course have called the state below goofier, known as goofiest, home for some years before... not all out west deserve a slap to the head :)


17 posted on 05/17/2011 1:35:05 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: Dead Corpse
I was talking more about you than they.

18 posted on 05/17/2011 1:37:54 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: delchiante

Only needs to be big enough to take out Sacramento... That’d solve about half the Countries problems right there.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 1:39:17 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: I see my hands

I don’t live in CA. Wouldn’t go back even if lucrative remuneration made it tempting.

We have our own problems up here.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 1:41:29 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

Wait until I get back into goofy... I am way too close to the capitol of goofiest until friday....


21 posted on 05/17/2011 1:42:19 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

Yeah, I can’t find my asteroid remote, so you are safe. :-)


22 posted on 05/17/2011 1:44:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Joe 6-pack
A thousand years from now, future nations will look back at the failed American experience and draw the lesson that the insane and mentally defective should not be elevated to positions of power and authority.

Well, the fall of the Roman Empire taught the same lesson 2,000 years ago, and we appear not to have learned anything from that. (Actually, the Founders did, but modern America has long since lost that knowledge).

23 posted on 05/17/2011 1:48:48 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Dead Corpse
"We have our own problems up here"

Get on it, Dead Corpse. What are you waiting for? Permission?


24 posted on 05/17/2011 1:48:58 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Cyber Liberty; SmithL

***This means the Mississippi River is by far the largest source of pollution of the Gulf of Mexico.***

And the Colorado river was not called that because it was clear! I swam in the muddy Colorado outside Moab UT as a child!


25 posted on 05/17/2011 1:49:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: okie01

***All across the fruited plain, there are literally hundreds of aptly-named Muddy Rivers, Muddy Creeks and Muddy Lakes. ***

Not to mention the the Canadian River in NM. I’ve never seen it anything but muddy brown.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 1:52:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I remember the pioneers said of one river,
“too muddy to drink, too wet to plow.”


27 posted on 05/17/2011 1:53:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SmithL

So now the EPA claims ultimate authority over suspended load. This will negatively impact any human activity that results in soil disturbance including the mining, agricultural, construction industries to name just a few. The day is coming were we will all need to file an EIS just to breathe.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 1:56:25 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: tet68

“too muddy to drink, too wet to plow.”

LOL! here is one about the Missouri River...

Too thick to drink, too thin to plow.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 1:56:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Maceman
"Well, the fall of the Roman Empire taught the same lesson 2,000 years ago, and we appear not to have learned anything from that. (Actually, the Founders did, but modern America has long since lost that knowledge)."

As you're probably aware, one of the theories behind the fall of Rome had to do with the unwitting ingestion of lead and other heavy metals from their plumbing that contributed to the madness of their leadership. As far as I can tell, we don't have that excuse :-)

30 posted on 05/17/2011 1:59:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Not to mention the Canadian River in NM. I’ve never seen it anything but muddy brown.

There's not a river between Albuquerque and Tulsa, or between Minot and Laredo that isn't "muddy".

I demand an investigation and prosecution of the appropriate party.

31 posted on 05/17/2011 2:04:08 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I swam in the muddy Colorado outside Moab UT as a child!

Drove thru Moab last Fall. Spectacular location.

32 posted on 05/17/2011 2:10:54 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: SmithL

I live in Maryland. Around here they would have to dig a basin to hold the runoff and they would have to line the roads with black plastic to catch and direct the runoff to the catch basin.

Everywhere you go here there are little catch basins to catch runoff, and of course those little ponds have to have a fence around them to keep the kiddies out, and a rock strewn overflow.Every parking lot has a pond or catch basin.
You cannot build a home without first lining the boundaries and the proposed driveway with plastic.


33 posted on 05/17/2011 2:26:04 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: All

Better shut down all the roads in Riverside County.

They all are a muddy mess after it rains including the 91 and the I-10.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 2:28:03 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: SmithL
I should have quit you, a long time ago; wouldn't be here with all my troubles, down on the killing floor.
35 posted on 05/17/2011 2:29:45 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"CA... Wouldn’t go back even if lucrative remuneration made it tempting"

BTW, I respect that.


36 posted on 05/17/2011 2:51:33 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: SmithL
Idiots!

WOW, they are dumb as Bill Maher!

“certitude… the hallmark of unbright people”
-Bill Maher (ironically deems himself the unbrightest of the unbright)

37 posted on 05/17/2011 2:57:42 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: TheBattman
After all, each and every time it rains, muddy water is generated, thus God is a “polluter” by the 9th Circus’ ruling.

Beat me too it! EPA is out of control!

38 posted on 05/17/2011 3:38:48 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until 2017.)
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To: Paladin2

Anyone near the muddy Mississippi River is in trouble, too.


39 posted on 05/17/2011 3:48:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SpaceBar
"....we will all need to file an EIS just to breathe."

Well, they are certainly locking down exhalation (CO2).

40 posted on 05/17/2011 4:39:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Joe 6-pack

“A thousand years from now, future nations will look back at the failed American experience and draw the lesson that the insane and mentally defective should not be allowed to breed”

Fixed it for you


41 posted on 05/17/2011 6:12:31 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: SmithL

Muddy water? Dirt comes from the earth. Hmmmm...let’s fine the earth. About time she started paying up. Putting all that dirt everywhere.


42 posted on 05/17/2011 6:13:49 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SmithL
"That's harsh"
43 posted on 05/17/2011 7:15:42 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: SmithL

What it sounds like they might be getting at is, if the area didn’t generate muddy runoff until it was made into a road, then the runoff is counted as ‘pollution.’ If prior to the roads the area already had generated an equal amount of muddy runoff and now they want to call the continuation of the same muddy runoff ‘pollution’ then they really are off their nut.


44 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: SmithL
Leave it to the Ninth Circus Court to redefine 'Muddy'....and blame it on logging roads.



Aloha Smitty!
45 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:50 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: SmithL

At work we are getting killed by the Stormwater laws. Before too long, every grain of sand will have to be accounted for on the job site.

Just you wait until we have to justify the carbon footprint on the jobsite and mitigate for too much C02 emissions.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 7:40:48 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: SmithL
Poor, poor Muddy...


47 posted on 05/17/2011 7:42:44 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: SmithL

Pave the roads with liberals.


48 posted on 05/17/2011 7:42:44 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Joe 6-pack

If history lessons held to 1000 year blocks, we wouldn’t be committing national suicide today. There are hundreds of examples of nations that destroyed themselves from within and yet we are repeating that same mistake. No, 1000 years from now, some other idiots will be following in our suicidal footsteps.


49 posted on 05/17/2011 7:44:48 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
A thousand years from now, future nations will look back at the failed American experience and draw the lesson that the insane and mentally defective should not be elevated to positions of power and authority.

Think about how we look back on the Roman Empire...

50 posted on 05/17/2011 7:46:25 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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