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Why is nobody talking about safe nuclear power?
online opinion ^ | - posted Wednesday, 4 May 2011 | By Julian Cribb

Posted on 05/17/2011 1:33:00 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: ckilmer
From all I've read, the thorium reactor has lots of positives. No one seems to be talking about negatives, although it must have some. However, I was around when atomic energy was new. I can recall POPULAR SCIENCE (or maybe it was POPULAR MECHANICS) writing about how our cars would be powered by U-235 by the 1950s. I'm not going to be carried away by this kind of enthusiam twice

they can be made small enough to power an aeroplane

As it happens, I was involved with the nuclear powered aircraft project in the late 1950s (guidance, not propulsion), so I'm familiar with the problems of putting a reactor in an airplane. To begin with, reactors must be shielded, and shielding is heavy. Most of the designs for nuclear powered aircraft had a heavily shielded crew compartment, and just enough shielding on the reactor that, when it was on the ground, you could approach it in a shielded tractor. However, that meant that the airframe was bombarded by lots of neutrons, which created dislocations on the crystal structure. That would rapidly lead to crack growth, meaning the airframe would have a short useful life, and would be radioactive. Big disposal problem. Another problem was that the temperature possible in a nuclear reactor is limited by the properties of the reactor structure. No matter what you do, this is going to be lower than the gas temperature in a fossil-fueled jet engine. Lot of power in the reactor, but transferring that to a jet exhaust is tough. The laws of thermodynamics work against you (nuclear powered rockets have the same problem).

In short, a nuclear powered airplane was a loser back then, and I don't think going to a thorium reactor is going to change that.

For stationary power plants, though, and possibly for ship-board power plants, we ought to be investigating the thorium reactor. If necessary, we need to get away from the not-invented-here types in the Department of Energy.

21 posted on 05/17/2011 4:40:39 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

How does a thorium reactor compare with a modular pebble bed reactor?


22 posted on 05/17/2011 8:26:31 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Onelifetogive

Who does one pay for the fuel cost of wind and solar?
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The costs for solar and wind are capital costs and maintenance costs


23 posted on 05/18/2011 1:18:13 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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The costs for solar and wind are capital costs and maintenance costs.

Fuel costs for thorium are a tiny $0.00004/kWh versus...wind appx. 14 cents /kWh; solar thermal about 26 cents/kWh and solar photovoltaic a hefty 40 cents/kWh.

Why would you compare "fuel costs" of thorium to capital costs of solar and wind? Does thorium not have any capital cost?

24 posted on 05/18/2011 6:18:11 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: hellbender
It can be produced here in the US, and can be dug up. There's more energy in the thorium in a ton of coal than there is heat energy.

Of course, this is one of the reasons the Greenies cite when they're smearing coal (radioactive elements...).

25 posted on 05/18/2011 1:36:11 PM PDT by kiryandil
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How does a thorium reactor compare with a modular pebble bed reactor?

The pebble bed reactor uses uranium that's encapsulated in "pebbles." I'm not sure about the exact size, but think of them as tennis balls or softballs. In operation, an inert gas such as helium is passed through the "bed" to transfer the heat to a turbine or heat exchanger. I don't know whether thorium can be used in place of uranium. In any case, the "pebble bed" refers to a structure, not to the fissile material used.

All the discussion of thorium reactors revolves around liquid thorium fluoride. That's probably not the only way to utilize thorium in a reactor, but that's the way it's been looked at in the past. This approach seems to have many advantages over the way we now build uranium-fueled reactors, so should be investigated.

26 posted on 05/18/2011 1:47:05 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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I read that Thorium has normally been a by-product of extraction of rare earths. I wonder if Th is not a major reason the Chinese are cornering access to rare earths, considering that China is among the first to realize the value of Th as an energy source.

Meanwhile, the scientifically illiterate, sentimental Gaia-worshipping lawyers and career politicians are locking America into their fantasy of wind and solar power.

27 posted on 05/18/2011 4:04:16 PM PDT by hellbender
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Scientific American December 13, 2007:

Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste

28 posted on 05/18/2011 4:37:25 PM PDT by kiryandil
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It is. The Chinese have been buying up mineral rights across the mountain west.


29 posted on 05/18/2011 4:46:41 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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