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Allen West Gives Thumbs Down To Gingrich's Call To Bring Back Voter Literacy Tests
talkingpointsmemo ^ | 05/17/2011 | Eric Kleefeld

Posted on 05/17/2011 2:35:22 PM PDT by Reese Hamm

Newt Gingrich is facing criticism for yet another idea he has floated during his presidential campaign -- that the country bring back tests for voting, which were banned by the Voting Rights Act of 1965 as a tool used to suppress African-American voters. Now, Think Progress reports, none other than Tea Party favorite Rep. Allen West (R-FL), an African-American, is disagreeing -- and referring to the sort of discrimination that his own parents faced.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allenwest; literacytest; newtgingrich; racebaiting; thinkprogress
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"In the pre-Voting Rights Act era, the Jim Crow states used literacy tests as a means of preventing African-Americans from registering to vote. Local registrars (who were all white) would often exempt white voters entirely or only give them a simple task, compared to a complex series of civics questions given to black citizens. (Here is an actual literacy test used in Alabama.)"

Think Newt could pass?

1 posted on 05/17/2011 2:35:26 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Reese Hamm

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to
limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to
have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far
more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast
confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can
survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of
fools such as those who made him their president.”


2 posted on 05/17/2011 2:38:04 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Reese Hamm
Think Newt could pass?

No doubt at all.

But I still don't want him as president.

3 posted on 05/17/2011 2:38:45 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Reese Hamm

Newt continues his crusade to make Ron Paul look sane.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 2:40:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Reese Hamm

Will someone post the Alabama test? (I can’t open it)


5 posted on 05/17/2011 2:40:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
"(I can’t open it)"

You failed. No ballot for you!

6 posted on 05/17/2011 2:41:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Reese Hamm

This is so over the top stupid, it’s hard to believe.


7 posted on 05/17/2011 2:43:23 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How much longer can the charade last?)
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To: Reese Hamm

While I do believe in voting requirements (age 25, tax payer, etc), I do not believe that literacy should be one of the requirements.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 2:44:14 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Reese Hamm

Newt is nuts


9 posted on 05/17/2011 2:44:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Newt continues his crusade to make Ron Paul look sane.”

Ain’t it the truth.


10 posted on 05/17/2011 2:45:28 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Reese Hamm

One has to wonder if Gingrich still has two feet given he has put both up his arse these past few days... =.=


11 posted on 05/17/2011 2:45:59 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Joe 6-pack

Freaking hilarious ! Laugh post of the day !


12 posted on 05/17/2011 2:49:12 PM PDT by onona (Fullly aware that I may be totally)
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To: Reese Hamm

THE ONLY voter test that there should be....did you pay taxes in the previous year (more than you got back), or are you MARRIED to someone who did!


13 posted on 05/17/2011 2:50:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: Reese Hamm
Now, Think Progress reports, none other than Tea Party favorite Rep. Allen West (R-FL), an African-American, is disagreeing -- and referring to the sort of discrimination that his own parents faced.

There is no doubt that discrimination took place against blacks, but the Voting Rights Act was not the solution. Getting rid of it is a good idea. And, at the same time, maybe we should only allow people not on the entitlement payroll to vote. That is, if you have a vested interest in voting for Democrats because they pay you to vote, maybe if you are unemployed and receiving payments, maybe you should not be allowed to vote until you get a job.

That is the illiterate and ignorant of what voting responsibilities and rights entail should not be allowed to vote.

Those receiving unemployment benefits from the Federal government should be removed from the register until such time that they have jobs and are not dependent upon the government.

14 posted on 05/17/2011 2:50:09 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Reese Hamm

Newt, we hardly knew ye....


15 posted on 05/17/2011 2:54:14 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Reese Hamm

Instead of a literacy test for voters, why don’t we adopt a morality test for politicians?


16 posted on 05/17/2011 2:54:26 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Reese Hamm
Bob Beckel IS running Newt's campaign!
17 posted on 05/17/2011 2:54:32 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Reese Hamm

Isn’t it racist to decree that a literacy test discriminates against blacks? It’s tacitly admitting that most blacks are illiterate.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 2:55:07 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: t1b8zs

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 2:56:18 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Mr. Blond
Newt, Please quit now.

Your completely nuts.

20 posted on 05/17/2011 2:57:12 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: t1b8zs
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency

Exactly. First time I've disagreed with LTC West. He's dead wrong and Newt's right.

We are not a democracy. There is no 'universal' right to vote. The States can make whatever restrictions on voting save those outlined in the various Amendments to the Constitution.

Literacy tests would be just a start.......No state or federal employee would have the right to vote. Anyone recieving government handouts would be denied the right to vote. etc.

No DEMONCRAT would ever be elected again.
21 posted on 05/17/2011 3:02:25 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Mr. Blond
Isn’t it racist to decree that a literacy test discriminates against blacks? It’s tacitly admitting that most blacks are illiterate.

Yes, it's racist.
22 posted on 05/17/2011 3:05:57 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Reese Hamm
I wouldn't trust PBS to tell the truth under oath, let alone in a "student activity".

This is not a standard Alabama test. The standard test was two sets of four questions, plus reading aloud a section of the Constitution. They may have been chosen from this list, but any other resemblance to an actual test is purely coincidental.

This is NOT to say that the registrars didn't play fast and loose with literacy qualifications. They did, and they also picked and chose questions depending on the race of the applicant.

But it is not necessary for PBS to exaggerate and outright lie in order to make this point. But I guess it's open season on Alabama up at PBS.

Newt would probably pass the test. So would I. So what. He's a two-timing, back-stabbing cheat, and I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher.

23 posted on 05/17/2011 3:06:27 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Reese Hamm
Here is an actual literacy test used in Alabama.

No, it isn't. Question 24 asks about the type of government there "was" in Russia. "Communism" is the correct answer...but it wouldn't have been in 1965.

24 posted on 05/17/2011 3:12:22 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

It is senseless on Newt’s part, despite the intellectualizing utility of wanting an informed voter base, there are plenty of us that remember the tactics used in the South and elsewhere to keep blacks from voting in significant numbers.

Anything that smacks of discrimination by race, sex or religion is a non-starter in an era only one generation removed from that time.

Off-the-Cuff, Brainy speculation has no place in a primary campaign unless you have a program and arguement ready to fully describe your brain-storm. Newt was a good tactical leader to take the House in the 90s, but he is showing how serving as a talking head and book author for 15 years makes you end up with a tin-ear for the temper of voters.


25 posted on 05/17/2011 3:16:31 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Reese Hamm

That’s indicative of a kind of elitism I’ve heard way more often from Lefties than I have from Conservatives.It’s a fond conceit of the modern Left that everyone right of Center is an uneducable boob, even thought they court hardcore constituencies L3eft-of-center who fit that descrioption—it’s clear Newt now subscribes to that notion, and shows his disconnect with common sense, not to mention profound tone-deafness. He’s given the Dems something to point to once more to (justifiably) paint him as an elitist. So far he’s doing all their work for them. What an idiot.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 3:18:01 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (Burma Shave! (- sorry you missed the first six taglines--))
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To: Reese Hamm

“...tests for voting, which were banned by the Voting Rights Act of 1965 as a tool used to suppress African-American voters.”

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So being an informed and educated citizen is an exclusive province of the white devils?

I think I get it, now........


27 posted on 05/17/2011 3:20:13 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Newt continues his crusade to make Ron Paul look sane.

HAHAHAHA. Sadly, very true.

28 posted on 05/17/2011 3:21:39 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Mr. Lucky

“Instead of a literacy test for voters, why don’t we adopt a morality test for politicians?”

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Term limits would work just as well and be a lot easier to implement.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 3:22:03 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: t1b8zs

Is the source of that great statement still unknown?
Been probably two years since i first read it, and no one seemed to know where it came from then.


30 posted on 05/17/2011 3:23:10 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (Burma Shave! (- sorry you missed the first six taglines--))
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To: Reese Hamm

I think a dependency test is in order. Anyone on public assistance continuously for more than 12 months at the time of the vote is ineligible.

I would also like to see school budget voting restricted to property tax payers in the district - including renters (named on a leas), but not their kids or live-ins. If said rent is paid by the government, no vote.

This is off the top of my head - so feel free to amend or contradict the ideas if you wish to.


31 posted on 05/17/2011 3:25:24 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Yeah, you’re gonna have a litle problem with the equal protection clause if you try to take the vote from any citizen.


32 posted on 05/17/2011 3:26:56 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Reese Hamm

Did anyone actually listen to what Gingrich said? He said that in order to become a citizen, an applicant should be familiar with American History...and native citizens, even to vote, perhaps should have to learn about American history...that students today are ignorant about our history and couldn’t even pass a citizenship test. Allen West should not being playing the race card already...


33 posted on 05/17/2011 3:27:03 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Reese Hamm

At a minimum, proof of citizenship should be required to vote.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 3:28:15 PM PDT by luvbach1 (checked your profile)
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To: Reese Hamm

OK, so now local registrars, (who are all black) will often exempt black voters entirely from requirements for identification or proof of residence while attacking and beating any election observers who happen to be in the way.

Meet the new boss same as the old boss is no way to build a more prosperous society,


35 posted on 05/17/2011 3:28:56 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Reese Hamm
Newt Gingrich - who, in my opinion, is no longer a serious candidate for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination - didn't really say anything about a 'literacy test' as a requirement to vote but he did make the comment that too many voters, especially at 18, don't know much about American history. He is correct and it is a problem, not to mention that too many new voters are only quasi-literate thanks to our pitiful public education system. The combination of semi-literacy and an absence of historical understanding of America and the founding principles combine to make voters, especially the young, easy prey for catchy slogans and feel-good appeals from cynical political operatives. However, with the sordid history of Jim Crow 'literacy tests' used to disenfranchise black citizens of their right to vote in the days of segregation, we'll never see any kind of 'test' for would-be voters, history, literacy or otherwise.

The left has too many voters right where they want them; dependent (on government money) and politically clueless. This is how we get a Barack Obama as our president. A hardcore leftist with no resume and a history of radical associations. A man way over his head with a distinct animus toward the America that has made him wealthy and powerful beyond belief - and he uses that power to undermine our economy and weaken America at every opportunity. Yet his 'approval' poll numbers are still in the mid-40's. They should be in the teens. This is why the GOP must nominate someone who can connect with voters that may not be interested in the same old cookie-cutter Republican politicians the GOP honchos want to nominate in 2012. Guys like Newt Gingrich, an opportunist that is not quite as clever as he presumes.

I believe that Sarah Palin is the conservative Republican candidate that can connect with voters who may not have read Shakespeare or cannot instantly name the three branches of government. She is 'authentic' and personable. She connects with the average person because she is one, despite her new-found wealth and fame. This is why the left loathes and fears her and have tried very hard to marginalize Palin, convince Republicans that she is 'toxic' and persuade the voting public that she is 'a joke'. They wish. Sarah Palin is an intelligent, resourceful, competent, bold leader with integrity and guts - and she appeals to millions of voters. In my opinion, she is our best hope for pulling America back from the brink of the socialist chasm the American Left has brought us to, with the help of Barack 'I killed bin-Laden' Obama. He can be defeated. Newt Gingrich can't do it but but Sarah Palin can. This is why I continue to support her and pray that she chooses to run in 2012.

36 posted on 05/17/2011 3:30:48 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: mgstarr

We just need to make sure that that dictator is a RIGHT WING dictator and then we’ll be good.


37 posted on 05/17/2011 3:33:11 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Jim Scott

Did you watch Gingrich’s entire Ga. speech? It was a good, thoughtful conservative 30 minute talk. Does Palin ever give this kind of speech?


38 posted on 05/17/2011 3:34:46 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Reese Hamm
Reese, Neut could pass that test in a heartbeat.

Furthermore, if registering citizens were given a study guide something like the DMV uses for licensees, EVERYBODY should be required to take it and score at least 65% before being allowed to vote.

Col. West has this wrong. It isn't the test that is unfair, it is the handling of such tests that was unfair. E.G., in my state, I was required to read a portion of the Constitution to the clerk. It was up to the clerk to judge whether or not I read it correctly. Now that, that was potentially unfair.

Ain't nothin' wrong with litrisy tests, yoost keep'em fair and the same for evabody.

BTW, anybody with obnoxious (IMO) tattoos, or tattoos that cover more than 50% of visible skin, and who has any piercings beyond those for earrings, should not only be stricken from the voter rolls, but be given a severe buffeting about the head and shoulders, too. IMHO, of course!

39 posted on 05/17/2011 3:35:55 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Reese Hamm
"I have a number of things I'd like to implement..."


40 posted on 05/17/2011 3:39:10 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: ichabod1

From Chariots of Fire:

Reverend. J.D. Liddell: Sandy, the kingdom of God is not a democracy. The Lord never seeks reelection. There’s no discussion, no deliberation, no referanda as to which road to take. There’s one right, one wrong. One absolute ruler.

Sandy: A dictator, you mean?

Reverend J.D. Liddell: Aye, but a benign, loving dictator.


41 posted on 05/17/2011 3:40:52 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: KC Burke

This country goes further in the toilet every time it makes another move to kowtow to the damn stinking ignant rabble in da street. They don’t no nothin and are proud of it, think logick and rettrick are tools of the white oppressor, they hate you and they don’t really care if they get ahead in life, as long as somebody sticks it to YOU.


42 posted on 05/17/2011 3:40:52 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ez

how did they do it for felons


43 posted on 05/17/2011 3:45:14 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: supremedoctrine

Yup....I cant find it any where........


44 posted on 05/17/2011 4:03:53 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: All; Reese Hamm
The "article" is from "Think Progress."

I wouldn't trust a single word of what this vile dirtbag writer says Newt, Col. West or anyone else has to say on anything.

45 posted on 05/17/2011 4:14:32 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until 2017.)
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To: magritte
Did anyone actually listen to what Gingrich said?

No, they'd rather believe a lefty blogger's version than hear the words for themselves.

46 posted on 05/17/2011 4:18:29 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until 2017.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
I do not believe that literacy should be one of the requirements.

I don't understand, are you saying that in order to vote you don't believe we need the ability to read or write? I'm sorry, maybe you were just being sarcastic and I didn't catch it.

47 posted on 05/17/2011 4:34:39 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: Reese Hamm

I must be missing something. I see a lesson plan, but not the questions...


48 posted on 05/17/2011 4:35:24 PM PDT by Kenton (Just my $0.02 worth...)
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To: Drill Thrawl
What the heck is going on with Mr. Gingrich. It is as if he is just saying things to make Republicans look bad I don't get it. Hey Newt how about showing an ID when you vote
that would be a start.
49 posted on 05/17/2011 4:41:45 PM PDT by funfan
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To: EyeGuy
So being an informed and educated citizen is an exclusive province of the white devils?

The point is that white voters were given a pass. Look up the origin of the term "Grandfather Clause." Passed in seven southern states after the end of Reconstruction, it stated that voters whose grandfathers were eligible to vote before 1867 were exempt from taking the test.

50 posted on 05/17/2011 4:45:24 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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