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Mothers crying over raw milk
The Washington Times ^ | May 16, 2011 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 05/17/2011 5:36:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Four weeks after the government moved to shut down Amish farmer Dan Allgyer for selling fresh, unpasteurized milk across state lines, angry moms who made up much of his customer base rallied on the Capitol’s grounds Monday to demand that Congress rein in the food police.

The moms milked a cow just across the street from the Senate and served up gallons of fresh milk, playfully daring one another to drink what, if sold across state lines, would be considered contraband product.

“The FDA really screwed up this time. They got between a mom and a farmer,” said Mark McAfee, who runs Organic Pastures Dairy Co. in Fresno, Calif., which under his state’s laws he legally sells at 400 markets, but which he cannot ship across state lines without running afoul of the Food and Drug Administration.

Raw milk has been making a comeback in recent years as consumers try to eat locally and fresh. But the FDA has been fighting back, arguing that there are big risks to drinking fresh milk and that it brings no benefits over the pasteurized version.

The most recent action to garner headlines came last month when the FDA went to court to stop Mr. Allgyer, the Amish farmer who runs Rainbow Acres Farm in Kinzer, Pa., from selling his raw milk to an eager customer base in the Washington region.

The FDA and the Justice Department sought a court injunction after FDA agents conducted a one-year sting operation, complete with fake aliases and lab testing, to determine that the milk they surreptitiously obtained from Mr. Allgyer was, in fact, unpasteurized.

Mr. Allgyer was not at Monday’s rally, but his defenders were infuriated that he had been targeted, and said it shows a government out of control.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allgyer; amish; bhofda; fda; foodnazis; foodpolice; health; interstatecommerce; milk; nannystate; organic; protest; rainbowacresfarm; rawmilke; regulation; restrictions
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1 posted on 05/17/2011 5:36:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Eric Blair 2084; paltz; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 05/17/2011 5:38:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Oh that evil raw milk is such a bad health hazard. That's why almost everybody died from drinking raw milk before pasteurization was invented. /s
3 posted on 05/17/2011 5:39:46 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Heavily armed murderous drug cartel cutthroats cross the US border at will, and US Marshalls are busy chasing Amish dairy farmers at 4 AM for selling milk to customers in Maryland...

Tell me we don't have a cancer of a gubmint on our hands.

4 posted on 05/17/2011 5:42:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 5:43:38 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Don’t forget the legislators that want to tax little Johnny for being overweight.


6 posted on 05/17/2011 5:44:21 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
My brother gave me some to try. Tasted pretty good to me.

his customer base rallied on the Capitol’s grounds Monday to demand that Congress rein in the food police.

I believe this is the real issue. For some reason, control freaks are not happy unless they are telling somebody how to live. Actually, the problem isn't that they offer advice, it's that they insist on forcing their way of life on others.

They need to get lost.

7 posted on 05/17/2011 5:45:18 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s always going to be properly labeled. Let people drink raw milk if they wish! SHEESH, the nanny state sucks.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 5:46:32 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Today it’s raw milk, tommorrow it could be the tomatos growing in my back yard.


9 posted on 05/17/2011 5:51:15 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1Cor.15: 1-4 Believe it!)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I am assuming you meant you tasted raw milk and not breast milk? Either way, what did it taste like?


10 posted on 05/17/2011 5:51:55 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

fresh dairy, an oxymoron. fresh: raw, uncooked.

quite frankly, I donot get what the problem is. Homogenized milk is equivilent of elmers glue and not digestible.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 5:52:06 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Yaelle
It’s always going to be properly labeled.

I am with you! I mean, label it - heck, use the "dead people pictures", etc... that they want to use on cigarettes and then let people choose!

I grew up working summers on my uncle's dairy farm! Fresh milk every single day! Fresh butter and cheese as well! If it were available, I would buy it all day!!
12 posted on 05/17/2011 5:55:25 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I bought and drank raw milk in college. The cream off the top was phenomenal in coffee. My mom, who grew up on a dairy farm, freaked when I told her. It's extremely rare these days but there are some nasty bugs in milk. But I believe it is my choice.

So a woman can kill her unborn baby but can't buy the baby she let live raw milk.

Thsi gubment needs to go.

13 posted on 05/17/2011 5:57:42 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How much longer can the charade last?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I would be careful about drinking raw milk from sources I don’t know or trust. But there’s nothing better or healthier for you than raw milk if you can trust the source.

I would imagine that most Amish farmers can be trusted to know how to do this sort of thing. I just wouldn’t trust a big factory farm I didn’t know, in some other state. But I trust my neighbors here in Vermont, or the local farmers.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 6:06:32 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: television is just wrong
quite frankly, I donot get what the problem is.

In the early 1900's, some doctors son died from contaminated milk. There was cow poop allowed to pile up and the cows were in dirty stalls. It contaminated the cans for milk. This doctor started a campaign to boil all milk so no more children would die. That wasn't the answer and I understand his grief. What they needed to do was make sure milk came from clean dairy's.

15 posted on 05/17/2011 6:08:38 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Drill Thrawl
I bought and drank raw milk in college.

I like sushi as well. My brother was after me to try it for a while, gave in and liked it. Although he thought it was funny to try a hefty of the green stuff. I'll get him back.

It's extremely rare these days but there are some nasty bugs in milk. But I believe it is my choice.

Oh well. From what I understand, virtually everything you buy has insect parts in it. Might as well contemplate how bacteria is everywhere. It is your choice.

So a woman can kill her unborn baby but can't buy the baby she let live raw milk.

Americans tend to think that God blesses us unconditionally. I think we are long overdue for that smack down which is coming.

16 posted on 05/17/2011 6:11:02 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Raw milk in Maryland for Marylanders = good. Raw milk from outside of Maryland = bad.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 6:11:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is illegal to sell raw milk in Maryland.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 6:18:31 PM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have to wonder just how many people even know what it means to “pasteurize” milk.

All you’re doing is killing the bacteria.

All the cream is still there, all the taste is still there.

The bacteria in raw milk doesn’t come from inside the cow.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 6:21:00 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48
All you’re doing is killing the bacteria.

Nope. You're killing the milk. That's why they have to add vitamins. They destroyed it by boiling it. And some that are milk intolerant can drink real milk.

20 posted on 05/17/2011 6:25:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This may be the first time on FR that the accused really is Amish!


21 posted on 05/17/2011 6:26:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Madam Theophilus

Jeezus Christ, is there no end to what liberals will prohibit in this state???


22 posted on 05/17/2011 6:30:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: digger48

You are wrong. Do some research. I suggest that you start with a highly respected source such as mercola.com


23 posted on 05/17/2011 6:30:40 PM PDT by realpatriot (Some spelling (and grammar for the grammar nazis) errers entionally included!)
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To: Cicero

Yes, raw milk could be a problem if not properly handled. In fact, I just read an interesting article on Borden’s being the first to have strict requirements for their farmers to keep things clean in order to cut down on problems.
But people should be able to decide for themselves if they want to take the chance. When I was first married I could buy raw milk in Colorado. I can’t buy in here in FL (I am interested in making cheese). Apparently you can buy in from certified small dairies here “for pet use”.
We used to get milk from a farmer down the road when I was a kid. The only problem we ever had was once when she (the cow) ate something odd and the milk had a weird taste. Otherwise, it was wonderful. BTW you can skim the cream off and make butter with it in your blender.


24 posted on 05/17/2011 6:32:22 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oooohhh, scary raw milk. Our government gone to far for to long, this is just plan nuts.


25 posted on 05/17/2011 6:35:46 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: digger48

On the contrary. Raw milk, like certain kinds of yogurt, contains BENEFICIAL BACTERIA.

The human digestive system requires bacteria to digest food. And if you consume beneficial bacteria, that helps to crowd out dangerous bacteria and prevent them from giving you stomach bugs, etc.

Acidophilus is the most familiar of these beneficial bacteria.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 6:45:15 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: combat_boots
HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.

I'm not sure it is sold across state lines though.

27 posted on 05/17/2011 6:46:51 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: momtothree

It does not taste like chicken and I have had both, just stay away from the mares milk.


28 posted on 05/17/2011 6:48:06 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Cicero

Duh, you get the same results drinking butter milk.


29 posted on 05/17/2011 6:49:55 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: brytlea

Wild onions!!!!


30 posted on 05/17/2011 6:52:04 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We get raw milk all the time — from a clean, tested & certified local farm. Due to lactose intolerance, I can’t drink pasteurized milk in any quantity, but raw milk gives me no problem at all. It does taste different — fresher, richer and sweeter.


31 posted on 05/17/2011 6:57:05 PM PDT by twyn1
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To: org.whodat

Maybe, I can’t remember, that was over 40 years ago. I only remember the milk was pretty off!


32 posted on 05/17/2011 7:00:30 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

obviously you have to be more careful with raw milk. but, think about this, the homogenized milk can be dirty....so we are drinking milk with poo in it, or bacteria, it is still the dirty milk, just dead poo and bacteria.


33 posted on 05/17/2011 7:01:25 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: org.whodat

One thing I didn’t care for was goat milk.


34 posted on 05/17/2011 7:01:51 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>> the government moved to shut down Amish farmer Dan Allgyer for selling fresh, unpasteurized milk across state lines,

Can’t they just use Undocumented transportation? /s


35 posted on 05/17/2011 7:03:04 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: twyn1

exactly


36 posted on 05/17/2011 7:03:23 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Raw milk was a common means of spreading tuberculosis prior to pasteurization.


37 posted on 05/17/2011 7:03:39 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: combat_boots

Believe me, there is some bureaucrat at the FDA who has considered ways to regulate it.


38 posted on 05/17/2011 7:05:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: television is just wrong

Yup. And raw milk has 6 to 9% butter fat. “Whole” milk from a store has only 3 and a half percent. They kill it and claim it’s safer. The cows are pumped full of drugs too. *sigh*


39 posted on 05/17/2011 7:06:48 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: brytlea

My mother took me to milk cows from the time I could crawl, she would squirt milk in my mouth, I think she would miss every now and then on purpose. Believe me it was wild onions.


40 posted on 05/17/2011 7:07:30 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: TN4Liberty

“I’m not sure it is sold across state lines though.”

There are so many jokes to be had from the thought.........


41 posted on 05/17/2011 7:10:39 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: org.whodat

You’re probably right, I’m sure the farmer told my Mom. This was up in the mountains of NM, and altho the cow did not graze loose anywhere I’m sure she had access to a little bit of mountainside.

I have milked a goat, but not ever a cow. My husband’s Dad was a rancher, but he raised Brangus. No one milked THOSE cows. ;)


42 posted on 05/17/2011 7:12:49 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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I did read several stories about this. Raids at 5 am with armed guards. 10s of 1,000s of gallons of milk dumped out. Serious financial damage. People lining up at a certain location at odd hours for a chance to get some milk.

You’d have thought the stuff was moonshine.


43 posted on 05/17/2011 7:13:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: TN4Liberty

HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.
I’m not sure it is sold across state lines though.

Actually mother’s milk is sold across state lines. It is part of a syndicate of wet nurses and mothers with inadequate flow.
I am certain the FEDS will bust these mothers next.


44 posted on 05/17/2011 7:18:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Pastuerization kills the good bugs as well as the bad. The good bugs help those of us without much lacitate digest the milk sugars and the bad bugs come from unclean conditions. Moral of the story: keep the cows clean and there will be no problems.

Incidentally, here in Missouri, you can only buy raw milk directly from the farmer, so there are farmers that sell their milk in parking lots of friendly establishments straight to their customer lists. And there are MANY people on the wait lists to get raw milk from these farmers. It's really rather ridiculous.

45 posted on 05/17/2011 7:19:35 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: digger48
The bacteria in raw milk doesn’t come from inside the cow.

Not true. The bacteria causing tuberculosis, listeriosis, and brucellosis are all there because the cow was sick. There are plenty of other pathogens that cows can be infected with that end up in the milk. Of course, unsanitary conditions during the milking process can introduce other bacteria into the milk, as well. Cows also get rabies... guess what happens to people who drink rabid cow milk.

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR. 1999;48:228-229), Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows Massachusetts, 1996-1998

The above article says that the CDC (between 1990 and 1999) receives about 150 rabid cow reports per year.

Personally, I'll stick with the pasteurized stuff. It's not heated hot enough to even cook it; it's heated briefly to about 70 C, just hot enough to kill the pathogens (and not even other bacteria). If people want to drink raw milk, they should be able to--as long as it's labeled adequately.

46 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:28 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: combat_boots
HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.

Ya, but a mom isn't covered in her own feces. I have been on many a diary cattle farms, drinking raw milk from a cow milked while it's standing in 2 inches of cow shit is a bad idea.

As for the jokes above about people dying in the past (sacarsm as if they didn't) but the truth is they did, and in large numbers.

Drinking raw milk from a cow is actually pretty risky.
47 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:40 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: DJ MacWoW

that is why more people are not drinking the stuff


48 posted on 05/17/2011 7:24:42 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: brytlea

****One thing I didn’t care for was goat milk.****

Goats milk is very good. Naturally homoginized and very creamy.

People think that because goats stink the milk will stink. It does not.

Goat’s milk, when fed to calves will not give them the scours.


49 posted on 05/17/2011 7:24:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Scythian

Sigh. True.

I am such a fan of cheeses made from raw milk. I do know someone who just about died from tapeworm....gotten in France, from such cheeses.

Appenzeller and apples. With grapes and sourdough. Oh...my.


50 posted on 05/17/2011 7:25:47 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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