Skip to comments.The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery
Posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:18 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
Amid questions about the authenticity of Obama's posted birth records raised by the registration number, a researcher has discovered a possible explanation.
The Post and Email blog, which has focused on the Obama eligibility controversy, features a report by an unnamed researcher who discovered the record of a girl born the same day as the president who died a day later that could have been the source of Obama's birth certificate.
The find is significant because of questions about the plausibility of the registration number indicated on the images of short-form and long-form birth certificates for the president posted on the Internet.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
“What sort of person would ask someone for the birth certificate of their dead baby?”
If wishes were horses....beggars would ride...
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the original is back up.
“Obama Activist Jay McKinnon Forges a COLB”
Jerome, Corsi (2011). Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President (Kindle Location 1530). WND Books. Kindle Edition.
I have EVEN a lower regard for anyone who would use the birth cert. number of a baby who died, for nefarious criminal scams.
The idea that conservatives should do or not do anything based on the fact that the MSM won’t report about it, or will lie about it, means THEY HAVE WON!!!
Screw the MSM. Kowtowing to them is insane, it’s defeat, it’s waving the white flag, it’s deserting in wartime.
Have you no courage?
Virginia’s brother would be someone to approach.
More and more puzzle pieces are falling into place.
If I read the Constitutionas to its words the courts especially the SC is authorised only to deal with ‘citizens’ category no directive as ‘natural born citizen’ category. Of course the SC might have jurisdiction to make a ruling as to Constitutional meanining of ‘natural born’ in which case the ball for any following action would be in Congress. As I see it the SC cannot rule that ‘citizen’ is the equal or same as ‘natural born citizen’ because the Constitution’s written words call for a/the difference as to POTUSA and Representatives/Senators. At least I assume the explicit words of the Constitution are the ‘Law of the Land’ above any court opinion.
“Screw the MSM. Kowtowing to them is insane, its defeat, its waving the white flag, its deserting in wartime.”
I do not know why you include me.
I do not kowtow to ANYONE, especially the US MSM, which I have not seen or heard since 2005.
You have to face the fact that they DO influence the 50%
of Americans that are brain dead.
How else do you think America got an illegal and Marxist POTUS?
I especially appreciate his mention of the transaction log.
WND had an article about a letter that was written by one of the head HDOH guys when the HDOH was trying to meet the standards as it switched from territory to state. The letter described that the numbers were given immediately when the BC was accepted by the state registrar, which fits with what Okubo said on the UIPA responses. There should have been no delay in assigning the numbers.
Yet when CNN did a piece before Obama posted the longform, they asked Stig Waidelich to request a birth certificate - supposedly to prove that a COLB is the default, what a person gets when they don’t specifically ask for a copy of a longform. We already knew that. What was interesting, though, was that they had a shot of Waidelich’s BC# and it was way out of sequence. Supposedly filed on Aug 8, the same day as Obama’s was supposedly filed. But it was something like 40 numbers higher than the Nordykes’ which were filed 3 days later.
No way that happened. Definitely fishy. I suspect that CNN and the HDOH planned that out in advance so that the BC# would be altered just for that COLB to be printed out and then put back how it was before. Someone on my blog pointed out that the HDOH web page says that they don’t do walk-up BC’s; they normally take a week to be printed out, unless there is a request for an urgency exception. I didn’t see the CNN piece, but if Waidelich walked up and got a COLB then and there, he either had an exception filled out (which would defeat CNN’s purpose of trying to show what the routine procedure is) OR it was requested a week earlier and was ready for pick-up when CNN filmed Waidelich picking it up at the HDOH office. A week is plenty of time to print a custom COLB with altered BC#.
If so, that fits right in line with the analysis by this guy, suggesting that different BC’s were used to patch together the parts needed to get the desired result on Obama’s long-form - which means that the HDOH actually created the forgery using the BC’s they have at their disposal. If the HDOH was willing to do that, I’m sure they would be willing to shift BC#’s around.
And the only way to know they did it would be to see the transaction logs for all the involved records. When this finally gets investigated I want to find out whether Stig Waidelich’s BC# changed for a day.
The most damaging piece of evidence regarding the possibility that Sunahara’s BC# was stolen wasn’t included in the WND piece: even though her name is in their 1960-64 birth index, the HDOH has claimed they don’t have a birth record for Sunahara. Either they are outright lying about that, or the record that originally had her name no longer shows up when they query her name. Her record is still in the system but it doesn’t have her name on it. We need to know what name IS on that record, and what name changes that record has been through since its origin.
Ultimately, as long as the HDOH is willing to forge long-forms (if what this analysis says is correct) it won’t do us any good even if we could get long-forms, which the HDOH has since sometime in late March refused to do. A convincing forgery, for instance, showing Sunahara having a BC# different than Obama’s (for instance, Stig Waidelich’s REAL BC#) could falsely “debunk” this theory.
The ONLY information that means anything when you’ve got a crooked bureaucracy is the non-manipulable record, which in this case is the transaction logs.
I believe that the public needs to be aware of the discrepancies perpetrated by the HDOH itself, so a demand is created for an audit of the transaction logs. That’s the only way we’re ever gonna know for sure what happened with ANY of these records. And the HDOH has enough records that have anomalies that they could be hiding the marble under any one of 3-4 shifting “cups”.
Something this guy said was very interesting. He said that the transaction logs are supposed to be disclosable to the public in Washington (IIRC) and he thought the same was true for Hawaii. When I asked the HDOH for the transaction log for Obama’s birth record I got a lot of sputtering by the HDOH ultimately ending with them saying it would frustrate a legitimate government function if they disclosed the transaction log.
Seems like the 2 ways that the logs could be audited would be through subpoena in a court case or by a criminal/legal investigation.
Orly Taitz has a case now where she requests discovery of the birth records for Virginia Sunahara. If that or any other case results in “standing” this issue could actually get somewhere.
Sorry to be so long.
From Post # 80:
Editors Note: The following two paragraphs are the information which Ms. Daniels sent us quoted from Ayerss Fugitive Dreams:
After the Baltimore fiasco, stealing ID was forbidden. Instead we began to build ID sets around documents as flimsy as a fishing license or a laminated card available in a Times Square novelty shop called Official ID.
"We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart,
"and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates.
"I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota, searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955.
"The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificatesavailable to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paperbut they had never applied for a Social Security card.
Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred. For years I was a paper-made Joseph Brown, and then an Anthony Lee, remarkably durable identities. My on-paper official residences: a transient hotel in San Francisco and a warehouse in New York.
20 posted on Monday, May 16, 2011 7:15:29 PM by Seizethecarp
451 posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:05:56 PM by little jeremiah
I didn’t know that Farah was a FReeper here.
I think the more important questions are:
What sort of low lifes would put down fellow FReepers who have taken risks for the good of our country?
What kind of a person would steal a dead baby’s birth certificate number?
What kind of a person steals social security numbers?
“I wish people would just move on from this, it just makes 0bama more popular.”
Got any proof to substantiate that bald statement?
I don’t agree.
IF it was me, and I have buried a baby who died at eight days old, I would be FURIOUS that my childs death was used this way.
The 83 year old has been paid off, or voted for the Ozombie.
I would be seriously pissed if ANYONE did this to my child.
“What sort of person would ask someone for the birth certificate of their dead baby?
Thats exactly what a lot of forgers count on....”
That is the point. Forgers DID use the dead baby’s certificate. If the mother HAD a birth certificate, it could be used to COMPARE to the fake.