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The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 17, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:18 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

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To: Albertafriend

I’m sorry but she only copied certain pages, and I did check for Lee back when it first came up - we don’t have any “lee” pages copied.


201 posted on 05/18/2011 2:10:33 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: LucyT
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. . . . # 190.

202 posted on 05/18/2011 2:19:17 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Kleon

“”No, my problem with this is that there’s not one shred of evidence to support this latest conspiracy theory, just insane assumptions. Certainly not reason enough to bother a woman about her dead baby and ask for her birth certificate.”’

Well, where do you think the “shreds of evidence” come from? Spontaneous creation? She didn’t dream up the theory on her own or out of nowhere. Using birth info from deceased persons has been practiced forever.

She did tell the woman she was researching infant deaths from 1961. Guess what? That was the truth.

Unless there is factual info tying this childs BC# to obama, she is not investigating anything but the facts surrounding the death and burial. She did not pressure the mother at all, and only asked simple questions. No accusations or probing happened. Clara did not appear to mind answering the questions or to be upset by them.

I’m certain that if it turns out that obama has used a deceased child’s BC# you’ll be out in front bellowing, “so what-the kids dead and don’t need it anyway”.

Researching anything has to start somewhere. Some people are obnoxious when the question people, and don’t care about how they try to get info. Many aren’t bothered in putting out half-assed conclusions based on flawed or corrupted “material”. Like the liberals and the MSM.

This research is carefully done. And while no one has made an assumption, many recognize that IF the number on the obama COLB is not legit, it had to be “borrowed” from somewhere.

We can’t rule something out or include it even, without doing some research. Maybe YOU want to go through life believing every thing some politician hands you, but as for me, I believe skepticism is healthy.


203 posted on 05/18/2011 2:38:36 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Kleon
Having a researcher approach the issue indirectly and respectfully is not lying.

However, I don't like WND telephoning the family, its pointless at best if the tactful in-person approach did not work, and at worst its just bring back the memory of losing a child.

There is no way that conservatives could outbid any theoretical Obama plumbing team, so please no approaches to the family offering small amounts of cash, just leave them be.

The Sunahara File number is only one possible candidate, the other close births could belong to families who may be loyal Democrats - folks who take on party loyalty like loyalty to a sports team, so those are possible too.

204 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:56 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: madison10

No one got to Trump! He is an ally of the Democratic Party. He was a major contributor to Rham Emanuals mayor bid. He just did this whole charade as part of a coordinated act for Obama to release his lastest phony birth certificate. He was never ever a serious candidate.

This release of the BC accomplished two things:
1. Solved the BC issue for those who never research anything for themselves.
2. Make birthers seem even more crazy.


205 posted on 05/18/2011 3:15:01 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Exmil_UK

I agree with you - I thought WND phoning the woman in that way was a bad move.

The ONLY good thing it did was to hopefully discourage others from contacting her in a similar way.


206 posted on 05/18/2011 3:43:29 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest
Maybe YOU want to go through life believing every thing some politician hands you, but as for me, I believe skepticism is healthy.

To be honest, I don't think this is healthy. My position on the birthers has always been that they were looking for an emotional outlet to deal with Obama being President, but this is the first time I thought there might be something wrong with some of them. Like any conspiracy theory, this one is pushing further towards the lunatic fringe.

207 posted on 05/18/2011 3:48:04 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Kleon

Keep on selling your “birthers are deranged” crap. Who cares. Listen, I know you wouldn’t read these threads except to try to insult and deride people who don’t believe obama’s bunk.

Otherwise you wouldn’t keep coming back, you wouldn’t keep insulting and you wouldn’t try to convince people that it’s “all a hopeless cause of kooks”.

Bah. No one even cares about people like you anyway. We are quite over you.


208 posted on 05/18/2011 4:29:26 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest
No one even cares about people like you anyway. We are quite over you.

Ain't that the truth. Most of us don't read their comments anyway, just skip over them.

209 posted on 05/18/2011 4:35:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ladysforest; Brown Deer

Well why am I not surprised? Why does everything have to be so bizarre with this issue?


210 posted on 05/18/2011 5:38:00 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: Kleon

Yes, you truly are a klingon lunatic!


211 posted on 05/18/2011 6:02:58 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: nolongerademocrat
And I believe that Obama was involved in the blinding of that South African athlete at the airport.

I had not heard of this blinding.

Was this years ago, or recently?

What would be the motive?

212 posted on 05/19/2011 6:24:09 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

It was years ago during anti-apartheid protests. Turns out it was a policeman who was blinded, the protestors missed the sports team.


213 posted on 05/19/2011 6:41:39 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Interesting theories from link

...Madelyn Dunham moved from teller to Vice President of the Hawaii National Bank in a record period of time...The Ford Foundation dumped plenty of money through the Hawaii National Bank to support micro-finance.

Madelyn was also a probate volunteer so would have had access to any death certificates coming in…remember the death certificates have the birth certificate numbers on them.

If the stolen social security number belongs to someone who actually died in Hawaii or California (he may have been vacationing in Hawaii), it would lend more credence to Madelyn Dunham’s attempt to secure a social security card for grandson “Obama”–who apparently started calling himself that without formally changing his name.


214 posted on 05/19/2011 9:30:03 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
also from above link.

..From there birth certificates, social security numbers, and drivers licenses were all easily made. Over the years it was probably thousands of identities.

It is also possible to manufacture multiple identities off of that one death certificate. One of the Black Panther Party/Weather Underground’s 1981 Brink’s robbers who is still in jail used the manufactured identity of “Nathanial Tate” but his real name is Sekou Odinga, and yes, he is related to Raile Odinga, Obama’s cousin. The Brink’s robbery was north of New York City and three officers were killed.


215 posted on 05/19/2011 9:34:35 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Also I just noticed that the photo of Obama in the WH Crisis Center is PHOTOSHOPPED. He was NOT THERE at that moment. Go look, it’s obvious


216 posted on 05/19/2011 10:09:42 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: Rapscallion

Also I just noticed that the photo of Obama in the WH Crisis Center is PHOTOSHOPPED. He was NOT THERE at that moment. Go look, it’s obvious


Soebarkah voting present again???


217 posted on 05/19/2011 1:30:44 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Yaelle; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Hotlanta Mike; bgill; Brown Deer; Ladysforest; Red Steel; David; ...
We have to FIGHT the media. With people like Donald Trump on our side, we CAN.

I recall that Donald Trump had suggested that there was a chance the BC could be a forgery before it was released, saying that he had encountered forgers sometimes in his business dealings on Wall Street. But since the White House release of the purported BC, Trump seems to have exited the controversy, not giving the public his opinion on whether the BC is authentic or not.

Whose side is Donald Trump on NOW?

218 posted on 05/19/2011 1:46:06 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Whose side is Donald Trump on NOW?

I think the bigger question is: whose side was Trump on when he started his whole birth certificate charade?

ML/NJ

219 posted on 05/19/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: justiceseeker93
I recall that Donald Trump had suggested that there was a chance the BC could be a forgery before it was released,

And Trump suggested the same after Obama's forgery was released in his New Hampshire news conference:

Trump-

"Why didn't he do it a long time ago?... I want to look at it. I hope it is true. ... Now, we have to look at it. We have to see if is real? Is it proper? I hope it checks out properly. ... Why didn't he do it a long time ago? When people were asking... People asked me for my birth certificate and I gave it 2 days later. ...

...I'm going to look at ...We will have many people looking at it it is amazing that it materializes. Experts will look at it. ... Lot's of people have to look at it..."

Question: If is not true for example, [Obama's birth certificate] does this mean this country is being lead by an illegal president?

Trump: Lets hope it is true. The question is negative. If it's not true ; I hope it is true. I won't answer that question now. ....

Video:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-press-conference-2011-4

220 posted on 05/19/2011 2:23:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: justiceseeker93

“Whose side is Donald Trump on NOW?”

Good question.

Losing his TV show would have been too big a hit in his pocketbook, so bowing out of the race is therefore logical.

I didn’t see the Correspondent’s Dinner where Obama nastily mocked Trump. What I heard from others is The Donald was really ticked-off by the treatment.

Maybe he will be a behind-the-scenes guy in the Republican Party, but that is only a guess.

What I do know is this: Obama’s handling of this nation and economy has got to be hurting Trump’s casino and hotel businesses. Trump makes the vast amount of his fortune off of the disposable cash spent by middle-class folks at his casinos and hotels. They do not have jobs and money to spend - Donald has no income.

That is enough reason to switch from Democrat to Republican.


221 posted on 05/19/2011 2:38:40 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: nolongerademocrat

In September of 1981 BHO was in Pakistan with his boyfriend, Chandoo.


222 posted on 05/19/2011 2:43:40 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: opentalk; All

also from above link.

..From there birth certificates, social security numbers, and drivers licenses were all easily made. Over the years it was probably thousands of identities.
It is also possible to manufacture multiple identities off of that one death certificate. One of the Black Panther Party/Weather Underground’s 1981 Brink’s robbers who is still in jail used the manufactured identity of “Nathanial Tate” but his real name is Sekou Odinga, and yes, he is related to Raile Odinga, Obama’s cousin. The Brink’s robbery was north of New York City and three officers were killed.


Another Odinga!!! My the connections never cease do they...Odinga Odinga Obama...


223 posted on 05/19/2011 2:47:11 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Cicero

Agree, I wouldn’t give my name up to the regime.


224 posted on 05/19/2011 2:49:51 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." A. C. Clarke)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
The Obama Crime Family,video

Interesting video, Many drug offenders.

225 posted on 05/19/2011 2:59:13 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: SatinDoll

In September of 1981 BHO was in Pakistan with his boyfriend, Chandoo.

At least thats his story and he’s sticking to it. Would be nice to see his travel records, maybe its just an alibi?


226 posted on 05/19/2011 3:06:10 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Hotlanta Mike

His name was Nathanial Burns, he’s still in prison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekou_Odinga

In 1965 Sekou joined the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU), founded by Malcolm X. After Malcolm’s death the OAAU was not going in the direction he wanted and in 1967 he was looking at the Black Panther Party. In early 1968 he helped build the Bronx Black Panther Party.

http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2009/02/malcolm-x-barack-obama-oginga-odinga.html

Odinga had an impact on human rights groups in the United States. While he was in the U.S., the State Department took him on a tour of America. The last stop was Atlanta, self-described as “The City Too Busy to Hate.” Odinga was housed at one of Atlanta’s two non segregated hotels.

When the activists of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) heard about Odinga’s visit, they decided to “pull his coat” and provide him with information that would be neglected by the State Department. They visited Odinga’s hotel room and shared stories and songs of the human-rights movement to acquaint this African visitor with how the United States treated her African population.

He responded, “Uhuru,” the Swahili word for “freedom.” Following their visit to Odinga the SNCC delegation went to the Toddle House restaurant near the hotel. They sat in to protest the restaurant’s “whites only” policy, and 17 were arrested...

http://georgehartley.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-need-mau-mau-in-mississippi-malcolm.html

Jomo Kenyatta, Oginga Odinga, and the Mau Mau will go down as the greatest African patriots and freedom fighters that that continent ever knew, and they will be given credit for bringing about the independence of many of the existing independent states on that continent right now. There was a time when their image was negative, but today they’re looked upon with respect and their chief is the president and their next chief is the vice president.

I have to take time to mention that because, in my opinion, not only in Mississippi and Alabama, but right here in New York City, you and I can best learn how to get real freedom by studying how Kenyatta brought it to his people in Kenya, and how Odinga helped him, and the excellent job that was done by the Mau Mau freedom fighters. In fact, that’s what we need in Mississippi. In Mississippi we need a Mau Mau. In Alabama we need a Mau Mau. In Georgia we need a Mau Mau. Right here in Harlem, in New York City, we need a Mau Mau.


227 posted on 05/19/2011 3:18:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Trump is on Trump’s side. Thanks justiceseeker93.


228 posted on 05/19/2011 4:01:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; justiceseeker93

obumpa


229 posted on 05/19/2011 6:41:21 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: justiceseeker93

I’m disappointed there’s not been a peep out of The Donald. But, he could have had a visit and warned his contracts would be scrutinized. Something is definitely not right and I smell an ice cream eatin’ golf playin’ RAT.


230 posted on 05/19/2011 9:11:23 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Kleon; so_real
Maybe when you actually accomplish something other than make conservatives look foolish.

What is exactly what YOU are doing so well yourself as usual!!!

231 posted on 05/19/2011 10:02:26 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Brown Deer; Kleon
He/she/it is spelling the name Kleon wrong!!!

It's supposed to be spelled the Scandinavian way as KLOVN???

232 posted on 05/19/2011 10:08:10 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Jeff Winston; mnehring
When asked the question, she's already in the mode of re-living the loss, and some fifty years later would not make any difference!!!

More likely that number was purchased for silence or DOH just went ahead and issued her Number anyway as part of their many criminal actions???

233 posted on 05/20/2011 6:32:52 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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