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Santorum: McCain doesn't understand interrogation
AP/WorldMag ^ | May 17, 9:25 PM EDT | DONNA CASSATA

Posted on 05/17/2011 8:26:49 PM PDT by quantim

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Sen. Rick Santorum said Tuesday that Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years enduring brutal treatment at the hands of his North Vietnamese captors, doesn't know how effective waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques can be. The Republican presidential contender insisted the tactics led the United States to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech last week that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, did not provide information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

McCain said he asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and that the hunt for bin Laden did not begin with fresh information from Mohammed. In fact, the name of bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, came from a detainee held in another country.

"Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; mccain; torture; waterboarding


Lesson learned in 2008 after 48 years, duh.
1 posted on 05/17/2011 8:26:53 PM PDT by quantim
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To: quantim

There is a large number of people who believe if we don’t do it to them they won’t do it to any of ours. Lots of luck with that.


2 posted on 05/17/2011 8:33:22 PM PDT by pankot
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To: pankot

Yeah, and it’s more like “if we don’t dribble a little water on theirs, maybe the won’t chop the heads off of ours”.

What BS!

Wanna bet people in our country spend a lot more time worrying about their bad guys being waterboarded than they spend worrying about how our guys are treated.


3 posted on 05/17/2011 8:39:44 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: quantim
The certainly seems to be a rash of Presidential candidates trying to out stupid each other.

We are fooked - W. Wallace

4 posted on 05/17/2011 8:43:14 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How much longer can the charade last?)
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To: quantim

Santorum could be right, but to invoke McCain’s name on this subject shows he is still as stupid as when he went to bat for Spectre.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 8:44:30 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: quantim

I’d like anyone of those people to state one country, just one who treated any of our POW’s with any sort of dignity. Just one.


6 posted on 05/17/2011 8:47:18 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: kbennkc
Santorum could be right, but to invoke McCain’s name on this subject shows he is still as stupid as when he went to bat for Spectre.

Yup. The boy just grew a Dudley Do-Right chin, apparently the better to lead with it. Stoopid.

7 posted on 05/17/2011 8:48:18 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: quantim

I am no fan of John McCain, but what a stupid thing to say about a man who was in the Hanoi Hilton...


8 posted on 05/17/2011 8:49:14 PM PDT by RRismyhero (Mr. Obama - You can keep your change.)
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To: quantim
It may be counter-intuitive, but I think McCain's Vietnam experience actually makes his opinion one to be slightly discounted. What position would you expect him to take?

Sometimes people closest to a subject are the one's with the least rational position. Don't ask somebody that's lost a loved one to a drunk driver if .01 is the proper level to declare a driver impaired. Don't ask a fire chief if a door should be left open. And don't ask victim of real torture if waterboarding is good policy.

9 posted on 05/17/2011 8:58:47 PM PDT by Minn
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To: quantim
"he (McCain) doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works"

Say what you want about McCain.

But there's no doubt Rick Santorum is too stupid to be dog catcher.

McCain went to SERE school before he spent 5 1/2 years in a NVA prison.

He knows how enhanced interrogation works.

10 posted on 05/17/2011 9:12:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: RRismyhero
I am no fan of John McCain, but what a stupid thing to say about a man who was in the Hanoi Hilton...

Well, except for that part in his autobiography where John McCain admits that he broke under torture. McCain knows real torture, and that it works.

11 posted on 05/17/2011 9:15:00 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke
"John McCain admits that he broke under torture"

Every man breaks under torture.

12 posted on 05/17/2011 9:21:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: quantim

I disagree a lot with McVain’s politics, but I will NEVER disparage his military service. Santorum owes McVain a huge apology!!


13 posted on 05/17/2011 9:24:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Read the article. Santorum is correct, and McCain, as usual, is mistaken.

Santorum did NOT disparage McCain's service, either.

Santorum doesn't owe McCain anything.

14 posted on 05/17/2011 9:56:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: RRismyhero

“I am no fan of John McCain, but what a stupid thing to say about a man who was in the Hanoi Hilton”

Yeh I’m thinking McCain has a lot of up close and personal understanding of enhanced interrogation. It almost killed him. I can understand why he is agains’t us using it. We need to just leave him out of the conversation.


15 posted on 05/17/2011 10:37:22 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I think McCain has a lot of experience with torture. I don’t agree that enhanced interrogation or water boarding is torture. Also, terrorists are not protected by the Geneva Convention and are in the same category as spies and saboteurs. They are outside the laws of war and therefore are subject to summary execution. They are lucky to be alive at all.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 11:11:15 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“It almost killed him.”

No, torture did. Real torture, not the bluff torture we use. I think that is what Rick is saying. But no easy way to do that using McLame.

17 posted on 05/18/2011 1:07:44 AM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: quantim

And another GOP candidate self-destructs.

Why do they make it so easy for the other side?


18 posted on 05/18/2011 8:02:57 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Still fighting the fight: njconservative.wordpress.com/)
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To: MPJackal

I understand all that. What I am saying is that you would expect McCain to be agains’t torture of any kind based on what he went through so I don’t think we should include McCain in the conversation about enhanced interrogation.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 8:05:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FredZarguna
"Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said.

Santorum is wrong and McVain is right. The information did NOT come from KSM, but from another source according to other reports about this story. That, however, does not diminish the usefulness of waterboarding. In KSM's case, though, he has been waterboarded so many times that its continued use on him is questionable. He knows we won't let him die.

After McVain's experiences as a POW in Vietnam, I understand why he goes squishy on enhanced interrogation techniques. Does it work? Let me say this - I watched guys "break" in SERE school in the late 60s, and that was make believe; nothing like the real thing. Santorum would have done himself a bigger favor to keep his own counsel on this topic, than try to act like a provocative "leader". NONE of us, Santorum in particular, have walked a mile im McCain's moccasins. He spent over 5 years living inside the jaws of hell at the Hanoi Hilton. Every single day he breathes is a reminder of having his arms bound behind his back, from his wrists to his biceps, then being suspended for hours by his arms from a hook in the ceiling.

McCain doesn't understand interrogation!?? Santorum is an idiot!!

20 posted on 05/18/2011 9:18:50 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: DustyMoment
1) What McCain was subjected to was done for the purposes of breaking him so he would issue anti-American statements for propaganda purposes, and not to elicit specific intelligence information. 2) McCain was tortured. KSM was not. There was a legal opinion rendered by the DOJ that the harsh interrogation techniques used by US interrogators, including sleep deprivation, disorientation exercises, and in a very small number of cases, water-boarding are NOT torture. If you want to side with the leftists and claim he was tortured, then don't respond to me again; such an opinion is disqualifying of any serious debate. 3) McCain's reflexive abhorrence of harsh interrogation is understandable, but his own experiences have given him a blind spot. He does NOT understand how this information was gathered and corroborated. [Or else, he does know, but chooses to focus on KSM -- a red herring that is not the substance of what Santorum was talking about.] Multiple men who ran the CIA across multiple administrations have agreed that enhanced interrogation was crucial in obtaining information pertinent to the case, and KSM was not the primary source of the intelligence.

John McCain is a war hero. But he is not the Pope. Even when speaking Ex Cathedra on matters doctrinal or moral he can be wrong. In the instant case, he is wrong, and Santorum is correct.

21 posted on 05/18/2011 9:34:35 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Mariner
Every man breaks under torture.

Of course. But now McCain is lying two ways. 1 - he says torture doesn't work, and 2 - he says that the enhanced interrogation techniques are torture.

22 posted on 05/19/2011 8:04:05 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: FredZarguna

Soooooo . . . . . . . even though you agreed with many of my comments, you insist that I’m wrong and am siding with the leftists.

You have a funny perspective on things. Since I’m not having a serious discussion, I’ll wish you a nice life.

Good chatting with you.


23 posted on 05/19/2011 9:53:45 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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