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Dominique Strauss-Kahn: sexual contact with chambermaid 'consensual'
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 10:51PM BST 17 May 2011 | Jon Swaine

Posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:47 PM PDT by rawhide

Dominique Strauss-Kahn will admit he had sexual contact with the hotel chambermaid who alleges he attacked her, but insist it was consensual, his lawyers have indicated.

The International Monetary Fund chief allegedly locked the maid in his suite at Manhattan's Sofitel on Saturday and forced her to give him oral sex. He was denied $1m bail and is being held at Rikers Island jail.

However in a hint at what may become his main line of defence, his attorney, Benjamin Brafman, said at New York criminal court: "The evidence, we believe, will not be consistent with a forcible encounter".

It came as prosecutors, who claim a medical examination of the maid "corroborates her accounts", were alleged to have discovered blood in the hotel room.

The maid's attorney, Jeff Shapiro, strongly denied suggestions that the pair may have had consensual sex.

“There is no way in which there is any aspect of this event which could be construed consensual in any manner,” said Mr Shapiro. “This is nothing other than a physical, sexual assault by this man on this young woman."

Mr Shapiro also moved to quash suggestions that the maid may have been involved in a conspiracy.

"This is a woman with no agenda," he said, adding that she had not even known who Mr Strauss-Kahn was.

Meanwhile the brother of the woman, a 32-year-old from Guinea with a 15-year-old daughter, said she had phoned him and said "somebody did something really bad to me" after the alleged incident.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
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So it continues. Destroy the testimony of the young innocent woman.
1 posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:50 PM PDT by rawhide
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Destroy the testimony of the young innocent woman.

Is he not entitled to a defense? For now, all it seems is that this is a he-said-she-said case. The cops arrested him based solely on the testimony of the alleged victim and her ability to pick him out of a police lineup. Was a rape examination performed on the alleged victim? Was there any proof that the victim did not consent to sex?

As much as we should hate the IMF, this guy is still an accused criminal and deserves a presumption of innocence.

2 posted on 05/17/2011 9:11:16 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rawhide

I’m going to reserve judgement. There’s a conservative in jail for molesting a child of an ex-girlfriend...it’s pretty clear it never happened but he’s sitting in jail waiting a fair trial.

If this guy is known to not turn a woman away it is possible political people could sabotage him by setting him up like this. He was in the middle of bailing out a bunch of bankrupt nations...so there’s probably a lot of people who would like to see him gone.

Not saying he didn’t do it and he does look guilty taking off to the airport, but if a woman was doing me a “favor” then took off running screaming rape...I’d be scared.

Rape and child molestation you’re guilty until you prove yourself innocent—the perfect way to set someone up.


3 posted on 05/17/2011 9:12:29 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: rawhide

A new line of defense every day.

How could there be consensual sex if he wasn’t there - he was off with his daughter? And he floated the notion the maid was “too ugly to rape.”

Pepe LePew is changing his story as often as Crystal Mangum. Lock him away before he stabs somebody.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 9:16:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: pnh102; for-q-clinton

Considering the guy’s past, this is what is occurring. If he never had any sex problems in his past, then perhaps your arguments would hold water.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 9:17:57 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
Considering the guy’s past, this is what is occurring. If he never had any sex problems in his past, then perhaps your arguments would hold water.

Does he have prior convictions of rape, or are there just other women coming out of the woodwork claiming he raped them too?

I don't buy the "oh they found blood" thing either... that can happen even with consensual sex (maybe he liked it rough?)

I still want to know what other types of evidence the police had that showed that he raped this woman. After the Duke Lacrosse case, we should all reserve judgement until the facts come out.

6 posted on 05/17/2011 9:21:00 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rawhide

She said her name was Consuelo, he says it was consensual, something got lost in the translation.


7 posted on 05/17/2011 9:22:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: pnh102

Wait and see!


8 posted on 05/17/2011 9:22:28 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

So you must also agree that a whore can’t be raped.

I don’t believe his past sexcapades will be allowed in court.

Once again I’m not defending him...just reserving judgement. Remember the Duke Lacross deal?


9 posted on 05/17/2011 9:24:32 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
Not saying he didn’t do it and he does look guilty taking off to the airport, but if a woman was doing me a “favor” then took off running screaming rape...I’d be scared.
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Well, if a woman that is doing you a “favor” is left bleeding, maybe you should be scared.

The blood evidence makes a pretty strong case against him.

10 posted on 05/17/2011 9:27:19 PM PDT by kara37
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To: pnh102

Funny you should mention the Duke case.
In that case, the party that was lying (Crystal Mangum) told an ever changing series of stories.

In this case, Straus-Kahn has told an ever changing series of stories.

The side that is telling the truth doesn’t have to keep coming up with new versions of the truth.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 9:29:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: kara37

Where was she bleeding from? Does it correspond to his nails or body causing the blood? Blood alone doesn’t mean much.


12 posted on 05/17/2011 9:29:58 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: pnh102

After the Duke Lacrosse case, we should all be careful about believing the party that keeps changing his story.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 9:30:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: MrEdd

I’m not following this story that closely...I’m not aware of his multiple stories/reasons.

But if he’s smart he’d shut his mouth—guilty or not. Let his lawyer do the talking. There’s no way he is going to talk himself out of a rape charge.


14 posted on 05/17/2011 9:31:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: rawhide
He fled. The cops had to stop his flight when it was literally getting ready to take off. That's not going to look good to a jury.

I'm betting the Roman Polansky case and the fact his guy is from France means he'll never get bail.

15 posted on 05/17/2011 9:33:25 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: MrEdd
In that case, the party that was lying (Crystal Mangum) told an ever changing series of stories.

True, but in this situation it is not the accused's changing of stories that will hang him, but rather the state's ability or inability to prove its case.

If all that is needed to lock up a man is for a woman to call 911, drop a name, and pick him out of a police lineup, then that is very, very disturbing and terrifying.

16 posted on 05/17/2011 9:33:32 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: for-q-clinton

This woman is 35-years old, wears a head scarf and is Muslim. Think on it, mon ami.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn has been described by another of his victims (one who is French) as, ahem, a “sex-crazed chimpanzee”.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 9:33:50 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: pnh102

this guy is still an accused criminal .........


with a history....just sayin....


18 posted on 05/17/2011 9:34:42 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: pnh102
He's a filthy Marxist bankster-gangster and probably best friends with the Spooky Dude.

I'm past caring if life is fair to pathological tyrants.

19 posted on 05/17/2011 9:35:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SatinDoll

The chamber maid did it


20 posted on 05/17/2011 9:35:18 PM PDT by woofie
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To: rawhide

21 posted on 05/17/2011 9:36:03 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: rawhide

Hang him now!


22 posted on 05/17/2011 9:36:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
After the Duke Lacrosse case, we should all be careful about believing the party that keeps changing his story.

I am not saying I believe him. I just want to see the state's version of events and the evidence it has to prove that version of events beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is how every crime other than rape is handled. I do not believe that rape is some sort of "special" class of crime in which the accused no longer has Constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

23 posted on 05/17/2011 9:37:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: for-q-clinton
I agree the law says he is innocent until proven guilty, but when you read and hear about a person's sordid past, as is true in this guy's past, then it is easy to jump to a conclusion, even without a trial. Believe, the defense will do everything they can to destroy this woman, because destroying her will make it easier for them to win at trial. It is a common defense tactic.
24 posted on 05/17/2011 9:37:43 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: is_is
with a history....just sayin....

Does he have a record of criminal convictions? Even if he did, it does not apply to this case.

A bunch of women coming out of the woodwork claiming "oh he raped me too" doesn't make for a history. That could happen to any man.

25 posted on 05/17/2011 9:39:44 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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>> “Was there any proof that the victim did not consent to sex?” <<

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Yes, and shame on you! - His actions preclude any presumption of innocence.


26 posted on 05/17/2011 9:39:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: woofie

You’re hysterically funny, woofie - NOT!


27 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:39 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: pnh102

By saying it was consensual the guy is admitting sexual contact took place... He knows the physical evidence is against him ....The evidence is unlikely that a woman with a good employment history in a very high class /expensive place had sexual contact with a stranger who she dealt with for an extremely short period of time ...If it didnt happen before I doubt that it happened this time


28 posted on 05/17/2011 9:42:33 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
By saying it was consensual the guy is admitting sexual contact took place... He knows the physical evidence is against him ...

That's what I am getting at. These two might have had a very wild evening together. Unless there were spectators, how can it be proven that it was rape?

29 posted on 05/17/2011 9:44:37 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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If there are cameras in the hallways you will see how much time and thus contact went on between them

you also have her check in check out time ...I bet she comes on duty in the morning and is out of there by 3


30 posted on 05/17/2011 9:47:08 PM PDT by woofie
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To: pnh102

If there are cameras in the hallways you will see how much time and thus contact went on between them

you also have her check in check out time ...I bet she comes on duty in the morning and is out of there by 3


31 posted on 05/17/2011 9:47:22 PM PDT by woofie
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To: pnh102
Unless there were spectators, how can it be proven that it was rape?

Boy oh boy!!!! What a truly asinine comment! Are you a muslim? (they have to have 4 witnesses to prove rape)

32 posted on 05/17/2011 9:48:41 PM PDT by rawhide
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Lemme see, King Kahn, meets a chamber maid and within minutes, she’s smitten with his wild, youthful good looks, rips off her clothes and makes passionate love, to Kahn, all within 5 minutes. King Kahn, keep dreamin...
This housekeeper was in charge of cleaning the $3,000 a night suites, was very responsible, has a family with 3 kids and is not on drugs at the time. King Kahn might have been.


33 posted on 05/17/2011 9:50:14 PM PDT by sfwarrior (Never Forget The Fallen Heroes)
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To: woofie
We just see story after story of man after man destroyed by unfounded allegations of rape. Even when they are completely innocent, many are jailed unjustly and have their careers and reputations ruined beyond repair. They even lose their spouses, friends, family. They end up being financially ruined with no hope of ever making a recovery.

All of it destroyed because some woman cries "rape."

So yes, call me skeptical.

34 posted on 05/17/2011 9:50:27 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Where was she bleeding from? Does it correspond to his nails or body causing the blood? Blood alone doesn’t mean much.br /> *********************************************

It's not blood evidence alone. The medical examination corroborates her story along with blood evidence found in the room.

She must have been bleeding, or the blood found in the room would have not be relevant.

35 posted on 05/17/2011 9:52:18 PM PDT by kara37
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Boy oh boy!!!! What a truly asinine comment! Are you a muslim?

I am merely asking for proof that shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty of the crime of rape. You are not only convicting this guy without a trial, but you make a ad hominem attack against someone who believes that the rule of law should be respected.

Sounds like a winning argument to me. /s

36 posted on 05/17/2011 9:53:39 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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From ABC:

His alleged victim is still reeling from the attack she says took her completely by surprise, according to a close friend.

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“She was still crying today,” a friend of the alleged victim told ABC News. “She was completely devastated. I was the first person she called.”

The alleged victim, a housekeeper at New York City’s Sofitel Hotel, called the friend from the emergency room at St. Luke’s hospital, where she was examined by doctors and questioned by New York Police Department detectives Saturday night after the alleged attack.

“She called me and said, ‘Something really bad happened,’” he said.

He described his friend, an immigrant from West Africa and the mother of a 15-year-old girl, as a “good Muslim” and “not the kind of woman to attack a man.”

“She didn’t understand why he did such a thing,” he said.

ABC News does not identify the alleged victims of sexual assault.


37 posted on 05/17/2011 9:55:07 PM PDT by woofie
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To: pnh102

crystal mangum?


38 posted on 05/17/2011 9:56:20 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: woofie

Again, I am not saying this guy is innocent, but based on what you post, all we have is the alleged victim’s version of events, based on what she said. Let’s wait and see what evidence the state has against the accused.


39 posted on 05/17/2011 9:59:11 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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For someone to assert the woman may not be telling the truth that a sexual assault had taken place, because she did not have any witnesses, has lost it completely.


40 posted on 05/17/2011 9:59:52 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: sfwarrior

might be getting a little more humiliating...for him:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/does-dsk-have-syph-strauss-kahn-housed-facility-inmates-contagious-diseases


41 posted on 05/17/2011 10:01:09 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: rolling_stone

No comparison between the two women! You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even implying that!


42 posted on 05/17/2011 10:02:17 PM PDT by rawhide
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No comparison between the two women! You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even implying that!

the comparison was not meant between people but cases...fair trial, rush to judgement and all that ... I was responding to someone suggesting we hold our judgement/conviction until the full evidence was presented. Crystal was a reminder of what can happen...


43 posted on 05/17/2011 10:08:52 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rawhide
For someone to assert the woman may not be telling the truth that a sexual assault had taken place, because she did not have any witnesses, has lost it completely.

Why? Because that's never, ever happened before and everyone who has ever been accused of rape or sexual assault is 100% guilty as sin simply because of the at-present uncorroborated testimony of one alleged victim?

44 posted on 05/17/2011 10:08:52 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Its always the same. First they didn’t do it then well yes they did do it but it was consensual. She just liked it rough so thats why her knees are bruised and there’s blood all over the place. Tell it to the jury Dude.


45 posted on 05/17/2011 10:17:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: pnh102

There was a rape examination performed. FWIW, there are differences between consensual sex and forcible rape that can be found during the examination.

Ultimately it’s up to a jury.


46 posted on 05/17/2011 11:33:57 PM PDT by meatloaf
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I think you are right, and rape and sexual harassment cases are notoriously difficult to discern, because it often comes down to one person’s word against anothers.

In this case, Strauss-Kahn looks guilty to me - jmo - because of his previous history and the way he tried to flee. But the whirlwind of publicity does make me wonder if other forces are involved.


47 posted on 05/17/2011 11:50:22 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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It appeared consensual to him, because of cultural and language differences.

She kept saying, “Don’t! Stop! Don’t! Stop!”

He kept hearing, “Don’t stop! Don’t stop!”

The French Socialists saw and heard nothing.

This is really horrible, that she doesn’t feel honored to been the object of the gratification of her betters. Our lords and masters have great stresses, and need to regularly relieve the pressures ruling over us cause. What is this world coming to, that she dare object? /sarc


48 posted on 05/18/2011 12:11:09 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: BlackVeil

I half wonder if the guy promised this maid the moon for doing what he wanted for half an hour, and she said yes, but when the ordeal was over he told her the check would be in the mail and she said pay up now creep or I go to the cops, and all he had was credit cards.


49 posted on 05/18/2011 12:18:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: ApplegateRanch

She spoke French herself and would have had little trouble making herself understood.


50 posted on 05/18/2011 12:19:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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