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Imagining Detroit (Replacing uban decay with farms)
New York Times ^ | May 17, 2011 | MARK BITTMAN

Posted on 05/18/2011 12:46:12 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Detroit was once called the Paris of the West, but at this point it’s more reminiscent of Venice. Like Venice, its demise has been imminent for some time, as crucial businesses and huge chunks of the population flee. * * * * Imagine blocks that once boasted 30 houses, now with three; imagine hundreds of such blocks. Imagine the green space created by the city’s heartbreaking but intelligent policy of removing burnt-out or fallen-down houses. Now look at the corner of one such street, where a young man who has used the city’s “adopt-a-lot” program (it costs nothing) to establish an orchard, a garden and a would-be community center on three lots, one with a standing house. (The land, like many of the gardens, belongs to the city and is “leased” for a year at a time. But no one seems especially concerned about the city repossessing.)A young man who adopts eight lots and has bought another three has an operation that grows every year and trains eager young people. A Capuchin monastery operates gardens spanning 24 lots. . .

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TOPICS: Editorial; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bluezones; detroit; urban
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I drove from Tennessee to Port Huron, Michigan last summer to visit friends. I got off I-75 in downtown Detroit just for a few moments to look at some architecture. I drove around several blocks then got back on the interstate. I remember seeing one person on my short tour.
1 posted on 05/18/2011 12:46:15 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Yeah, “farms”. Must be a liberal “green” fantasy. Turn the cities of the “postindustrial” USA into “clean” farms and let China be the “filthy” manufacturing cesspool, I mean powerhouse.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 1:00:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Usually liberals get all hopped up over any hint of toxic contamination of land, but nobody’s asking whether these plots have residues of arsenic, mercury, lead, or other hazardous household wastes sufficient to get into the produce of the gardens. Even land like that might be good for growing flowers, but there ought to be a way of checking it.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 1:03:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

How wonderful. The democrat party has finally gotten back to their roots!!!

Those folks democrat fascist love so much are back down on the welfare plantations and can work with the earth all day in exchange for their benefit check. Then, at night they can sing and dance, tell stories and talk about what the democrat leadership is doing up in the big house. If only it was a suitable place to grow cotton.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 1:05:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Recovering Detroit would require a 50 KT city buster ignition.

No one is willing to waste a good device there... Cost/benefit analysis and whatnot.

I an so evil in spirit that I welcome my death.

5 posted on 05/18/2011 1:05:22 AM PDT by mmercier (guilt stricken and sobbing, head on the floor)
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To: Olog-hai

It must seem weird. Maybe even better, let the city turn back into woods and forests.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 1:05:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yep. Gotta check for lead content in the soil. Let's see the books to make sure any employees are being paid min. wage, etc.
You do have sufficient liability insurance, right? Enough toilets? No under-age workers?
Some guy from the Labor's Union was here today, don't know what he wanted. And another guy wanted to sell chain link fence, said vandals might visit the gardens without it...and soon!

Letter from a lawyer came. Remember that guy that stumbled over a rake last month? He wants his medical bills paid...now, or he sues the owner, the city.

What's the red tag? Health in specter’s warning. For what? Who cares...his brother owns a market in a strip mall.

What could go wrong?

7 posted on 05/18/2011 2:05:29 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Not to be the skunk at the picnic among my fellow freepers, but I think this is a splendid idea. It took far too long. I’ve been saying to do this in abandoned neighborhoods in Cleveland for a decade.

I’ll love it even more if the gardens/orchards/farms are operated as private enterprises, rather than collectives. Yes, profit generating entities. This article demonstrates once again, that capitalism succeeds every place it is earnestly tried. Imagine, someone thought to sell, via delivery, fresh produce in areas where many people are without autos. And I suspect there are no supermarkets in the area to buy fresh produce, either. To the residents, this must feel like a godsend.

And don’t underestimate the value of gardening outside all day long in the summer; you’re too damn tired to get into any trouble. :)


8 posted on 05/18/2011 2:10:04 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Red_Devil 232

In case you want to alert the usual suspects, boss!

:)


9 posted on 05/18/2011 2:14:50 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That`s a really good point. The EPA required DOD to do exhaustive studies of soil contaminations and other eco-impact prior to closing military bases. One would think that that would be a consideration for a broken-down Rust Belt city, much of which is about to be plowed under.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 2:21:01 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Daisyjane69

In theory it’s a good idea, but sounds inefficient to me.

Maintaining the road, water and electricity grid over 50 square miles with 20% population costs 5x as much as maintaining 10 SM fully populated.

Instead of having a sparsely populated “city” of large geographical area, it would make a lot more sense to abandon entire areas and return it to agriculture and create a much smaller but still densely populated city.


11 posted on 05/18/2011 2:22:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Brad from Tennessee

black farmer subsidies?


12 posted on 05/18/2011 2:36:06 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m sure it’s inefficient, short term.

I’m banking on free-market capitalism and entrepreneurs. This is a concept that truly needs to be introduced in these decaying urban areas, like Detroit & my beloved hometown of Cleveland. Too many big unions, too much dependency, too much LIBERALISM, have killed off these places. I’m hoping a return to first principles sparks a new day.

Perhaps, once there are enough “farmers” someone will acquire the capital to put up a farmers market. And the locals who still want to make deliveries can still do so. That means someone will not only need an extra truck but some auto place to service that truck! Hopefully, they buy gas from a local station. Maybe a cooking school will spring up. Or maybe young people will begin to become interested in this stuff again; most kids have no idea what real food is or where it comes from.

I’m always trying to walk on the sunny side of the street. :)


13 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:57 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: ScottinVA

I smell a massive democrat scam in the making. The soil in that area is loaded with decades of urban decay. And large portions of the waterfronts are soo toxic, any fish that dares venture in ends up floating soon after.

And exactly what crops would they plan on growing up there given the geography and climate?


14 posted on 05/18/2011 2:47:35 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Yes... green, postindustrial COLLECTIVE, communal farms... where everything is shared and nothing is owned.
Where, during the day, children attend indoctrination classes glorifying the Rev - “O” - lution.

Where happy, smiling, contented workers sing songs — in unison, of course — praising The One while toiling in the fields until sundown.

Where, at the end of each workday, the people of the new, liberated land ... relieved of the burdens of self-determination, personal “freedom”and organized religious faith.. gaze lovingly at 500-foot murals of Obama the Supreme smiling toward the skies.

Where, after opening as ordered with celebratory chants thanking the One for deliverance from the evil past, the people wait silently and obediently.. beneath the ubiquitous guard towers... in column formation with assigned, government-owned farming tools laying beside them.. for pre-recorded words of praise from the One Himself...

Where their hearts swoon as they hear the first teleprompter - generated words emerged from the loudspeakers...

“My dear subjects..”


15 posted on 05/18/2011 2:50:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Daisyjane69

I agree with you. Either do it there or, “Coming to a neighborhood near you”. The people who are suffering aren’t the a$$ wipes that destroyed the city. The idiots who couldn’t make an honest (non-corrupt) decision if their lives depended on it have long gone to find some other community to help with “the man’s” money. Community, hell they’re part of the president’s cabinet/czarism.


16 posted on 05/18/2011 2:51:58 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The libs will wave their magic fairy dust and wands over the land and pronounce it clean.


17 posted on 05/18/2011 2:57:44 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Daisyjane69

Since the land is leased from the corrupt feudal lord, the City of Detroit, any growing success and profit that is significant enough to be noticed by the bureaucrats will soon be swarmed by a mass of government leeches and ultimately crushed like an orchid under the hooves of a donkey.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 3:08:49 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Sherman Logan

I thought the police/fire were encouraging them to move the remaining population into a more compact, manageable area (and that the city intended to do this).


19 posted on 05/18/2011 3:09:10 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ScottinVA
"Where happy, smiling, contented workers sing songs — in unison, of course — praising The One while toiling in the fields until sundown."

Your depiction of the green society actually gave me shivers. I think this is exactly how the liberals who destroyed these once great cities think.

20 posted on 05/18/2011 3:16:59 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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