Skip to comments.Presumed Innocent, Anyone? (Ben Stein on the Strauss-Kahn case)
Posted on 05/18/2011 6:51:19 PM PDT by mewykwistmas
"3.) The prosecutors say that Mr. Strauss-Kahn "forced" the complainant to have oral and other sex with him. How? Did he have a gun? Did he have a knife? He's a short fat old man. They were in a hotel with people passing by the room constantly, if it's anything like the many hotels I am in. How did he intimidate her in that situation? And if he was so intimidating, why did she immediately feel un-intimidated enough to alert the authorities as to her story?
6.) People accuse other people of crimes all of the time. What do we know about the complainant besides that she is a hotel maid? I love and admire hotel maids....I am sure she is a fine woman. On the other hand, I have had hotel maids that were complete lunatics, stealing airline tickets from me, stealing money from me, throwing away important papers, stealing medications from me. How do we know that this woman's word was good enough to put Mr. Strauss-Kahn straight into a horrific jail? Putting a man in Riker's is serious business. Maybe more than a few minutes of investigation is merited before it's done.
7.) In this country, we have the presumption of innocence for the accused. Yet there's my old pal from the Ron Ziegler/ Richard Nixon days, Diane Sawyer, anchor of the ABC Nightly News, assuming that Mr. Strauss-Kahn is guilty. Right off the bat she leads the Monday news by saying that Mr. Strauss-Kahn is in Riker's... "because one woman stood her ground..." That assumes she's telling the truth and he's guilty. No such thing has been proved and it's unfortunate for ABC to simply assume that an accusation is the same as a conviction. .."
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8) All we know is what Big Media is telling us. That guarantees we don’t know the real story.
Oh, that one’s easy, especially in this economy.
“I am a rich and powerful international politician with diplomatic immunity. I stay here often. Have sex with me or I will get you fired, blacklisted from the hotels around here, and nobody will ever believe your claims.”
No weapon needed.
Is that what she said??? I haven’t even heard her ambulance chasing lawyer say that.
Maybe “you are rich and powerful and I am tired of working so I’ll accuse you and get a few million”?
When was the last time Ben Stein has been right about anything related to economists and bankers?
Presumed innocent? Of course. That’s why he is still breathing.
I have no idea what she did or didn’t say. You were saying that a fat old man would need a physical weapon, and I was refuting it - no, he wouldn’t need a physical weapon.
I have no idea whether or not that’s what happened, but it’s still more than possible, so don’t discount point #3.
If you couple today’s journalism with human nature, we probably have no idea where the truth resides.
A short fat man of any age is still a lot bigger and stronger than the widowed woman suffering from aides in question. And as an African Muslim she would be conditioned culturally to fear men.
>You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you. And you don’t want to take that chance either.
The H3ll you can’t. - it happens every single day, and you should know that.
The jails are packed with thugs & assorted criminals who have done exactly that - and you should know that as well!
There has been a string of complaints from women before this one so there is plenty of reason to credit this woman’s story. And Rikers is where they put felons who have been denied bail because they are flight risks - which he most certainly is since France refused to extradite Roman Polansky.
Innocent until proven guilty, but...
why did he change his story from I was having lunch with my daughter to consensual sex.
I can see what she has to gain, but why change to story?
No. It doesn't work that way. Not ever. Guys who are rich and powerful don't need to do that. (even if they're very ugly)
Ben Stein went off the tracks years ago.
The fact that he would jump into this ugly scene before we even know any facts is more evidence of that, why did he feel the compulsion to jump on this woman so early?
My impulse at this moment is sure not to take this creeps side.
I'll wait till the Jury comes back, like I always do, in cases of he said-she said.
Um...women in this situation usually acquire HIV from IV drug use, prostitution, where the latter supports the former.
Don't like Mr. Froggy Globalist Creepy. But the charge sure smells like a cheap frame.
Lotta people thought Condit offed the girl. Turned out to be an illegal alien murderer, years later. But that was totally discounted during the hysteria.
Actually the woman didn’t know who he was - according to what the police have said.
I still think he probably did exactly what he was accused of, however.
“Um...women in this situation usually acquire HIV from IV drug use, prostitution, where the latter supports the former.”
Not in Africa - which is where she is from. Most women there have gotten it from their cheating infected husbands and tainted needles used in immunizations.
“You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you.”
Rapists have said otherwise. I also know a number of women who have said otherwise. Slap a woman, beat a woman, and scare the living daylights out of her and she will probably do exactly what you want. According to men who were raped by other men that is also the outcome in their cases as well.
You are right!Wealth and power do not a tyrant make.
HOWEVER, a guy who wants a squeeze can get it very easily, he doesn’t have to force himself on a maid. He can just whip out a Mont Blanc pen or a platinum AmEx card at any bar and he’ll have a choice.
Now the pen or AmEx card may not work in Minot, North Dakota it will certainly work in D.C. or NYC.
Oh really. You know that for sure?
I don't believe that for one moment.
The question is...who wanted to get rid of him? Everyone knew he was a bad boy so, of course, such allegations would be believed immediately.
Yes, you can. Some people become so fearful they put up with anything, like walking into a gas chamber without any resistance.
Then explain Bill Clinton.
I don’t believe the MSM reports are complete or unbiased. However, something did happen such that the big cheese was thrown into jail. Now it’s up to the unbiased, fair, and efficient NY court system.
Stein is full of sh*t. The other guests had checked out when they were supposed to at noon. A couple of days ago, a FReeper posted detailed info on the rooms on every floor in the Sofitel. Kahn's suite was on a floor with very few other rooms.
I agree. This man has been brought down so hard and so fast that it’s hard to not believe there may be some kind of conspiracy behind all this ugliness. He has ties to the most powerful people in the world. It doesn’t make sense.
A $3500/night suite at a midtown Manhattan hotel doesn’t have people passing by. They have restricted elevators for which you need special key/passes. The only people who are not guests on that floor (with very few suits per floor) are the staff. And you cannot hear from one suite to the next. For that kind of $, those rooms are well insulated.
According to the consensus here, the dude is a “Socialist”, therefore, and quite obviously: GUILTY!
 Women accusers are always right! (Ask anyone who’s been accused of “sexual harassment”.)
 It’s a cultural thing. It dates back to the Puritans and their views on sex.
If you never remove your tin foil long enough for your head not to bake it doesn’t make sense.
Otherwise, one honest DA, one honest judge, an actual rape victim whose forensic exam backed up by the hotel security video explains things admirably.
If you truely believe everyone is for sale and there is nobody anywhere who doesn’t have a price then I suppose this must be terribly upsetting.
Sure you can't. How about, "Open your mouth and if you bite me I'll rip your ears off."
Since Ben Stein is so dammed sure, I’m certain he’ll agree to be ass raped if he is wrong.
Step on up Ben.
Fear and shock and pain from being manhandled can put a person into a temporary paralysis where their mind freezes and they kind of shut down for a short period of time, the assault seems like it’s happening to someone else. They can be easily controlled at that time. Never say a person should do this or that at a time of great stress, you don’t know what you would do in a time of attack. She’s not a Green Beret you know.
It is so irritating to see in these posts the victim being blamed and accused being found guilty. Nobody here knows what happened!
I don’t know but if the reports are correct he got out of there very quickly after the incident including leaving his cell phone behind and went right to the airport. I am guessing an experienced traveler would not go anywhere without his phone.
Boinks the maid at noon. Checks out at 12:28. Has lunch with one of his exes and their Columbia grad student daughter. Heads for the airport. Realizes he forgot his phone and calls the hotel at 15:30. They offer to have someone bring it out to him. Gotta love that Sofitel service! Instead, surprise! The Port Authority Police show up a few minutes before wheels up.
Defund this IMF (Idiotic Mo Fo).
2. We don't know what happened in the room for certain, but we DO KNOW that Strauss Kahn has changed his story from “I wasn't there I was with my daughter” to “It was consensual” to “She is too ugly to rape” and finally to “This is a plot by my rivals in the next French elections.”
Somehow that can cause people to not give his word equal weight to that of a maid.
“How about, “Open your mouth and if you bite me I’ll rip your ears off.””
Likewise, a woman in that “position” is extremely vulnerable. Even without such a verbal threat, actually biting the guy would be extremely dangerous, as she could be badly kneed in the head, get her hair ripped out or even stomped on by an enraged fiend.
He shoulda spent a few bucks on a call girl.
Amen. Ben Stein is, like Newt Gingrich, a smart man who thinks he’s far more intelligent than he truly is.
Nope, you have to beg.
>> #3 is why I am 99% sure she is lying. You cannot force someone...
Are you suggesting a woman that fights back has lower standing?
This was no ordinary hotel room. $3000.00 per night gets you a large apartment-style “room” Probably well over 1000 square feet.
I buy the story. Innocent until proven guilty is a restriction on Government, not on me. I think he’s guilty, and I can say so all I want.
Ha...you need to read up on what Clinton did to Nurse Broadrick.
Its called the "Toon's Rape Grip"
Take a grip of the soft flesh under the victims nose at the upper lip
or in the toons case, bite into it.
Maybe where you hang out. But she is from Africa, where hetrosexual HIV is endemic, and most women get it from their husbands. Oh yeah. She is a widow, her husband died young. just saying.
Is that you, Rita?
No, I’m not Rita. Who’s Rita? A meter maid in a Beatles song?
I’m not convinced that Chandra Levy was killed by that guy. I think she was killed because she knew too much - either about the congressman or something she learned while doing an internship at the Bureau of Prisons. The person in prison has always maintained his innocence, not that that’s important.
BTW she was at the Bureau of Prisons when McVey was being held.