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Presumed Innocent, Anyone? (Ben Stein on the Strauss-Kahn case)
spectator.org ^ | 5/18/2011 | spectator.org

Posted on 05/18/2011 6:51:19 PM PDT by mewykwistmas

"3.) The prosecutors say that Mr. Strauss-Kahn "forced" the complainant to have oral and other sex with him. How? Did he have a gun? Did he have a knife? He's a short fat old man. They were in a hotel with people passing by the room constantly, if it's anything like the many hotels I am in. How did he intimidate her in that situation? And if he was so intimidating, why did she immediately feel un-intimidated enough to alert the authorities as to her story?

6.) People accuse other people of crimes all of the time. What do we know about the complainant besides that she is a hotel maid? I love and admire hotel maids....I am sure she is a fine woman. On the other hand, I have had hotel maids that were complete lunatics, stealing airline tickets from me, stealing money from me, throwing away important papers, stealing medications from me. How do we know that this woman's word was good enough to put Mr. Strauss-Kahn straight into a horrific jail? Putting a man in Riker's is serious business. Maybe more than a few minutes of investigation is merited before it's done.

7.) In this country, we have the presumption of innocence for the accused. Yet there's my old pal from the Ron Ziegler/ Richard Nixon days, Diane Sawyer, anchor of the ABC Nightly News, assuming that Mr. Strauss-Kahn is guilty. Right off the bat she leads the Monday news by saying that Mr. Strauss-Kahn is in Riker's... "because one woman stood her ground..." That assumes she's telling the truth and he's guilty. No such thing has been proved and it's unfortunate for ABC to simply assume that an accusation is the same as a conviction. .."

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#3 is why I am 99% sure she is lying. You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you. And you don't want to take that chance either.
1 posted on 05/18/2011 6:51:20 PM PDT by mewykwistmas
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To: mewykwistmas

8) All we know is what Big Media is telling us. That guarantees we don’t know the real story.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 6:54:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: mewykwistmas

Oh, that one’s easy, especially in this economy.

“I am a rich and powerful international politician with diplomatic immunity. I stay here often. Have sex with me or I will get you fired, blacklisted from the hotels around here, and nobody will ever believe your claims.”

No weapon needed.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 6:54:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Is that what she said??? I haven’t even heard her ambulance chasing lawyer say that.

Maybe “you are rich and powerful and I am tired of working so I’ll accuse you and get a few million”?


4 posted on 05/18/2011 6:56:38 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: mewykwistmas

When was the last time Ben Stein has been right about anything related to economists and bankers?

2006ish?


5 posted on 05/18/2011 6:57:23 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: mewykwistmas

Presumed innocent? Of course. That’s why he is still breathing.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 6:58:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: mewykwistmas

I have no idea what she did or didn’t say. You were saying that a fat old man would need a physical weapon, and I was refuting it - no, he wouldn’t need a physical weapon.

I have no idea whether or not that’s what happened, but it’s still more than possible, so don’t discount point #3.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 6:58:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mewykwistmas

If you couple today’s journalism with human nature, we probably have no idea where the truth resides.


8 posted on 05/18/2011 6:58:49 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: mewykwistmas

A short fat man of any age is still a lot bigger and stronger than the widowed woman suffering from aides in question. And as an African Muslim she would be conditioned culturally to fear men.


9 posted on 05/18/2011 6:59:00 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mewykwistmas

>You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you. And you don’t want to take that chance either.

The H3ll you can’t. - it happens every single day, and you should know that.
The jails are packed with thugs & assorted criminals who have done exactly that - and you should know that as well!


10 posted on 05/18/2011 7:01:05 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: mewykwistmas

There has been a string of complaints from women before this one so there is plenty of reason to credit this woman’s story. And Rikers is where they put felons who have been denied bail because they are flight risks - which he most certainly is since France refused to extradite Roman Polansky.


11 posted on 05/18/2011 7:01:19 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: mewykwistmas

Innocent until proven guilty, but...

why did he change his story from I was having lunch with my daughter to consensual sex.

I can see what she has to gain, but why change to story?


12 posted on 05/18/2011 7:01:44 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Spktyr
“I am a rich and powerful international politician with diplomatic immunity. I stay here often. Have sex with me or I will get you fired,

No. It doesn't work that way. Not ever. Guys who are rich and powerful don't need to do that. (even if they're very ugly)

13 posted on 05/18/2011 7:04:14 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: mewykwistmas

Ben Stein went off the tracks years ago.

The fact that he would jump into this ugly scene before we even know any facts is more evidence of that, why did he feel the compulsion to jump on this woman so early?

My impulse at this moment is sure not to take this creeps side.


14 posted on 05/18/2011 7:07:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ladyjane
I hope you are being sarcastic, Ladyjane. Bill Clinton was accused of a lot worse and he was rich and powerful. Wealth and power do not a tyrant make, but it is also not a halo-maker.

I'll wait till the Jury comes back, like I always do, in cases of he said-she said.

15 posted on 05/18/2011 7:08:56 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: mewykwistmas
So it comes out this AM she lives in an HIV positive housing complex.

Um...women in this situation usually acquire HIV from IV drug use, prostitution, where the latter supports the former.

Don't like Mr. Froggy Globalist Creepy. But the charge sure smells like a cheap frame.

Lotta people thought Condit offed the girl. Turned out to be an illegal alien murderer, years later. But that was totally discounted during the hysteria.

Just sayin'.

16 posted on 05/18/2011 7:09:17 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Spktyr

Actually the woman didn’t know who he was - according to what the police have said.

I still think he probably did exactly what he was accused of, however.


17 posted on 05/18/2011 7:10:19 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Regulator

you wrote:

“Um...women in this situation usually acquire HIV from IV drug use, prostitution, where the latter supports the former.”

Not in Africa - which is where she is from. Most women there have gotten it from their cheating infected husbands and tainted needles used in immunizations.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 7:11:56 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: mewykwistmas
Let a jury presume him innocent until proven guilty, I'll think whatever I want about the little piece of sh*t.
19 posted on 05/18/2011 7:13:40 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: mewykwistmas

You wrote:

“You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you.”

Rapists have said otherwise. I also know a number of women who have said otherwise. Slap a woman, beat a woman, and scare the living daylights out of her and she will probably do exactly what you want. According to men who were raped by other men that is also the outcome in their cases as well.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 7:14:12 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: TheWriterTX

You are right!Wealth and power do not a tyrant make.

HOWEVER, a guy who wants a squeeze can get it very easily, he doesn’t have to force himself on a maid. He can just whip out a Mont Blanc pen or a platinum AmEx card at any bar and he’ll have a choice.

Now the pen or AmEx card may not work in Minot, North Dakota it will certainly work in D.C. or NYC.


21 posted on 05/18/2011 7:15:46 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Regulator
Lotta people thought Condit offed the girl. Turned out to be an illegal alien murderer, years later.

Oh really. You know that for sure?

I don't believe that for one moment.

22 posted on 05/18/2011 7:18:27 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: mewykwistmas

The question is...who wanted to get rid of him? Everyone knew he was a bad boy so, of course, such allegations would be believed immediately.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 7:20:53 PM PDT by tiki
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To: mewykwistmas

Yes, you can. Some people become so fearful they put up with anything, like walking into a gas chamber without any resistance.


24 posted on 05/18/2011 7:21:29 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ladyjane

Then explain Bill Clinton.


25 posted on 05/18/2011 7:23:06 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ladyjane

I don’t believe the MSM reports are complete or unbiased. However, something did happen such that the big cheese was thrown into jail. Now it’s up to the unbiased, fair, and efficient NY court system.


26 posted on 05/18/2011 7:24:12 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: mewykwistmas
They were in a hotel with people passing by the room constantly

Stein is full of sh*t. The other guests had checked out when they were supposed to at noon. A couple of days ago, a FReeper posted detailed info on the rooms on every floor in the Sofitel. Kahn's suite was on a floor with very few other rooms.

27 posted on 05/18/2011 7:29:29 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: gorush

I agree. This man has been brought down so hard and so fast that it’s hard to not believe there may be some kind of conspiracy behind all this ugliness. He has ties to the most powerful people in the world. It doesn’t make sense.


28 posted on 05/18/2011 7:33:36 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Jonah is my patron saint.)
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To: Spktyr

A $3500/night suite at a midtown Manhattan hotel doesn’t have people passing by. They have restricted elevators for which you need special key/passes. The only people who are not guests on that floor (with very few suits per floor) are the staff. And you cannot hear from one suite to the next. For that kind of $, those rooms are well insulated.


29 posted on 05/18/2011 7:37:07 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: mewykwistmas

yitbos

30 posted on 05/18/2011 7:41:57 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: mewykwistmas

According to the consensus here, the dude is a “Socialist”, therefore, and quite obviously: GUILTY!

[2] Women accusers are always right! (Ask anyone who’s been accused of “sexual harassment”.)

[3] It’s a cultural thing. It dates back to the Puritans and their views on sex.


31 posted on 05/18/2011 7:43:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ChocChipCookie

If you never remove your tin foil long enough for your head not to bake it doesn’t make sense.

Otherwise, one honest DA, one honest judge, an actual rape victim whose forensic exam backed up by the hotel security video explains things admirably.

If you truely believe everyone is for sale and there is nobody anywhere who doesn’t have a price then I suppose this must be terribly upsetting.


32 posted on 05/18/2011 7:44:33 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mewykwistmas
You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you.

Sure you can't. How about, "Open your mouth and if you bite me I'll rip your ears off."

33 posted on 05/18/2011 7:44:55 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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Since Ben Stein is so dammed sure, I’m certain he’ll agree to be ass raped if he is wrong.

Step on up Ben.


34 posted on 05/18/2011 7:50:43 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Fear and shock and pain from being manhandled can put a person into a temporary paralysis where their mind freezes and they kind of shut down for a short period of time, the assault seems like it’s happening to someone else. They can be easily controlled at that time. Never say a person should do this or that at a time of great stress, you don’t know what you would do in a time of attack. She’s not a Green Beret you know.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 7:51:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

It is so irritating to see in these posts the victim being blamed and accused being found guilty. Nobody here knows what happened!


36 posted on 05/18/2011 8:03:19 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: mewykwistmas

I don’t know but if the reports are correct he got out of there very quickly after the incident including leaving his cell phone behind and went right to the airport. I am guessing an experienced traveler would not go anywhere without his phone.


37 posted on 05/18/2011 8:14:20 PM PDT by gunnut
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To: mewykwistmas
He apparently didn't think he'd done anything he wasn't already used to getting away with in France.

Boinks the maid at noon. Checks out at 12:28. Has lunch with one of his exes and their Columbia grad student daughter. Heads for the airport. Realizes he forgot his phone and calls the hotel at 15:30. They offer to have someone bring it out to him. Gotta love that Sofitel service! Instead, surprise! The Port Authority Police show up a few minutes before wheels up.

38 posted on 05/18/2011 8:24:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mewykwistmas

Defund this IMF (Idiotic Mo Fo).


39 posted on 05/18/2011 8:29:37 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: reardensteel
1. This is not a court of law, so presumption of innocence is not a right.

2. We don't know what happened in the room for certain, but we DO KNOW that Strauss Kahn has changed his story from “I wasn't there I was with my daughter” to “It was consensual” to “She is too ugly to rape” and finally to “This is a plot by my rivals in the next French elections.”

Somehow that can cause people to not give his word equal weight to that of a maid.

40 posted on 05/18/2011 8:32:48 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: seowulf

“How about, “Open your mouth and if you bite me I’ll rip your ears off.””

Likewise, a woman in that “position” is extremely vulnerable. Even without such a verbal threat, actually biting the guy would be extremely dangerous, as she could be badly kneed in the head, get her hair ripped out or even stomped on by an enraged fiend.


41 posted on 05/18/2011 9:14:26 PM PDT by DrC
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To: MrEdd

He shoulda spent a few bucks on a call girl.


42 posted on 05/18/2011 9:22:38 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: ansel12

Amen. Ben Stein is, like Newt Gingrich, a smart man who thinks he’s far more intelligent than he truly is.


43 posted on 05/18/2011 9:23:30 PM PDT by Steve_Stifler
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To: mewykwistmas
You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you.

Nope, you have to beg.

44 posted on 05/18/2011 9:37:01 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: mewykwistmas

>> #3 is why I am 99% sure she is lying. You cannot force someone...

Are you suggesting a woman that fights back has lower standing?


45 posted on 05/18/2011 9:44:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: mewykwistmas

This was no ordinary hotel room. $3000.00 per night gets you a large apartment-style “room” Probably well over 1000 square feet.

I buy the story. Innocent until proven guilty is a restriction on Government, not on me. I think he’s guilty, and I can say so all I want.


46 posted on 05/18/2011 10:30:22 PM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy, backed by Governmental authority. [I'm green; are you?])
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To: mewykwistmas
"You cannot force someone to do that kind of sex in you"

Ha...you need to read up on what Clinton did to Nurse Broadrick.

Its called the "Toon's Rape Grip"

Take a grip of the soft flesh under the victims nose at the upper lip

or in the toons case, bite into it.

47 posted on 05/19/2011 3:22:43 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: Regulator
Um...women in this situation usually acquire HIV from IV drug use, prostitution, where the latter supports the former.

Maybe where you hang out. But she is from Africa, where hetrosexual HIV is endemic, and most women get it from their husbands. Oh yeah. She is a widow, her husband died young. just saying.

48 posted on 05/19/2011 9:01:50 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: ladyjane
Know that for sure? Why no. But the Jury thought so: Ingmar Guandique convicted of first-degree murder of former intern Chandra Levy

Is that you, Rita?

49 posted on 05/21/2011 5:14:52 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Regulator

No, I’m not Rita. Who’s Rita? A meter maid in a Beatles song?

I’m not convinced that Chandra Levy was killed by that guy. I think she was killed because she knew too much - either about the congressman or something she learned while doing an internship at the Bureau of Prisons. The person in prison has always maintained his innocence, not that that’s important.

BTW she was at the Bureau of Prisons when McVey was being held.


50 posted on 05/21/2011 7:15:20 PM PDT by ladyjane
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