Posted on 05/19/2011 7:48:20 AM PDT by jda
I'm NOT a complete idiot, more like a half-wit.
The worst is when you click on a link to a debate site and get a pop-up ad homimem.
Only an idiot would misspell ad homimememen.
The main thing to keep in mind is the distinction between argumentation and testimony. The whole point of logic is to develop techniques for evaluating the cogency of arguments independently of the arguer’s identity.
If the truth of a matter can not be established without a person’s testimoney, then the credibility and character come into play with respect to their integrity. The integrity of a testifier is essential in evaluation of the veracity of one’s testiment.
True.
However, attacking a person under such circumstances is an appropriate technique, although I guess as you say it’s not really a fallacy in such a case.
What I am suggesting is not just pointing out that they are using a fallacy, it’s destroying the validity of their authority, when that is appropriate.
Good for any source, of course, but degree of caution should increase as the known degree of reliability of the source goes down.
Agreed. Maybe several grains, particularly with anything that can be connected to political or cultural issues.
Excellent point.
“Try disagreeing with a Birther, for instance. If you don’t sip the kool aid, they’ll immediately call you an Obama plant or a troll. They’ll have a few facts handy, but their appetite for more drops off fast if it contradicts what they want to hear.”
Congratulations - you have succeeded in committing an impressive number of fallacies in relatively few words. Let me help you clean this up.
Try for starters
A Practical Study of Argument
by Trudy Govier
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Study-Argument-Trudy-Govier/dp/0495603406/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1O92ABB34Q5RM&colid=3R6M7KESRKYFW
Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments
by T. Edward Damer
http://www.amazon.com/Attacking-Faulty-Reasoning-Practical-Fallacy-Free/dp/0495095060/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1PD8TIFRX2F3L&colid=3R6M7KESRKYFW
Theories of Truth: A Critical Introduction
by Richard L. Kirkham
http://www.amazon.com/Theories-Truth-Introduction-Richard-Kirkham/dp/0262611082/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I11RK9B14AV0W4&colid=3R6M7KESRKYFW
liberals use ad hominems and the fallacy of irrelevant thesis
in order to avoid addressing the actual points of an argument on any issue.
It’s because they are incapable of forming a valid argument about these issues because they don’t examine any issue beyond the point of “this is something that makes me a good person for supporting/opposing it”.
Would that be like M&M’s made out of hominy?
I don’t think you’ll have a marketing winner there.
validity implies a conclusion that necessarily follows that can not be false if the premise is true.
Authority is an immaterial issue. Notice I didn't say irrelevent, because it may be relevent, its not germane to refuting an argument unless the argument is dependent upon an appeal to authority, and the person making the argument is claiming to be an authority.
Its sufficient to refute the conclusion by pointing out flawed reasoning, which essentially demolishes the argument. It is incumbent upon the asserter to come up with a new syllogism that is not fallacious.
Far better to acknowlege a valid conclusion and then attack it as being unsound, i.e., either of the premises are actually untrue. An attack on soundness essentially boils down to acceptance of facts.
People who have no discipline in logic usually resort to ad hominem when confronted with touche' on their argument. The first person resorting to ad hominem in a debate loses, or at the very least is evidentiary of their tenuous position. When pressed in such position, shallow thinking people usually implode and resort to vulgarity.
That's a sure sign of a small vocabulary and weak mindedness.
We may just have a differnce of semantics. I wouldn't characterize it as destroying the validity of their authority as much as destroying the idea that their authority validates the argument.
Thanks!
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