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Coburn: We have to raise taxes in order to pass spending cuts
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/19/coburn-we-have-to-raise-taxes-in-order-to-pass-spending-cuts/ ^

Posted on 05/19/2011 12:35:34 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear

Earlier this week, Tom Coburn quit the Gang of Six negotiations in the Senate, saying that the bipartisan working group on the budget wanted to go in a substantially different direction than Coburn would travel. Given that context, Coburn’s essay in today’s Washington Post prompts a question — just where exactly did the Gang of Six want to go? Coburn argues in his article that conservatives are going to have to swallow some tax hikes to get the spending cuts they want (via OTB):


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: coburn; obama; tomcoburn
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I wonder how many people will still show up and say "Coburn is a conservative" after he is screaming for tax increases.
1 posted on 05/19/2011 12:35:38 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Um, no we don’t...

30 Year Old ‘Adult Baby’ Receiving Social Security…
http://nation.foxnews.com/adult-baby/2011/05/18/30-year-old-adult-baby-receiving-social-security


2 posted on 05/19/2011 12:37:14 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Amazing that people fall for the GOP line of no taxes and smaller government. They lie too.


3 posted on 05/19/2011 12:37:30 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Having to swallow tax increases is not the same as screaming for them.


4 posted on 05/19/2011 12:37:48 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

This is the same line of BS my ex-congressman (D) gave me about Obamacare... We must spend more to save money.

Uh huh.


5 posted on 05/19/2011 12:37:52 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Read my lips: No new taxes!


6 posted on 05/19/2011 12:38:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (How do you starve an Obama supporter? Hide his food stamps under his work boots.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Spending cuts now, Tax increases later (never).


7 posted on 05/19/2011 12:38:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Honey, can I have more spending money. I promise I’ll cut my spending if you do./s


8 posted on 05/19/2011 12:38:12 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Minus_The_Bear
We don't need no steenking RINOs®
9 posted on 05/19/2011 12:39:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: ez
Wow, that was fast. You're the first person to fall for Coburn's crap.

We need to cut spending. Not raise taxes.
10 posted on 05/19/2011 12:39:40 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You can’t read.


11 posted on 05/19/2011 12:40:40 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Sorry Tom, we have already fallen for that line of crap. Not again.


12 posted on 05/19/2011 12:42:13 PM PDT by kempster
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To: ez
You are advocating for tax increases just like Coburn... when we need to cut spending.

You can't even do simple math.
13 posted on 05/19/2011 12:42:58 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I feel like I’m living through Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Who is that imposter and what has he done with the real Tom Coburn?


14 posted on 05/19/2011 12:43:48 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

From the article
“Coburn has done a great job in the Senate and is a serious, responsible conservative.”

Coburn is right...you can’t get the Dem Senate to agree to anytrhing unless you agree to go along with their tax hikes. That’s all he’s saying. Either make a deal or wait til 2012, those are our options.


15 posted on 05/19/2011 12:45:25 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

That’s what they told GHW Bush. And they got part of it right ... taxes went up.


16 posted on 05/19/2011 12:45:25 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Cut the budget by about a $trillion a year, or get out of Congress.


17 posted on 05/19/2011 12:45:54 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Waryone
Coburn has always been like this. People on Free Republic just call him conservative.

They called McCain conservative for years too.
18 posted on 05/19/2011 12:45:54 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

does this guy still claim to even be a Republican??


19 posted on 05/19/2011 12:47:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

How about we trade a one percentage point increase in tax rates for a ten percent cut in spending.


20 posted on 05/19/2011 12:47:37 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You have no idea what you are talking about, I never advocated for higher taxes. I merely called attention to the fact that you turned “have to swallow” tax increases into “screaming for” tax increases.


21 posted on 05/19/2011 12:48:16 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599986131

Here he is on the floor of Senate. Listen and decide if he’s conservative or not


22 posted on 05/19/2011 12:49:11 PM PDT by 20 years too late
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To: Minus_The_Bear

So, you’ve read the article? Has it been posted? I prefer to wait till I actually see what was written before I listen to mouth-breathers who jump in and trash conservatives.


23 posted on 05/19/2011 12:49:40 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ez

I have seen no one try to claim that taxes are too low.


24 posted on 05/19/2011 12:49:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: ez
What you don't understand is that Coburn is a Senator for Oklahoma... not Massachusetts.

So when he advocates for tax increases he cedes ground. Democrats NEVER, EVER say they should agree to tax cuts.

he is being a tool just like McCain.

25 posted on 05/19/2011 12:50:32 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: ez

Coburn is a fool if he thinks the left will ever allow real spending cuts no matter how many times taxes are hiked


26 posted on 05/19/2011 12:50:58 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
That's like this guy saying "I have to eat more so I'll have the energy to exercise".

Hint: They are both consuming far too much already and consuming even more is a change in the wrong direction.

27 posted on 05/19/2011 12:51:10 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Deb
Wow.

We have are no-nothing number two who didn't read the article. And is defending higher taxes.
28 posted on 05/19/2011 12:52:27 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

F*ck you Coburn!!!

And the same to your Republican cohorts who agree with you.

We are NOT going to pay more in taxes to fund the wasted stimulus and bank fraudster bailouts.

If you and your party votes to raise our taxes, you and your party are DONE!!!!!

We will go third party and give birth to a party that believes in and practices responsibility and is honest, unlike YOU you stinking piece of crap.


29 posted on 05/19/2011 12:54:08 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Minus_The_Bear

He didn’t advocate for higher taxes either. He said we are “going to have to swallow” tax increases to get the spending cuts we want. Because the Dems control the Senate. Our best bet is to use this as a campaign issue in 2012 and forget trying to get the Dems to go along with responsible spending.


30 posted on 05/19/2011 12:55:23 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Got the Potomac Fever bad, do you Coburn?

Pffft!


31 posted on 05/19/2011 12:56:25 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: ez
1. Coburn is not a Democrat so blaming the Democrats for his wanting higher taxes is not the issue.

2. Democrats NEVER start from premise of lowering taxes. This moron is kicking the economy while it is down.
32 posted on 05/19/2011 12:58:23 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Deb

The poster of this article is not measuring high on the “reading comprehension” scale. There’s a big difference between “have to swallow tax increases to get the spending cuts we want’ and “screaming and advocating for higher taxes.”


33 posted on 05/19/2011 12:58:34 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ez

We don’t have to “swallow” anything.

We control the House and control spending.

We control the House and control taxes.

The problem is Republicans want to steal more from people who work to fund people who don’t work.

They are already stealing too much. The answer is NO.


34 posted on 05/19/2011 1:01:42 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: ez
We get it.

You agree with raising taxes.

Exactly what proposals do you think Coburn brought to "The Gang of 6"?

Do you agree with scrapping the child tax credit?
35 posted on 05/19/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear
If Congress raises taxes, they will have no incentive to cut spending. In fact, they will do what they always do: raise taxes immediately - even retroactively - and then pass spending "cuts" that are really increases using something called "math", but never mind, because they won't implement them anyway.

If these clowns keep going this way, they are going to be made to understand that the Tea Parties of 2009 were but a warning. Do the words "alter or abolish" ring a bell?

36 posted on 05/19/2011 1:03:43 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Unfortunately, the math challenged are always with us.

They seem to think that money grows on trees. We can just "tax" more of it.
37 posted on 05/19/2011 1:06:18 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Sometime some Conservatives are no better than Liberals, when it comes to knee-jerk responses. No details needed; no context needed; just use the right code words and thinking and critical analysis ends and pre-programmed Pavlonian response begins.

No I'm not for tax increases. I think Tom Coburn is not essentially for them either. The story is about the legislative impasse, and efforts to break it and pass some legislation to create conditions that will avoid a default on interest due on current U.S. Treasury notes; and its about a divided Congress with neither party a majority in both houses; and the truth about Mr. Coburn's tax preferences is in the details of dealing with that context. He knows that anything that gets passed will involve some compromise by the House majority and some by the Senate majority. That's not a policy preference, that's simply the way it is. I think that's where Coburn is coming from.

38 posted on 05/19/2011 1:07:30 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Minus_The_Bear

The Washington Elite do NOT understand that businesses and people will NOT take tax increases lying down. People will simply adjust their budgets so they do not spend as much and businesses will at the least scale down their business and begin to let people go or at the most, relocate to a more business friendly state. Heck the ONLY business that will thrive is U-Haul or some other moving company!


39 posted on 05/19/2011 1:08:03 PM PDT by getarope (Paddle faster, I hear banjo music!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Coburn must have taken the Pelosi course on passing legislation. He’s no conservative.


40 posted on 05/19/2011 1:08:56 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Major facepalm.


41 posted on 05/19/2011 1:12:44 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Nonsense, Senator. This was the game all along, to make like the eight years of Reagan and the eight years of Bush never existed. They hiked up spending to astronomical levels on purpose so that taxes would have to be raised. They hiked up spending so that Reagan would have to go back on his tax cuts. They hiked up spending so that Bush I would have to raise taxes. Now they’re doing the same thing again. Increase spending so we’ll have to reverse tax cuts and increase taxes.

The government has more than enough revenue and has a ton of waste. The department of energy produces none and obstructs all. Eliminate it. The dept. of Agriculture has two buildings. Eliminate one or both. The dept. of the Interior should be slashed. The dept of Veterans Affairs should be rolled back into defense. Government land should be sold, subsidies cut.

There’s a beginning, Senator. And while you’re at it, sit in the Senate and deny all unanimous consents. There’s spending savings right there.


42 posted on 05/19/2011 1:13:11 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Static revenue models assume that people do not change their behavior when taxes go up or down. Yet, in spite of countless examples of the fallacy of such assumptions, they somehow still govern our elected representatives’ economic understanding.


43 posted on 05/19/2011 1:14:37 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

No, I’m for abolishing income taxes, and going back to the time when the government was small enough to run from collecting tariffs. But good luck with that.
BTW, I notice you crap all over every Paln thread... Does minus_the_bear mean “get rid of Palin?”


44 posted on 05/19/2011 1:19:30 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

IF THIS IS TRUE... then Coburn is dead to me.
I’ve never thought of Tom Coburn as a scumbag, so I will wait until this is verified/clarified before nailing down such a conclusion.


45 posted on 05/19/2011 1:23:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Minus_The_Bear
“Governments don't reduce deficits by raising taxes on the people; governments reduce deficits by controlling spending and stimulating new wealth.”

-- Ronald Reagan


46 posted on 05/19/2011 1:23:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (GOP mantra: 'Repeal and replace.' Translation? 'We can do socialism better than the Democrats.')
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To: ez
The poster of this article is not measuring high on the “reading comprehension” scale. There’s a big difference between “have to swallow tax increases to get the spending cuts we want’ and “screaming and advocating for higher taxes.”

You seem to have a more basic confusion.

Regardless of whether it is "swallow" (ie., cave like a sissy) or "scream for" more taxes, it's totally unacceptable. Therefore, IF Coburn is saying he would go along ("swallow") ANY tax increases, THEN he is a scumbag.

I will, however, wait for verification/clarification of what Tom said/meant.

47 posted on 05/19/2011 1:31:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Minus_The_Bear

How about this... raise taxes on the half of households that don’t pay anything. It is about damn time those freeloaders paid their fair share.


48 posted on 05/19/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: screaminsunshine
Amazing that people fall for the GOP line of no taxes and smaller government.

What line of "no taxes"? I see them talk of low taxes, and I'm in favor of that, but the only people benefitting from "no taxes" are the freeloading deadbeats that make up the base of the democrat party.

49 posted on 05/19/2011 1:35:13 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Somebody has some serious dirt on him is my bet.Just like our boy arnold.


50 posted on 05/19/2011 1:44:30 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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