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The Pimp and The Poster (Mod Lecture Series)
FR | Admin Moderator

Posted on 05/19/2011 8:28:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

In the ancient city of London, on a certain autumn day in the second quarter of the sixteenth century, a boy was born to a poor family of the name of Canty.. oh wait, that’s not how this goes. Let’s try again.

Imagine for a moment an old farm on the edge of the interstate. This farm has been a part of the community for years. All of the farmer’s friends love to come to the farmer’s house for meals and conversation. Sometimes, the farmer’s friends like to put up a sign on the land, right along the interstate, when election time comes around, asking people to vote for their favorite candidate. Other times, they have put up signs welcoming soldiers home. The farmer welcomes this and beams with pride that he has this land that he can let his friends do this.

Then one day, a new neighbor moves in nearby. He decides that the farmer’s land is a great spot to put up a billboard for his business so one day, he starts putting up billboard after billboard all along the farmer’s land. Sure, it is great land, and he has seen others put up signs before, so what’s the harm? Before you know it, the farmer’s land is covered with billboards. The worst part, the new neighbor never even asked the farmer if he could put up the signs or what signs were OK. Did the farmer only want short signs, tall signs, brown signs? The neighbor didn’t care to ask, nor did he care what the farmer thought. He only knew that the farmer’s land was next to the interstate and he wanted it.

Thus is the tale of The Pimp and The Poster.
It seems there has been a lot of conversation about what we consider ‘pimping’ versus acceptable in the “Bloggers” forum. If this tale didn’t get to the point, we’ll make it a little simpler. The difference between The Pimp and The Poster is one comes here solely for the purpose of ‘cross-linking’ and the other comes here to be part of the community. Cross-linking or as some put it ‘pimping’ is the use of one site’s reputation with search engines or popularity for the purpose of advertising your website. If you search for advice on how to promote your site, you’ll see thousands of articles recommending this. Many of these sites and articles actually recommend Free Republic as one of these sites because of its instant high rankings for Google results. We even found several conservative sites recommending this. For example:http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/10/some-sage-advice-for-the-conservative-blogger/
So it comes down to intention. Do you want to use the site for free advertising or do you want to be part of the community?

Original Content
Something that has popped up a lot is blogs not posting original content. For example, a blog may take a video from Fox News, post it on their site with no commentary, and then post it in the bloggers forum as their own. If the content is not your own or original to the blog it is posted on, post to the original source only. Exceptions to this can be made if the blog provides unique commentary on it, such as critical analysis or debunking.

What about the Pimp Busters?
One thing that seems controversial are members who have decided to become Pimp Busters. While not everyone agrees with what they do, we actually saw some value in keeping the leash a little longer for them. Unlike popular myth, mods don’t like zotting people. We want to keep members. Sometimes when new members show up they may not know the ropes and think this is just another site they can cross-post on. The pimp-busters have acted in a way, like a gauntlet to weed out the spammers from people who want to be part of the community. We attempted to have a Free Republic ‘welcome wagon’ where new members were shown the ropes and welcomed into the community. This backfired. Personal squabbles followed those who wanted to be part of the welcome wagon and ‘pimps’ simply ignored them. The Pimp Busters seemed to pop up shortly after. Consider them a trial by fire. Is your skin thick enough to stand the debate here? Are you here to just spam or be part of the community? How people react to others gives a good sign as to their intention. Most pimps who have been zotted were either because it was obvious they were spammers, posting dozens to hundreds of articles with no replies. Others showed their true colors and got nasty with members. The untold story is the far greater number of new members who passed through the gauntlet and have become active participants. Are the Pimp Busters mods or have any official power? No. They are members like any other.

News versus Blogs?
Another question comes up often as many bloggers seem to think that they are news-worthy. This also applies to posting from other blog sources. This can be a touchy subject because the MSM is often less trustworthy than those who comment on them. To keep this simple, we look at a few guidelines. If it is based on a blog platform (Blogger, Wordpress, etc) but not affiliated with a major news site, it should be considered a blog first and depending on the subject or author, you can ask for it to be moved. If it is a site that anyone and their grandmother can sign up to write for with no indication of their actual knowledge, such as The Examiner, it is considered a blog. If it not unique news but simply a commentary on other news by someone not noteworthy, it should be considered bloggers. News should be left to articles that are new and/or noteworthy. If you feel as though you found a blog article that meets that criteria, post it in bloggers and write a note to the mods to see if they will move it. Being nice about it goes a long way to.

As always, it is best to just ask. We can’t answer every note that comes in just because we can get overwhelmed, but we do try. We hope that answers some questions for this week.


TOPICS: Announcements; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: adminlectureseries; blog; bloggers; blogpimp; dontpimpyourblogonfr; freerepublic; lecture; lore; mod; modlectureseries; pimp; pimpbusters; series
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1 posted on 05/19/2011 8:28:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

IBTZ!..:=)


2 posted on 05/19/2011 8:31:21 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Admin Moderator
I do get where your coming from; when I first started posting, I thought, WHOA, this is an IMPORTANT article!!!, and would post it in Breaking News, but it got moved.

Thanks for the info, it does help clarify things!

3 posted on 05/19/2011 8:39:03 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

Breaking we try to reserve for the first article on something so important, it would interrupt your regularly scheduled programming.


4 posted on 05/19/2011 8:43:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Good post that lends understanding of a situation that others may have considered.


5 posted on 05/19/2011 8:48:45 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Admin Moderator

There’s a mod lecture series?

Like a whole thread and everything?

I thought the “mod lecture series” was me getting my rear beat (via FReepmail) behind the woodshed day after day after day...

teehee


6 posted on 05/19/2011 8:50:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Admin Moderator

I couldn’t figure out the joke in the first line...


7 posted on 05/19/2011 8:52:22 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

Do people not read Mark Twain any more?


8 posted on 05/19/2011 8:54:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Do people not read Mark Twain any more?
..........................................................................Is he related to Fred Thompson???


9 posted on 05/19/2011 8:57:41 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker
Is he related to Fred Thompson???

I think it's Jim Thompson...

10 posted on 05/19/2011 9:00:51 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Good lecture, professor. :)

Just a quick question regarding newspaper journalists who “blogs” on their own newspaper websites. It’s at least fairly common in the United Kingdom.

Like this for example from the Telegraph:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/

Daniel Hannan amongst others publish there.

How do they fit in? For instance Delingpole from the Telegraph has been excellent in reporting news about the global warming issue on his Telegraph blog that is ignored by other media.

Thoughts?

Anyhow, keep up the fantastic job you all do for the most past.

Cheers.


11 posted on 05/19/2011 9:04:21 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: PROCON; humblegunner

So Jim Thompson is also related to Shania Twain?? Where does that leave Humblegunner??? Is he still the blog pimp overlord?? Did Jim OK that??Did they tell Mark?


12 posted on 05/19/2011 9:06:30 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Admin Moderator
Do people not read Mark Twain any more?

Does he have a blog?

13 posted on 05/19/2011 9:06:59 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Eurotwit

If it is associated with a major news site, it is probably fine for news as long as it isn’t put in a sidebar category (breaking, front page, etc). If it is really stupid or isn’t “new or noteworthy”, we may move it to bloggers or chat. Sometimes news of local interest only or topics from these sources on things like fashion or celebutards may be moved to chat.


14 posted on 05/19/2011 9:07:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; humblegunner; Eaker; Allegra; 50mm; Larry Lucido; paulycy; Bean Counter; ...
I love a good bedtime story!

15 posted on 05/19/2011 9:10:13 PM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks for the quick answer.

I guess a little common sense goes a long way :)

Cheers.


16 posted on 05/19/2011 9:12:10 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: eastforker; Jim Thompson
Where does that leave Humblegunner??? Is he still the blog pimp overlord??

Sir, I know the blog pimp overlord and he is no Humblegunner..:=)

I'm pinging Jim..."Jim, does Mark know?!"

17 posted on 05/19/2011 9:16:20 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Admin Moderator

So, if I understand correctly, it is considered ok to post excerpts of your own blog if you are a regular, contributing member to the forums who comments frequently on posts other then their own?

Speaking for myself, I would have been hesitant to post an excerpt of my own blog, even though I comment on other stories far more than any piece I would post an excerpt from something on my own blog. I spend hours and hours creating, writing and editing the stories and comedy pieces I write. I would hate to ridiculed by some self appointed content policeman by not posting the entire piece. I make no money from it, have no ads, no popups or other excuses I have heard in the past.

So I guess what I’m asking is; where is that line?

Respectfully,

knewshound


18 posted on 05/19/2011 9:16:20 PM PDT by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: Admin Moderator; humblegunner; Markos33; TheOldLady; Larry Lucido; shibumi; Salamander; Eaker; ...
... we actually saw some value in keeping the leash a little longer for them...

We're dogs?


19 posted on 05/19/2011 9:19:12 PM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: knews_hound

Excerpting of one’s own blog are a touchy subject because if it is your own work, there is absolutely no reason to excerpt it- you own the content. Excerpting is only done generally if you don’t own the content. Excerpting one’s own work is often an indication that the intention is promoting one’s own site.

The community also frowns on it because you don’t always know what you’ll find on the other end.

With news sources, those are usually trustworthy to be free of malware. Blogs, on the other hand can be full of malware and tracking software.

It is best to lean towards, if it is your own work, post it in full so you don’t give anyone the indication you are just wanting to promote your site. If it is intriguing enough and people learn to trust you, they’ll visit your link. More often than not, excerpting your own work will just backfire and you’ll lose the community’s trust.


20 posted on 05/19/2011 9:22:33 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Last Dakotan; Admin Moderator
This is Mark Twain...
(Sheeesh...some people don't know nuthin')

21 posted on 05/19/2011 9:34:12 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Did someone say Shania Twain?


22 posted on 05/19/2011 9:36:03 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Admin Moderator

What does “The Prince and The Pauper” have to do with pimps?


23 posted on 05/19/2011 9:39:33 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: razorback-bert

I was bored and trying to come up with a creative pun. We don’t get out much down here at the Antarctic base.


24 posted on 05/19/2011 9:41:48 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: mnehring
Sadly, never the Twains shall meet (well, not in this life, anyway).
25 posted on 05/19/2011 9:42:58 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Thats Hal Holbrook dummy!


26 posted on 05/19/2011 9:47:08 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Hunton Peck

Those Twains are riding kinda close if you ask me!


27 posted on 05/19/2011 9:49:21 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Admin Moderator
I always heard that the Antarctic Base was quite .....interesting.....


28 posted on 05/19/2011 9:51:15 PM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: 50mm
Some dogs are more equal than others .....


29 posted on 05/19/2011 9:54:49 PM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: eastforker
I wasn't talking about the twains I'll never get to meet!
30 posted on 05/19/2011 9:58:10 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: 50mm

Blog dogs?


31 posted on 05/19/2011 10:00:49 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: eastforker

bfl


32 posted on 05/19/2011 10:02:48 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: eastforker
I suppose next you're gonna tell me this isn't John Adams?
33 posted on 05/19/2011 10:02:55 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: shibumi

I’m reminded of my ex-wife. Thanks.


34 posted on 05/19/2011 10:03:06 PM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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I don't have a pun. So, how about a bad limerick?

There once was blogger named Mott
Whose site needed hits quite a lot
So he excerpted on FReep
But now he just weeps
'Cause the kitties delivered the zot

35 posted on 05/19/2011 10:03:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (GOP mantra: 'Repeal and replace.' Translation? 'We can do socialism better than the Democrats.')
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I’d rather catch a Twain!


36 posted on 05/19/2011 10:04:25 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Admin Moderator

You should try Following the Equator, when you get sprung.


37 posted on 05/19/2011 10:05:23 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: 50mm

Having three of those, it somehow seemed appropriate.


38 posted on 05/19/2011 10:08:18 PM PDT by shibumi (Ego Nunquam Ubi Sub Ubi!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Isn’t that James Madison in that polaroid?


39 posted on 05/19/2011 10:10:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Admin Moderator

It’s my bedtime...can you tell me the story of the first ZOT?


40 posted on 05/19/2011 10:25:40 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: shibumi

I’m stopping at one. My first took everything except the jewels and I still have nightmares about her coming back and taking those.


41 posted on 05/19/2011 10:26:35 PM PDT by 50mm ( I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Admin Moderator

But I can still post stuff about my socks in Breaking News, right?


42 posted on 05/19/2011 11:30:32 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: shibumi
I always heard that the Antarctic Base was quite .....interesting.....

Don't ever try to get a pizza delivered there...

43 posted on 05/19/2011 11:32:58 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Last Dakotan
No but he once wrote a great story about a frog.
44 posted on 05/19/2011 11:40:44 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: 50mm
Hel Hunden.


45 posted on 05/19/2011 11:44:41 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: razorback-bert

Oliver Reed.


46 posted on 05/19/2011 11:46:53 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: shibumi; Admin Moderator

Y’all *know* that scary things thawing out of glaciers give me nightmares.

Stop that.


47 posted on 05/19/2011 11:48:41 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: Admin Moderator

To the tune of “Money for nothing” by Dire Straits

I’ll pimp my, I’ll pimp my blog for free

(Mark Knopfler guitar intro)

Now look at them blog pimps, that’s the way you do it
Just post an excerpt and wait and see
That ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Money for nothing and your hits for free

Now that ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Let me tell you them guys ain’t dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a Cheetos stain on your thumb

We got some people who’ll run interference
To keep humblegunner off-of-me
We got to bribe them Moderators
We got to shut up that guy shibumi

The little twit with the fedora and the glasses
Yeah buddy, that’s a real mustache
That little twit is the Dean of Bloggers
That little twit he’s raking in the cash

That ain’t workin’, now’s the time to do it
While JimRob’s busy with the FReep-a-thon

We got some people who’ll run interference
To keep TheOldLady off-of-me
We got to be nice to them Moderators
We got to silence them pimp police

Look at that, look at that
I should have learned to develop a blog
I should have learned to type real good
Look at that, all that free bandwidth
Man we can have some
Oh, that ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Get your money for nothing get your hits for free

We got some people who’ll run interference
To keep them Pimpbusters off-of-me
We got to fool them Moderators
We got to silence that guy Larry

Listen here
Now that ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Pimp your blog on Jim’s site for free
That ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Money for nothing and your hits for free
Money for nothing and your hits for free

Get your money for nothing, get your hits for free
Money for nothing, hits for free
Look at that, look at that
Get your money for nothing, get your hits for free

(I’ll pimp my, I’ll pimp my, I’ll pimp my blog for free)

Money for nothing and your hits for free
Easy, easy

That ain’t workin’

48 posted on 05/20/2011 3:03:45 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks for not excerpting!

What about the Pimp Busters?

Those folks? I think they can be a bit obnoxious at times but they mean well.

To carry your farmer theme a little further...

A few of the farmer's friends noticed the greedy neighbor's
signs cluttering up the roadside fenceline. Knowing that the
farmer and the other folks that worked there were busy with the
running of the farm, these few of the farmer's friends decided
to take down some of these signs. In fact, sawed them up and
tossed them over the fence back onto the greedy neighbor's property.

49 posted on 05/20/2011 3:57:16 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Markos33

Now I’ll have that tune running through my head all day.


50 posted on 05/20/2011 4:06:37 AM PDT by humblegunner
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