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Legacy of love overshadows Wilson woman's sudden death
WRAL TV ^ | 5/20/2011 | Ken Smith

Posted on 05/21/2011 1:55:40 PM PDT by Renderofveils

Rochelle Pender's family and co-workers were stunned Friday to learn that the smiling Walmart greeter was dead. Police said employees at the 2500 Forest Hills Road store were chasing a suspected shoplifter Wednesday when someone ran into Pender. She fell and hit her head and died two days later.

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A Walmart spokesman said Pender, 71, had been with the company for 15 years and was a beloved member of the team at the Wilson store.

"She's going to be greeting people in heaven now," Langley said.

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: shoplifting; walmart
This happened across the street from my employer... and the "suspect" is a former co-worker.
1 posted on 05/21/2011 1:55:45 PM PDT by Renderofveils
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To: Renderofveils

Never CHASE a shoplifter,...SHOOT’em in the back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 05/21/2011 1:58:54 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Renderofveils

simple assault? homicide in commission of a crime is first degree murder in most states.


3 posted on 05/21/2011 2:03:20 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Renderofveils

That’s horrible poor woman. I’m assuming they will charge the suspect for theft and manslaughter.


4 posted on 05/21/2011 2:05:58 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: balch3

Wonder why they didn’t charge him with shoplifting? Perhaps they just thought he was shoplifting and he didn’t have anything... If so, where’s the commission of a crime? The assaults most likely happened after he was caught and the woman already dead.


5 posted on 05/21/2011 2:12:58 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: balch3

Even if he was not the one who ran into her?


6 posted on 05/21/2011 2:14:35 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Doc Savage
Never CHASE a shoplifter,...SHOOT’em in the back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our store learned what can happen when you chase a shoplifter about three months ago. Our Loss Prevention officer pursued a shoplifter out of the front door and was grabbed by the guy as he got into a truck outside the front entrance. The driver then hit the gas, and our LP's foot was crushed under the rear wheel. This was in spitting distance (about 150 yards) from two on-duty sheriff's deputies who never saw a thing. After someone ran over to them to get assistance, the deputies called an ambulance but didn't even come over to see if they could assist. Our LP's been out of work ever since because his foot's being held together with several screws and a plate.

It would amaze people if they could see how much shoplifting goes on from day to day even in just our store. The employees aren't allowed to detain or even question someone when we've watched them steal something. The thieves in the area know it, and nothing short of having an on-duty police officer at the store is going to stop it at this point.
7 posted on 05/21/2011 2:15:48 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: babygene
The assaults most likely happened after he was caught and the woman already dead.

She died two days later. You bring up a good point, why he wasn't charged with shoplifting.
8 posted on 05/21/2011 2:20:07 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Renderofveils

Hubby saw a gal take a battery out of the sealed case and put it into her watch....walk away! Nothing would have happened if he had said anything, so he didn’t.


9 posted on 05/21/2011 2:21:16 PM PDT by GrannyK
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To: presently no screen name
She died two days later. You bring up a good point, why he wasn't charged with shoplifting.

He probably dumped the product before leaving the store once he realized he had been seen. If it doesn't leave the store, they can't charge the person with shoplifting.
10 posted on 05/21/2011 2:22:30 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Renderofveils
The driver then hit the gas

Was the driver arrested?
11 posted on 05/21/2011 2:23:35 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Was the driver arrested?

Nope. He's still at large. The police have the plates, but haven't found the vehicle or driver.
12 posted on 05/21/2011 2:25:53 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: balch3
simple assault? homicide in commission of a crime is first degree murder in most states.

I think you are reading something into the story that is not there.

13 posted on 05/21/2011 2:26:07 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Renderofveils
If it doesn't leave the store, they can't charge the person with shoplifting.

Didn't know that. Even if the item is hidden, placed in a pocket or something?
14 posted on 05/21/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Renderofveils

The same police that ignored when the crime was taking place?


15 posted on 05/21/2011 2:29:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: GrannyK

I’m certainly getting an education here. I had no idea shoplifting was ‘so protected’. I guess it’s the new ‘career choice’ for many.


16 posted on 05/21/2011 2:33:26 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Renderofveils

Depending on what was being stolen, it should be either a murder charge or a manslaughter charge against the thief if he wasn’t the one who knocked her down. If he was, an easy murder conviction.


17 posted on 05/21/2011 2:50:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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We are getting more and more Amish in this area, I hear that they are pretty bad about shoplifting.


18 posted on 05/21/2011 2:54:11 PM PDT by GrannyK
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To: balch3

The common law rule is
felony= murder
misdemeanor= manslaughter


19 posted on 05/21/2011 2:54:11 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Renderofveils

Use to own a cafe, retail store and motel. Put all that money into an online business and have twice the cash flow, 10 times more free time and no worries about all of the destructive people who steal, lie and just plain abuse the hard working small business people of this country.

15 years in retail made me sick of the human race.


20 posted on 05/21/2011 3:04:09 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Renderofveils

According to witnesses, the alleged shoplifter ran her over.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8143118


21 posted on 05/21/2011 3:06:07 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Renderofveils
Police said employees at the 2500 Forest Hills Road store were chasing a suspected shoplifter Wednesday when someone ran into Pender. She fell and hit her head and died two days later.

Good grief. If they could detain the shoplifter safely for the police, fine. Chasing him through a crowded store filled with people - where the odds of some random bystander getting knocked over are excellent - is just stupid.
22 posted on 05/21/2011 3:13:13 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Renderofveils

You know what’s going to happen? Walmart is going to get sued for the chase.

That’s why these store FIRE YOUR BUTT if you try to apprehend a crook, safely or not.

It’s a darn shame, and I guess the sign of a corrupt culture.


23 posted on 05/21/2011 3:19:47 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: presently no screen name

I personally witnessed two assaults on suspected shoplifters who both turned out not to have shoplifted at all, by employees of Home Depot and the other at a grocery store. In both cases the suspect was injured, in one case pretty bad. Bad enough to have an ambulance called. So are we going to argue that it was alright because they “thought” he took something.

This is similar in that a woman was killed by the employees in their zest to apprehend a suspect that may or not have been guilty of anything at that point. The responsibility for this tragedy is on Walmart, not on the guy they were running after. If he was a shoplifter, bad on him, but he is not the one who endangered this woman and ultimately
killed her.

From the article, we don’t know that the suspect was doing anything other than Blythefully walking to his car. The assault almost for sure happened AFTER the women was injured, since the security boys wouldn’t have approached him until he exited the store and the greeter would have been inside. Him assaulting someone after she was hurt can’t be a contributing factor in her injury.


24 posted on 05/21/2011 4:01:49 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: GrannyK
I worked as a greeter for several years at the local WalMart. We (the other greeters and me) figured on any given night at least $300 dollars in games and CD's walked out the door. About once a week a computer or big TV would grow legs. The management wouldn't allow us to take any proactive actions to stop the flow. I figure the management had to be in on the action.
25 posted on 05/21/2011 4:12:27 PM PDT by kateskid
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To: babygene
Him assaulting someone after she was hurt can’t be a contributing factor in her injury.

Right. I thought he wrestled his way away from those holding him INSIDE the store and when making his escape - they ran after him towards the door and someone knocked down the victim by the door.

I had no idea one has to wait until they leave the store for them to be accused of shoplifting. So this assault had to happen outside the store - but the victim was inside? Did others not involve come running out and knock her over?
26 posted on 05/21/2011 4:17:22 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

“Right. I thought he wrestled his way away from those holding him INSIDE the store and when making his escape - they ran after him towards the door and someone knocked down the victim by the door.”

Until he removes the goods from the store, it’s not shoplifting. How are you going to prove he didn’t intend to pay for it??? Won’t work and shouldn’t...


27 posted on 05/21/2011 5:08:36 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: presently no screen name

“Did others not involve come running out and knock her over?”

Probably... It is not shoplifting to put something in your pocket and take it up to the register and pay for it. You would never be challenged before you left the store.


28 posted on 05/21/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

yeah but we have no idea what he took or what they thought he was taking. Hopefully, their camera’s can tell the tale. Putting something in a pocket is one thing but putting it up your shirt is another.

Actually, I could less about that guy the sad thing in how this woman lost her life over shoplifting or presumed shoplifting. And I can’t understand that some would be running after him on a ‘presumed shoplifting’. If the law is it’s only considered shoplifting once outside the doors so be it - but the act had to happen first inside the store - where the lady was.


29 posted on 05/21/2011 6:24:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Never would’ve happened if Dick Cheney was the greeter!


30 posted on 05/21/2011 6:26:05 PM PDT by gman992
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To: gman992

??


31 posted on 05/21/2011 6:29:10 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: machogirl

Thanks. I didn’t read it closely enough. So the shoplifter is the one who collided with the greeter, the victim, in his haste to avoid the foot pursuit.


32 posted on 05/21/2011 6:50:03 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Excuse me, but there would never be a foot pursuit within the store. ou can’t be guilty until you exit without paying for it. Within the store,how are they going to prove you didn’t intend to pay for it?


33 posted on 05/21/2011 8:28:40 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Renderofveils; All

Let’s just say that someone with a eighth grade education “thought” they saw you put something in your pocket at home depot. Of course you didn’t, and this person was just an idiot...

Once you exited the store they perused you and in the process ran down a elderly person and that person died...

Are you at fault? Wake up...


34 posted on 05/21/2011 8:39:15 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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yeah but we have no idea what he took or what they thought he was taking. Hopefully, their camera’s can tell the tale.”

it really doesn’t matter what it was, you can’t prove the intent not to pay until you leave the store with out paying.


35 posted on 05/21/2011 8:42:37 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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Within the store,how are they going to prove you didn’t intend to pay for it?

Well to a common sense jury - the fact he knocked over the greeter by the door, as he was hurrying to leave the store - so hard was the knock over she hit her head and subsequently died. Don't think there are registers by the door in walmart where he was hurrying to pay. And being knocked over is not a shove where you can loss balance - I'd say there was some speed behind it for the damage she suffered.

His eyes were on the door - not on who was in front of him. We aren't talking rocket science here. And we know the greeter is at the door not at the register.
36 posted on 05/21/2011 10:05:23 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: babygene
Once you exited the store they perused you and in the process ran down a elderly person and that person died...Are you at fault? Wake up...

Well if the person did not take anything - why the haste to leave and knock over a lady in the process? Guilty run, innocence doesn't. That's some powerful moving to knock someone over - it's wasn't a shove that we all have experienced one time or another. It's his fast moving right into a person that caused the death - no one else. No one was chasing him out of the store - he apparently wanted to leave quickly.
37 posted on 05/21/2011 10:23:16 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: babygene
Let’s just say that someone with a eighth grade education “thought” they saw you put something in your pocket at home depot. Of course you didn’t, and this person was just an idiot...

Once you exited the store they perused you and in the process ran down a elderly person and that person died...

Are you at fault? Wake up...


Let me let you know how this would go.

"Excuse me sir, can I check your receipt?"

"Sure."


38 posted on 05/22/2011 4:11:56 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: babygene
The responsibility for this tragedy is on Walmart, not on the guy they were running after. If he was a shoplifter, bad on him, but he is not the one who endangered this woman and ultimately killed her.

And by the way, he was out on bond for felony charges of obtaining property by false pretenses.
39 posted on 05/22/2011 4:28:55 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: presently no screen name

“Well to a common sense jury - the fact he knocked over the greeter by the door, as he was hurrying to leave the store - so hard was the knock over she hit her head and subsequently died.”

Re-read the article. The article doesn’t say he was running or that he was the one who knocked over the lady. It suggests that those trying to apprehend him knocked her over.


40 posted on 05/22/2011 5:52:43 AM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
Re-read the article. The article doesn’t say he was running or that he was the one who knocked over the lady. It suggests that those trying to apprehend him knocked her over.

The article leaves it vague in the same way it refers to him as a suspect. According to store employees the account of events is a little different. Apparently the store's Loss Prevention had performed what is called a Recovery with Detention. They had caught him shoplifting and were escorting him to the offices in the back of the store when Mr Lambert allegedly punched the LP and made a break for the front exit, where he allegedly bowled over Mrs Pender. He was detained again in front of the store, and when the police arrived he had to be pepper sprayed to stop him from fighting the store employees. This is where the assault charge stems from.
41 posted on 05/22/2011 6:58:12 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: presently no screen name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrIyYqbZZPQ


42 posted on 05/22/2011 6:36:40 PM PDT by gman992
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