Skip to comments.Harold Camping Should Publicly Repent, Says Christian Leader
Posted on 05/22/2011 5:36:24 AM PDT by don-o
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“There is such a thing as church discipline....its a biblical process detailed in scripture”
You are right, but Camping removed himself from the discipline of his church by claiming that the churches were filled with heretics and that the Church Age was over in 1988. Therefore, he is exempt from any discipline since he has no allegiance to any. However, Camping, if he is still alive, ought to repent to God for deceiving naive and desperate people and then apologize to Christians everywhere for his hubris and cult like dominance.
That is not the image that Jesus would have His Church follow and that is not the correct image of being prepared. The story Jesus tells of the Good Bridesmaids who kept their oil lamps filled with oil and their wicks trimmed is the correct image and it implies work being done; everyday work, work keeping house, earning a living, busy in our communities, raising our families, not waiting on a hilltop somewhere consuming air. Life is to be lived till the last moment... that is why "no man knows the day or the hour"; God wants us busy with Life, for Life's Sake. Life is the miracle. Life is the Blessed. We live to live, and to live is to Honor Our God.
Sure god will bring an end to time, but until that moment, He expects us to Live a testimony to Him by facing everday life issues in reliance on Him.
Camping may indeed enter into heaven, but I do not envy the baggage he has strung around his neck, when he stands before Jesus.
They used to stone false prophets in the old days...
“Once you stop preaching what Jesus said and start preaching your own personal special knowledge, you are debasing Christianity”
You are spot on!! Well said.
“A proposal to adjourn the Council was under consideration. When the opinion of Colonel Davenport was asked, he answered,’I am against an adjournment. The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause of an adjournment: if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty. I wish therefore that candles may be brought.’”
Where did you find this piece of history? I think it is wonderful.
No it didn't.
Its a friggin gas guzzling inefficient ugly vehicle that he was tired of putting money into because he lacked the skills to properly keep it running, now it happens to be the truth of this situation that I was the supervisor over him while he was employed as one of my concrete mixer drivers.
And my 4 decades of being a mechanic with my own shop full of all the tools, lifting equipment, body and paint tools was actually the reason why he gave it to me so he says. I knew what to do,how to rebuild it its just the timing was coincidental and somewhat auspicious.
And should a person who truly and possibly did believe the end of times was tomorrow and gave his empire away to me should happen I would have no reservations about accepting, as long as it was final and iron clad.
The living must keep on living. Those that choose the path of weakness, false gods and such are getting pretty numerous. I know many of my co-workers feel a bit put off they didn’t get something free out of the blue, the same people believe the world owes them free rides and a paycheck for little or no sweat off the brow so to speak.
Everything has a purpose should one have the inner strength and conviction to carry the burden of responsibility.
re: Once you stop preaching what Jesus said and start preaching your own personal special knowledge, you are debasing Christianity.
Totally true. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that going on.
Not only that, but repentance is between a man and God. In no way should anyone be asked to repent to their fellow man. First, it would do no good, and second, the spectacle of calling for public humiliation is disgusting.
There are special places in the hotter parts of Hell for those who presume to know the mind and will of God...
Merciful Freepers might consider sending the good Pastor a variety of BBQ seasonings as tokens he might consider trying to take with him to the hereafter....
What I want to know is where is Harold Camping? I cannot find a single news story today May 22 that is interested in finding out what happened to him. Does anyone know?
I would expect that both MSM reporters as well as the alternate (real) media in Oakland are on patrol both at Camping’s home and his office.
A fruitful inquiry might be to try to reach some of that 80% of his employees that the article said did not buy in to the prediction. What are they hearing and saying?
“And should a person who truly and possibly did believe the end of times was tomorrow and gave his empire away to me should happen I would have no reservations about accepting, as long as it was final and iron clad.”
I understand what you are saying, but it does provide an ethical dilemma. Should a person profit from an action that this person knew would not occur? In other words, your coworker gave you the car because he believed he was being raptured on May 21. You did not believe for one second that this would occur, but took the car anyway knowing full well that when May 22 came around the coworker would still be here. That is like standing with a coworker at the door to the hallway and having him give you his Rolex watch because he tells you when he steps into the hallway he will be on Mars and will not need a Rolex watch. You take the Rolex , knowing full well that when he steps through the doorway, he will be in the bathroom. If he turns around, depressed and disillusioned with nothing left, would you give him his Rolex back? After all you knew he was not going to Mars, but to the toilet. I would think an ethical person would give the watch back. What do you think?
I told my boss off, quit my job, trashed my car, I told my landlord to eff off and I gave away everything I own. Now what I going to do?
Uh, the authority is scripture.
The above link has a lot of new info.
Oh, that clears it up. But whose interpretation -- Camping's, or the Baptist's? Or yours?
Most reputable Christian leaders, even those with very large ministries (Franklin Graham, Max Lucado, et. al) have accountability partners who they can talk with and run ideas past, and these people can tell them if they're 'going off the reservation' scripturally. They put themselves under authority of fellow believers to help them stay the proper course in their walk with Christ. Many of them also have pastors and churches that they are a part of who have authority over them.
Most nutjobs or cult leaders, like Camping, don't have anyone in authority over themselves, setting themselves up as the highest authority. In their minds, the only one they answer to is "God".
(Note: I put "God" in quotes because a lot of times their ideas are so half-baked and strange that the true God had absolutely nothing to do with it, even though they give Him 'credit' for it.)
Camping did have resources for accountability, and chose to ignore them. He was teaching at Alameda Community Church, of the Christian Reformed Church denomination, where he was asked to stop teaching on May 1988. My guess is that the other elders of the church had previously approached him with their concerns (a Biblical approach BTW). Camping chose to walk out in a huff. His claim that the Holy Spirit left the church on 21May1988 and no one would be saved after that may coincide with the date that he was to stop teaching.
Between two and four, as the cableguy says..
I guess you must have missed the parts of the New Testament calling sinner’s to repentance? St. Paul and Peter seemed to mention it a few times. Maybe you could read the NT through a couple of times and give us your interpretation?
I don’t follow Camping (because he is a proven false prophet), so you’ll have to excuse me for not knowing about his affiliation - or lack thereof.
I don’t have any interest in a Rolex personally.
But I did buy from another co-worker years ago a somewhat damaged but ultimately repairable a 12,000 watt (12KW) Onan diesel generator that he found along the Alaska Highway miles from no where and hauled it back onto his truck, I bought it, a welder and an air compressor for $150. He needed fast cash right then and there. I’m not a pawn shop.
The generator is worth at least $2,000, months later he came back demanding I sell everything back to him.
What would you do?
That reminds me of the joke about Epiphany that ends, “The Gospel says the wise men came from a faaaahr.”
I did. The topic is false teaching, something of which both Catholicism and Harold Camping are guilty.
There is a big difference in buying a damaged generator from a coworker who needed fast cash and a car from someone who had placed his faith in something that you knew beforehand would not occur. The first guy wanted money which you gave him and therefore has no moral or legal right to reclaim the generator. But the second fellow gave you the truck for a pathetic and tragic reason which you knew was false, but you took the truck anyway. That, to me, seems like profiting from someone’s misery. My example to you in the previous post was not to highlight the Rolex but to show the ethical conundrum.
in my case, this would be before literally wearing the binding off my "NIV" bible before converting, by God's grace, to Catholicism from 20+ years in the pitiful heresy of Protestantism.
“A daily Mass attendee will hear most of the entire bible read to him every two years.”
Ummm...no. Most but not all of the New Testament, and just a fraction of the Old.
13.5% of the Old Testament, and 71.5% of the New Testament. 41% of the New Testament and 4% of the Old if you don’t go every day.
Ping to #84.
I think alot of people should apologize for being so gullible as to be taken in by a goofy old guy who’s been wrong SEVERAL times before!
It wasn’t a demand, it was a recommendation based upon biblical principles.
The Baptist “magesterium” is the local church, which wouldn’t apply to the relationship in this instance.
I think he should commit Hari-Kari-on TV.
Because to be "honestly wrong" he had to:
(1) Ignore a significant amount of what is written in the Bible (including the "no man knows the day" teaching by Jesus). This is tantamount to ripping pages out of the Bible, because you don't like what they say.
(2) He had to twist and bend scripture in other areas to support his prophecy. This includes being dogmatic about verses--demanding that there is only once correct intrepretation of a verse: the intrepretation that supports YOUR position.
(3) The Bible bluntly states that those that hold themselves out to be religious teachers will be held to a higher standard by God come judgement day.
(4) This is the second time he has made the exact same "honest mistake." As the old saying goes: once is an accident, the second time is a pattern. And the "honest mistake" he keeps making is placing his own, private interpretation of scripture above what the text of the Bible clearly states--states in such a clear manner that even a child can understand it: no man knows the hour or the day.