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Shock after Dutch priest endorses pedophilia
My Way ^ | 21 May 2011 | TOBY STERLING

Posted on 05/22/2011 4:16:53 PM PDT by SkyPilot

AMSTERDAM (AP) - The Dutch Catholic Church and the Salesian order are investigating revelations that a Salesian priest served on the board of a group that promotes pedophilia with the full knowledge of his boss.

The order's top official in the Netherlands, Delegate Herman Spronck, confirmed in a statement that the priest - identified by RTL Nieuws as 73-year-old "Father Van B." - served on the board of "Martijn," a group that campaigns to end the Dutch ban on adult-child sex.

The group is widely reviled but not outlawed.

"Of course we reject this and distance ourselves from this personal initiative" on the part of the priest, Spronck said in a statement. "Membership in such organizations does not fit with the ethos of the Salesian order."

However, Spronck's own superior in Belgium said he will investigate both Spronck and Van B., after both men were quoted by RTL Nieuws as saying such relationships aren't always harmful.

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"Society thinks these relationships are harmful. I disagree," RTL quoted Van B. as saying. He served on Martijn's board from 2008 until 2010, when its founder was arrested for alleged possession of child pornography, a case that is ongoing...

In a second interview, RTL quoted Spronck as saying he was aware of Van B.'s pedophilia and membership in Martijn, and even of two instances where the priest had been fined by police for exposing himself in public. But he said he didn't think that was sufficient reason to ban him from the order.

"Removing someone from the order is something you would only do in the case of grave moral transgression, such as rape. There was never any question of that," Spronck was quoted as saying.

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Oh, good heavens!

Spronck added that adult-child sexual relations do not necessarily have to be damaging, including with children as young as 12.

Spronck and his organization could not be reached Saturday for comment. According to its website, the Dutch arm of the Salesians has 14 employees and 400 volunteers and aims to help poor children.

I think that the reason for this "blind eye" approach is that so many priests are homosexual.

Actual surveys: In the Fall of 1999, the Kansas City Star sent a questionnaire to 3,000 priests in the U.S. 73% did not reply. The low response rate could be anticipated. One would expect homosexuals and bisexuals to be reluctant to respond to the questionnaire since it deals with such a sensitive issue, and originated from a newspaper. Homosexual and bisexual priests would probably be less likely to reply to the survey. Among the 801 priests who did reply: 75% said they had a heterosexual orientation; 15% homosexual; 5% bisexual. 9 During 1990, Rev. Thomas Crangle, a Franciscan priest in Passaic, N.J., mailed a survey to 500 randomly selected priests. Of the 398 responses, about 45% said that they were gay. 10 Conclusion: If we assume that all of the estimates are of equal validity, then perhaps 33% of priests have a homosexual orientation -- about one in three.

1 posted on 05/22/2011 4:16:59 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Well, Harold Camping may have been correct about one thing, the death or organized churches.


2 posted on 05/22/2011 4:18:24 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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RTL quoted Spronck as saying he was aware of Van B.'s pedophilia and membership in Martijn, and even of two instances where the priest had been fined by police for exposing himself in public. But he said he didn't think that was sufficient reason to ban him from the order.

Of course.

3 posted on 05/22/2011 4:18:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Para-Ord.45

death OF *


4 posted on 05/22/2011 4:18:56 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: SkyPilot

This is not a Catholic priest. This is a devil from Hell masquerading as one. This man should be jailed. Were it up to me he’d be dead as Christ commanded those who would harm children.


5 posted on 05/22/2011 4:21:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: SkyPilot

rope + tree = Justice


6 posted on 05/22/2011 4:22:02 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Para-Ord.45
Harold Camping has reportedly gone into hiding. I tuned into his "Open Forum" over the years now and then, and quickly turned it off. His teaching was unbiblical, and let's just say the man has an "ego problem."
7 posted on 05/22/2011 4:27:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
You really think this vile creature believes in God?
8 posted on 05/22/2011 4:27:37 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: SkyPilot

Next up they will be endorsing bestiality.


9 posted on 05/22/2011 4:27:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jmacusa
This is not a Catholic priest.

Unfortunately, he is, and will remain one unless the Catholic church defrocks him. There is an "investigation", however, if you read the article - it is clear he is an admitted pedophile and member of an organization that (if it was active in the U.S.) would be grounds for the police and FBI to immediately arrest him and charge him. What "investigation" has to be conducted? How long will they take? It is an outrage.

10 posted on 05/22/2011 4:30:33 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Tribune7
You really think this vile creature believes in God?

I never said anything about his belief or non-belief in God. Why are you asking me?

I know he is still a Catholic priest. That fact is indisputable.

11 posted on 05/22/2011 4:32:22 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
If Spronck and Van B. were within driving distance, I would post the pictures of their shotgun shell splattered bodies after I was finished with them for everyone’s amusement.

If these pukes are still alive in 24 hours, I will be very disappointed.

12 posted on 05/22/2011 4:33:47 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: SkyPilot

The far left wing and Liberaltarians have found themselves a church to join.


13 posted on 05/22/2011 4:34:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SkyPilot
I never said anything about his belief or non-belief in God. Why are you asking me?

It was rhetorical. The answer is no -- at least with regard to the God of the Catholic Church.

14 posted on 05/22/2011 4:34:41 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Tribune7

Satan himself undoubtedly believes in God.


15 posted on 05/22/2011 4:48:13 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (I stand with Israel!)
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To: Salvation; Cronos
Heads up before you see this reposted.
16 posted on 05/22/2011 4:48:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SkyPilot

From what friends and co workers have said of the state of Christianity in Holland and the Netherlands, this doesn’t surprise me at all.

Of course, no action will be taken.


17 posted on 05/22/2011 4:52:03 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SkyPilot

Shock after Dutch priest endorses pedophilia ?

Shock???

IT’S THE NETHERLANDS! DUH!

The ones that weren’t complete pervs left in the previous 2 centuries....Thank God.


18 posted on 05/22/2011 4:55:23 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That’s a point.


19 posted on 05/22/2011 4:56:15 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: SkyPilot

No surprise. Our heavenly Father told us there’d be days like this.


20 posted on 05/22/2011 4:58:47 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Next up they will be endorsing bestiality.
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All I want would like to know is, how and the heck did you read my mind?!


21 posted on 05/22/2011 5:17:41 PM PDT by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: DeadFurrow

It doesn’t take much to figure out the pattern of the madness. Besides making bestiality a norm they’ll be marrying human beings and animals in the not too distant future.

Who would have thought that in 1960 there would be homosexual marriage 40 to 50 years later?

You’ll see people marrying their cars, their pets, two guys and two girls marrying all of each other, humans marrying trees, and whatever relationship perversity you can think up it’s already in the works somewhere.

How about the creation of chimeras (human/animal hybrids)? How about humans having sex with them? How about state-sanctioned marriage? It’s coming down the pike.

And anyone who disagrees will be vilified by the Left and made an enemy of the state.


22 posted on 05/22/2011 5:33:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Tribune7; SkyPilot
You really think this vile creature believes in God?

I agree with you Tribune. The man does not "John 3:16" in God.

23 posted on 05/22/2011 5:33:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: DeadFurrow

Only a matter of time once the Left started down this path. First gay marriage, then polygamy and child sex.

But liberals keep saying, “Oh no, it’s not a slippery slope, these things aren’t related AT ALL...!”


24 posted on 05/22/2011 5:44:07 PM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: SkyPilot

When I read things like this I get a gut level reaction. One that says no intellectualizing, it’s time for a swift and primitive solution.


25 posted on 05/22/2011 6:12:11 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: SkyPilot
This is Holland. They have way different standards of decency than we espouse. Home of "involuntary euthanasia," after all.
26 posted on 05/22/2011 6:24:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tribune7

Even Satan believes in God.


27 posted on 05/22/2011 6:25:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DeadFurrow

Pedophilia is worse than bestiality.

One victimizes a helpless human child, the other a helpless animal. Both are disgusting, but the first is obviously worse.


28 posted on 05/22/2011 6:28:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SkyPilot

That’s not pedophilia if the age is 12+. To be pedophilia the interest has to be in children below the age of puberty. There is a different term for people who like children past puberty but I can’t remember the term. However, what it really is gay men who like young boys, straight men who like young girls, lesbians who like young girls and straight women who like young boys. My guess is that the person involved liked young boys (80% of all the sexual abuse cases involved young boys and the majority of them were post pubescent.). The media loves to call all of this behavior pedophilia because the stats on real pedophilia show more straights are involved. That way they can bury that this is really something entirely different involving a media protected class of people.


29 posted on 05/22/2011 6:34:54 PM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale
I am well familiar with the MSM "splitting hairs" argument.

A prepubescent boy who is the subject of lust by a priest is a "condition" of "Ephebophilia", right? Not Pedophilia?

Except the age "definition" you listed of 12+ doesn't qualify. Wiki, for instance, defines it at age 15 and up.

Then, we can split this down into even sicker and more evil subgroups.

Infantophilia, or nepiophilia, is used to refer to a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (usually ages 0–3).[31] Pedophilia is used for individuals with a primary sexual interest in prepubescent children aged 13 or younger.[1]

All of it sin. All of it evil.

You want to know what I think of all these fancy classifications, sub classifications, and nuances?

They are a bunch of Horse $h^t.

No what these monsters want to call themselves, they are child molesters. Sexual predators. And God knows their sins.

30 posted on 05/22/2011 6:53:03 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Those priests are not pedophiles, they are predatory queers! They try to soften and confuse by using big words and terms to hide the obvious truth ... they are predatory queers!


31 posted on 05/22/2011 7:10:09 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: SkyPilot
member of an organization that (if it was active in the U.S.) would be grounds for the police and FBI to immediately arrest him and charge him.

NAMBLA is alive and well in the U.S.

32 posted on 05/22/2011 7:10:31 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: SkyPilot
One in three? I doubt that very seriously. My family lived close to the Parish when I was growing up, and we always had the Associate Pastors in and out of the house. As I grew up, I continued to have friends who were priests, and have lived in several different states, getting to know the priests in each place. My hubby's brother is a priest, and through him, I know quite a few priests. Out of all those priests, I've not known ONE priest who is homosexual, exhibited homosexual tendencies, or about whom anything was ever even suggested.

Yes, there are some, but I don't believe they are in as great numbers as have been suggested.

33 posted on 05/22/2011 7:30:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SkyPilot

All that being said, these priests in the Salesian order in the Netherlands are NUTS! They are the result of liberal influence in their order, and the Church in Europe, for many years. Attitudes like this are the reason Pope Benedict stated as one of the issues he wants to address during his Papacy is the RE-evangelization of Europe.


34 posted on 05/22/2011 7:34:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
What I don't get is this:

- The Pope claims to be the vicar of Christ on earth, the "holy father" (which is a name that scripture warns not call him), and the absolute head of the Catholic church in all authority

- The Pope even places himself and the church between God, holy scripture, and man. The Pope even made a recent speech about how individual passages of scripture cannot be expected to have meaning on their own, but have to be taken as part of a "greater" view of holistic meaning with.........the Catholic church as the middle man of what is truth

It is possible to perceive the Sacred Scriptures as the word of God" only by looking at the Bible as a whole, "a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding," the pope wrote in a message to the Pontifical Biblical Commission. "It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression," the pope wrote in the message released May 5 at the Vatican.

- And after ALL of that, this "CEO" of the Catholic church cannot seem be able to muster either the authority, or the will....to fire and defrock homosexual priests?!!!!!?????!!!!!

What the heck is going on?

As I said, my suspicion is that there are so many homosexuals in the priesthood, that they cannot get rid of them all and still have many priests left. Moreover, I believe high ranking members of the Catholic church are, themselves, homosexual.

35 posted on 05/22/2011 7:54:54 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..

ping


36 posted on 05/22/2011 8:14:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SkyPilot

....”distance ourselves from this personal initiative” on the part of the priest”....

Well that does seem to be the general reaction. No skin off their noses....just step away. Hummm...brothers keeper comes to mind.


37 posted on 05/22/2011 8:16:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: jmacusa
This is not a Catholic priest.

We have been informed many times on this forum that once a priest, always a priest and that personal sin in a priest's life does not affect his ability to administer sacraments.

Not only that, but until and unless the Catholic church defrocks and officially and publicly ex-communicates him, any Catholic who says anything about this entity not being a priest or having ex-communicated himself simply has no credibility.

If the RCC doesn't officially recognize the self-ex-communication, that person still can legitimately call themselves *Catholic* and nobody is under any obligation to believe that the person has ex-communicated himself with his behavior. If the church doesn't recognize it in the way they relate to the person, nobody else is obligated to either.

This is a devil from Hell masquerading as one. This man should be jailed. Were it up to me he’d be dead as Christ commanded those who would harm children.

I can certainly appreciate your sentiment.

FWIW, this is the worst possible thing to have happened PR wise in light of the fallout from the whole Catholic priest abuse scandal.

38 posted on 05/22/2011 8:24:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SkyPilot
I am well familiar with the MSM "splitting hairs" argument. A prepubescent boy who is the subject of lust by a priest is a "condition" of "Ephebophilia", right? Not Pedophilia? Except the age "definition" you listed of 12+ doesn't qualify. Wiki, for instance, defines it at age 15 and up. Then, we can split this down into even sicker and more evil subgroups. Infantophilia, or nepiophilia, is used to refer to a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (usually ages 0–3).[31] Pedophilia is used for individuals with a primary sexual interest in prepubescent children aged 13 or younger.[1]

I don't think that the victims feel any different if it's called *ephebophilia* rather than *pedophilia*.

The only reason it is done is to make it seem less bad than it is.

That which we call a rose by any other name.......

All of it sin. All of it evil. You want to know what I think of all these fancy classifications, sub classifications, and nuances? They are a bunch of Horse $h^t.

Absolutely.

39 posted on 05/22/2011 8:31:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SkyPilot
The Pope might be the vicar of Christ on Earth, but he isn't Head of Human Resources for every Diocese. Each Bishop is responsible for the priests, and their activities, in his Diocese. It is the Bishop who would make the decision to de-frock any priest.

Sadly, in Europe, as in some American Dioceses, some of the Bishops who were young priests in the 60s and early 70s had been infected with the virus of liberalism and feminism, and made horrible decisions regarding their priests. Thankfully, near the end of his Papacy, Pope John Paul II appointed some younger Bishops who were not liberals like their older 'brothers'. And Pope Benedict seems to be following that trend.

40 posted on 05/22/2011 8:32:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Thanks SkyPilot.
...served on the board of "Martijn," a group that campaigns to end the Dutch ban on adult-child sex.

41 posted on 05/22/2011 8:35:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: xzins
The man does not "John 3:16" in God.

Dittos

42 posted on 05/22/2011 8:37:30 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: SuziQ
Yes, there are some, but I don't believe they are in as great numbers as have been suggested.

Well, then, there's another issue then and that would be the integrity of the priests responding to the surveys.

Just why would they lie and say that they're gay if they're not? Even considering that I could not even imagine someone who was not homosexual claiming that they were, they'd have to realize how that would reflect on the Church if they claimed it.

So the choices are that either the priests really are homosexual at the rate which they are reporting or they are liars at the rate at which they're reporting being homosexual.

Not a good scenario either way.

43 posted on 05/22/2011 8:38:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SkyPilot

You made a typo: “A prepubescent boy who is the subject of lust by a priest is a “condition” of “Ephebophilia”, right? Not Pedophilia?” It’s post-pubescent and then you’d be correct. My point wasn’t to excuse those who abuse children but to point out the media’s deception in the use of the term pedophile to hide the fact that most of these individuals are gay men praying on defenseless boys and in the case of a Priest are under their control due to the Priests position. It’s statutory or real rape under the color of authority in addition to being a sin. It’s also a violation of their orders.


44 posted on 05/22/2011 9:19:58 PM PDT by airedale
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To: metmom

Many didn’t return the surveys, so there wasn’t that large a ‘sample’.


45 posted on 05/22/2011 10:19:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: airedale
I don't use this word very often, but I "hate" your comparison.

Raping a boy who is 13 is just as evil as raping a boy who is 11.

It is the homosexuals who have put up this "distinction" in ages. It is sick, evil, and twisted. Why you help perpetuate it is beyond me.

It is all child abuse. These are children. Children. Kids. Boys.

For crying out loud..........

46 posted on 05/23/2011 3:38:38 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SuziQ
The Pope might be the vicar of Christ on Earth, but he isn't Head of Human Resources for every Diocese. Each Bishop is responsible for the priests, and their activities, in his Diocese.

Some "vicar of Christ." He won't even fire priests who are homosexuals and child abusers? He has the power - and don't tell me he doesn't.

47 posted on 05/23/2011 3:40:07 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SuziQ; SkyPilot
Many didn’t return the surveys, so there wasn’t that large a ‘sample’.

I noticed that.

OTOH, I'd expect the ones who didn't have anything to hide would be more likely to return it just to make sure that it reflects positively on the priests and Catholic church, but that's just my opinion and that opinion would hold true for any church or organization that takes a stand against homosexuality.

I know that when there are online polls posted on FR, I always make sure to vote so the conservative vote is counted and people know that there are those of us out there who do NOT swallow the liberal MSM koolaid.

In reality, there is nothing that can be accurately presumed either way about those who didn't respond. However, the results of the two polls were pretty consistent with each other.

Even if ALL the other priests were 100% heterosexual, that still leaves an alarming percentage who admit to being homosexual.

Are there other polls that contest those two?

48 posted on 05/23/2011 4:18:01 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SkyPilot

There is a special place in hell for scum like this.


49 posted on 05/23/2011 5:44:20 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SkyPilot

of course it’s just as wrong and just as evil. I never said or thought it wasn’t. I’m not perpetuating anything. When you hide the truth you help evil.

The same pattern by the media applies to the Boy Scouts. Those Scout “leaders” who go after the boys under their control aren’t pedophiles they are gay men (closeted or open) who are praying on young boys. This gets hidden from the public and the public debate over the issue. Not all gay men like or pray on young boys, but you have to recognize the threat to deal with it. The hiding of what’s really going on by the media is deliberate.


50 posted on 05/23/2011 7:58:16 AM PDT by airedale
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