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Confirmed: Jindal and Rubio NOT Natural Born Citizens
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=297485 ^ | May 22, 2011 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/22/2011 6:31:10 PM PDT by jdirt

MIAMI, Fla. – Are U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal natural-born citizens of the United States, and thus eligible for the presidency?

It's a simple question, but the answer may not be so easy.

The next national election is less than 18 months away, and both rising Republican stars have been touted as potential contenders for either the No. 1 or No. 2 spot on a presidential ticket.

But their eligibility is in doubt since both men's parents were not U.S. citizens at the time their future political children were born, WND can reveal. That factor is important because the Constitution mandates a presidential candidate to be a "natural-born citizen," a requirement that has dogged President Barack Obama since the 2008 campaign.

With 2011 being the apparent year of the birth certificate, Jindal this month released a copy of his own birth record, indicating he was born on American soil – specifically, Baton Rouge, La. – to parents who were born in India.

Based on that disclosure, the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper declared him to be qualified for the White House, stating, "Piyush Jindal was born at Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge, a natural-born U.S. citizen, who like every other child born in America, could, constitutionally, grow up to be president."

Kyle Plotkin, Jindal's press secretary, echoed that proclamation, telling WND, "The governor is obviously a natural-born citizen."

Meanwhile, Marco Rubio was born in Miami, Fla., on May 28, 1971, to Mario and Oriales Rubio who were born in Cuba, though the senator has not released his birth certificate for the world to scrutinize.

Read more: Now popular Republicans 'not natural-born citizens' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=297485#ixzz1N8MU2PlT

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birther; captainobvious; certifigate; eligibility; enoughalready; jindal; naturalborncitizen; rubio
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And they both think they are!

What will the Repubs do now? What will the Dems do?

FYI There is a 5 to 10 day period that ANYBODY can file a challenge (petition) to a candidate's qualifications after the "qualifying" deadline. No standing required. Every State is different. It is not too early to check the laws in your State and your States Constitution. Just google, search "your state name" code and a searchable code will come up. Look for, contest or challenge candidate qualifications. If want to challenge Obama you will need to be sure of what you need to do because he will not be in a primary.

It looks like it will be the American people v the courts, the media and the two political parties.

1 posted on 05/22/2011 6:31:19 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: jdirt

None have expressed interest in running for president so it doesn’t matter.


2 posted on 05/22/2011 6:34:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: jdirt

Both were born in the US. Their parents were not citizens at the time of birth.


3 posted on 05/22/2011 6:34:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jdirt
...WND can reveal...

Seriously?

4 posted on 05/22/2011 6:35:15 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: jdirt

If the article is true, neither qualify for the presidency.

Both parents MUST be born in the USA.


5 posted on 05/22/2011 6:35:38 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: jdirt

If you define a natural born citizen as the framers originally meant it, then BOTH parents must be citizens AT THE TIME OF YOUR BIRTH in addition to the requirement that you must be born on American soil.

If this is so, Jindal, Rubio AND Obama are NOT natural born citizens ( yep, even with Obama’s Birth Certificate).


6 posted on 05/22/2011 6:36:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Randy Larsen

“Both parents MUST be born in the USA.”

Huh?


7 posted on 05/22/2011 6:37:48 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Randy Larsen

RE: Both parents MUST be born in the USA.

Actually both parents must be citizens at the time of one’s birth for one to be natural born.


8 posted on 05/22/2011 6:38:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: jdirt

If anybody really cared about this, Barry0 would not be in office.

The constitution no longer applies.


9 posted on 05/22/2011 6:38:54 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: jdirt

First off, Rubio is a Open border Amnesty type,Who would want that? Jindal, I do not see him drawing the votes necessary to win.


10 posted on 05/22/2011 6:38:58 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: jdirt

If they are NOT natural born citizens, that means they qualify!


11 posted on 05/22/2011 6:39:12 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes and you have to be a landowning male as well.


12 posted on 05/22/2011 6:39:12 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Randy Larsen
If the article is true, neither qualify for the presidency. Both parents MUST be born in the USA. Both of Obama's parents weren't born in the US. Both of them weren't even citizens. Congress declared Obama to be elected president. I'd like to see Rubio run just to dare a court to rule him ineligible, and thus exposing how Congress shredded the US Constitution when they declared electoral votes for Obama to be valid.
13 posted on 05/22/2011 6:39:44 PM PDT by johnpannell
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To: douginthearmy

RE: Yes and you have to be a landowning male as well

Is that a requirement as originally conceived by the framers?


14 posted on 05/22/2011 6:40:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: jdirt

I smell a new book by the Corsi /Farah scamsters.
Let’s hope that Jindal has the live birth certificate...of his grandfather and grandmother ;)


15 posted on 05/22/2011 6:41:08 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: biggredd1

Any citizen of Kenya qualifies.


16 posted on 05/22/2011 6:41:10 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: johnpannell

RE: Both parents MUST be born in the USA

Born in the USA or Citizens of the USA?


17 posted on 05/22/2011 6:41:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: driftdiver

What about Mitt Romney’s parents?


18 posted on 05/22/2011 6:41:55 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: Randy Larsen
So now "natural-born citizen" means that, not only the citizen, but also his parents, must be born in the US?

That's a new one; previously it had only been claimed that the candidate's parents had to be citizens at the time of his birth, not that they also had to be born in the US.

I've yet to see any evidence that the *law* -- not the Framers' intentions, or books they may have read and cited approvingly, etc. -- but the *law*, as it currently stands, recognizes three classes of American citizens (natural-born and eligible for the Presidency, born in this country of non-citizen parents and ineligible for the Presidency, but a citizen from birth, and naturalized citizens). The law only knows about natural-born citizens and naturalized ones.

Both Rubio and Jindal are citizens from birth.

19 posted on 05/22/2011 6:42:04 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: jdirt

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


20 posted on 05/22/2011 6:43:08 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: jdirt

I am a citizen, but my wife is a legal immigrant. So some conservatives want to say my children are not natural-born citizens and could never be president. Really, how narrow do they want the conservative movement to be? The whole Obama birth certificate “issue” just made some conservatives look stupid.


21 posted on 05/22/2011 6:43:27 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: All

this natural vs native is pure bunk.

this is visiting the sins of the father (or mother) upon the child.

No baby is ever given a different designation on their birth certificate.

We need to focus of finding a good candidate to go against an obama who will be superfuned via corruption, endosred by ALL media (including FNC) and protected by unionistas and wallstreet.

This issue is just a sacraficial anode for the rubes.


22 posted on 05/22/2011 6:44:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not according to our founding fathers. Everyone running for the office of president must be born in the USA, to parents also born in the USA.

If I’m wrong...show me where.


23 posted on 05/22/2011 6:45:36 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: douginthearmy

AND states individually controlled immigration not the feds

AND there was no waiting years to become a citizen

AND there was no real national registry of citizens


24 posted on 05/22/2011 6:46:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

WorldNutDaily isn’t exactly a great source for accurate information.


25 posted on 05/22/2011 6:46:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Drango
That cracked me up, too! WND has ventured far beyond where the National Enquirer used to be. Next up, "Batboy Not a Natural Born Citizen!"


26 posted on 05/22/2011 6:47:36 PM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: driftdiver

It’s total crap.


27 posted on 05/22/2011 6:48:02 PM PDT by sand lake bar (Adventure Time with Finn and Jake!)
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To: driftdiver

WND is weird


28 posted on 05/22/2011 6:48:28 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: jdirt

I am glad this is being brought up now so that the question can hopefully be answered before the primaries. It will be fun to watch nobama & his gang of pretenders squirm. I am guessing that somehow they will screw us w/nobama & toss Jindal & Rubio under the bus. They have too many people in their pocket not to screw the country again.


29 posted on 05/22/2011 6:48:31 PM PDT by certrtwngnut
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To: Randy Larsen

“to parents also born in the USA.”

Where does it say that in the Constitution?


30 posted on 05/22/2011 6:48:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jdirt

With just another sentence or two here and there in the Constitution, the founders could have saved the USA many future disputes and debates such as the NBC issue. And I believe they did intend for a NBC to be a citizen born on US soil to two US citizens. (They probably didn’t foresee cases such as McCain, someone born to two US citizens on foreign military bases or foreign soil because a parent was serving in another country in the US military).

And I think if the founder’s had been more specific as to their intent that Obama, Jindal and Rubio would all be ineligible to serve as president. But they weren’t more specific and there is no way anything will come of this issue now but a new, much looser interpretation of who can serve as president. And each of the three in question will be considered eligible.


31 posted on 05/22/2011 6:49:06 PM PDT by Will88
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To: jdirt

Did I miss something? Did the Supreme Court rule on the eligibility clause? No, they didn’t and until they do, everything else is just someone’s opinion.

I believe that the founders intended a Natural Born Citizen to be born of two U.S. Citizen parents, but I also believe that the Supreme Court of today probably will say that born on U.S. soil is good enough.


32 posted on 05/22/2011 6:49:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: SeekAndFind

If one of the parents are born in the USA, and the other becomes a US citizen...the off spring are known as native born citizens thus disqualifying the off spring for the presidency.


33 posted on 05/22/2011 6:49:49 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: Randy Larsen
Everyone running for the office of president must be born in the USA, to parents also born in the USA.

The Constitution merely says that anyone elected to the Presidency must be an NBC. It doesn't define the term. Court decisions or statutory law would have to do that. Can you cite a court decision or a federal statute that says what you claim?

34 posted on 05/22/2011 6:50:53 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Randy Larsen

I hear this repeated ad nauseum, but haven’t seen a shred of what I’d consider proof.


35 posted on 05/22/2011 6:51:19 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Keith in Iowa

What one or both need to do is to announce their intent to run for the POTUS. The Lame Stream Media will stupidly pick up the story and then they will be primed to pick up the story on Hussein Obama - NOT!!!!


36 posted on 05/22/2011 6:51:23 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: centurion316

“I believe that the founders intended a Natural Born Citizen to be born of two U.S. Citizen parents”

What is that belief based on?


37 posted on 05/22/2011 6:51:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: reaganaut1

Why did liberals force johnny McCain to be natural born of citizen parents?? where is the dunham hussein obama resolution since the commie was born in kenya?...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511


38 posted on 05/22/2011 6:52:14 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: centurion316

where were these conspiracy kooks when Dukakis was running?

or were they just fond of democrat politicians in tanks?


39 posted on 05/22/2011 6:52:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Randy Larsen

>>>If I’m wrong...show me where.

“Natural born” in common law at the time of the writing of the constitution was taken to mean being born to parents who were CITIZENS.

How ‘bout you show us why you’re right?


40 posted on 05/22/2011 6:53:33 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Campion

I believe you are correct.

The courts will hold that there are just two types of citizens; those who are entitled to citizenship by the circumstances of their birth (thus called ‘natural born’), and those who are ‘naturalized’

The courts are going to pay no more attention to original intent in this case than they do to original intent regarding the ‘general welfare’ clause. Too much is at stake for the statists.


41 posted on 05/22/2011 6:53:56 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jdirt

If the Republicans were smart, they would turn the political tables on the Dems & name Rubio to the ticket. Then you can let THEM piss off the Latino vote by challenging it in court.

:)


42 posted on 05/22/2011 6:55:43 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: jdirt; Admin Moderator; SortaBichy
You need to ask the mods to pull this silly-ass whackjob thread. This sh*t you clowns are constantly putting up here does nothing but denigrate a once fine place, FR.

I'm pinging the Sunday night mod....if this silliness doesn't get yanked and stopped, I'm through -- finito, nada, no mas -- supporting Free Republic; the Chris Matthews/Keith Olbermann types will have restocked their ammunition based on dumbass threads just like this.

Just a hat tip to the mods that this place is running amok.....reining in is way overdue.

43 posted on 05/22/2011 6:56:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: jdirt

44 posted on 05/22/2011 6:56:54 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: jdirt

Before everyone gets out of whack, Obama is a not a natural born citizen which disqualifies him to be POTUS because of his father. The powers that be are doing this because of their one world government push.

We have no secured borders and an ineligible President. Look where it’s gotten us. People with no loyalty to their country should not head it.

I for one don’t want to answer to a bunch of buffoons just because they are rich.


45 posted on 05/22/2011 6:58:26 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ErnBatavia

Why don’t you just leave the thread? No one asked for your opinion.


46 posted on 05/22/2011 6:59:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jdirt

Neither meet the requirements for natural born, both are naturalized citizens from a different country,


47 posted on 05/22/2011 7:00:46 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: driftdiver

Contemporaneous writings of the founders and others. But what I think, or the writer of this blog thinks, or anyone else out there thinks doesn’t matter. What matters is what politicians think and what the Supreme Court might rule if they ever get the case.


48 posted on 05/22/2011 7:01:26 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: jdirt

They don’t need to be for the offices they hold. Should they choose to run for the presidency down the line and they don’t qualify, oh well. We’ll just have to choose somebody else.


49 posted on 05/22/2011 7:01:26 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: reaganaut1
for those who actually believe this issue:




WELCOME! to fantasy island!!!



50 posted on 05/22/2011 7:03:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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