Skip to comments.Cain stumbles on right of return?
Posted on 05/22/2011 10:15:38 PM PDT by deek69
US presidential candidate Herman Cain is trying to recover from an embarassing stumble over the question of the Palestinian Right of Return on Sunday.
Right of Return?, Cain blankly asked twice in response to being questioned about his position on the vital issue on FOX News Sunday. The second or two of deafening silence that lasted before host Chris Wallace repeated The Palestinian Right of Return to the Republican hopeful seemed to last forever.
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However, that weight is so very small.
Only two VPs have ever been elected president, as a successor to the president they served under, under the current constitutional process. Serving VPs elected to the presidency are very few and very far between.
Yes. And my feeling is these arguments need to be countered with something tight and compact that frames the argument, rather than, responds to someone else’s framing. Thus: Sarah is conservatism. Conservatism is the only answer.
The first assertion cannot be denied. The second assertion must be refuted. And what would a democrat/socialist refute it with? More spending? More government (less freedom)? More mediocrity? More dependency on foreign oil? Higher costs? More apologizing for being American?
These are the positions Obama needs to defend. If forced to do so, he loses. He loses because these positions are wrong.
People who have already picked a candidate are getting very defensive. It seems like a lot of people think that if more than one conservative is in the race then the vote will be split and the establishment will win. There may be some small logic to this but it leads to us spending more energy tearing down the best candidates instead of exposing the fakes.
Cain was lost on the ‘right of return’. Palin said we were allies with North Korea. Bachmann didn’t know where the Revolutionary War started. Reagan said trees caused more pollution than cars.
Ron Paul certainly doesn’t.
In fact, I question his grasp on reality.
I know two men that say if they have to choose between a female or O, they will stay home. Now, they don’t know much if anything about politics. Which is precisely what scares me so much about trying to get a woman through right now.
Remember alllll those ignorant people worshiping O, tears and all after he was elected? You can bet that a great number of them knew little to nothing about politics either. A great number of them couldn’t even tell you the difference between a democrat and a conservative. But they showed up to vote anyway...
That’s what we’re up against no matter who we try to put in there.
That having been said, all I can do is re-state what I said earlier and hope I’ve said something this time that will make it all “click” for people out there.
We can hold up signs all day long that say a female president would be a great thing, spend countless hours explaining why Sarah or Bachman or any other female is so very wonderful - but the fact remains that there are ... things... which stand between a female and success, completely outside of politics altogether, that simply do not exist for a man right now, if to no one else, the politically ignorant voting members of society.
I don’t think we have time to take those chances. Not now. Gosh. Any time but now. O is trying to destroy us. If we don’t get this right, he’s going to succeed!
It is difficult at this point to put any strong hope in any of the men who are running. They all have some pretty serious issues. Ron Paul wants to legalize heroin, Herman Cain isn’t going to last long because people are slowly figuring out that he’s not as bright as they thought he was, Trump never could have gotten himself elected because he’s emotionally high strung and drops F bombs during family dinner, Tim Pawlenty to date is nowhere near aggressive enough.. it’s a mess. I don’t know what the answer is but I hope one shows up soon.
The only person I myself think could pull it off without too much trouble is Tom Coburn, and he won’t run.
I greatly appreciate your confidence in my actions as senator. However, I am serving only where I feel called to serve, and I do not feel called to run for the presidency. At this time, I plan on serving my final six-year term and then retiring from service in Congress. I have promised my constituents I will serve no more than two terms in the Senate, and I will keep that pledge. I look forward to returning to Muskogee and spending time with my family.
I hope my leadership on limited government, cutting government waste, and defending traditional values will not end with me but will inspire and challenge others that are likeminded to run for office and advance these causes.
Thank you again for writing. Best wishes.
Tom A. Coburn, M.D.
United States Senator
Thanks for the info. I am not committed to any candidate now. Just still looking...right now I am leaning to Pawlenty.
Cain stumbled. No doubt.
It further underscores the need for him to partner with someone like Bolton if he wants to win.
I did like it when Wallace asked what concession he’d be willing to give the Palestinians and he said “Nothing” though.
Think you might have buttressed my position once you list the GOP vp’s.
And then there’s Bob Dole and who?
There’s little point in even trying to recall the GOP House and Senate GOP leaders without the aid of an encyclopedia.
Don’t know for sure, but I suspect there just might be a pattern.
In any case, it’s the battle before us that requires us to focus our efforts and will to try and stop this runaway train to destruction. And to field candidates with an eye to the future beyond just next year.
Have a good one.
Plus he’s black too... Did you people notice that? You’ll never vote for a black man because you are racist.
That’s why you hate Obama in all 57 states.
(P.S. there are 57 ISLAMIC states... hmm, sending a message?)
One should always do one’s homework
Perhaps this is the take-away point of Cain’s appearance. He didn’t think highly enough of the moment to get suitably up to speed on THAT DAY’S big story.
He clearly did not know what was meant by “right of return”—he didn’t know the phrase...at a time when this issue was in the forefront.
Yet, despite hundreds of gaffe’s by Palin, they won’t call her toast.
Palin is FAR more popular among men than women. So, yes.
I suppose “right of return” is a moot point when you state the position of giving the Palis “nothing” in concessions.
So who then?
The only one whose name is floated that really knows foreign policy is Bolton.
A good VP for a guy like Cain.
Dubya didn’t have much foreign policy knowledge either - remember how he flubbed about the new leader of Pakistan?
Does every candidate need to be totally up to speed on every demand by every radical group in the world?
“Yet, despite hundreds of gaffes by Palin, they wont call her toast.”
Great insight. Palin has never been attacked nor demeaned.
Do try to keep up.
The question was the electability of a woman, not Palin per se.
They are not “gotcha” questions they are “bully bits”. The media plays the bully in the tv playground.
Nonsense. Most voters have little or no idea what that term means, nor care should they know or take a few minutes to look it up. It is an absurdity, a non-starter, favored by those who are looking to derail the real issues of achieving lasting peace. The term may be known, but only because it has been tossed around enough by those talking heads who are either ignorant or malicious of its meaning - and obviously the one who brought it up in this case did so with malice.
OK dozens then.
More than Cain, regardless.
“You say toh-mah-toh, I say toh-may-toh!”
Toast, like beauty, is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
That said, even a broken toaster gets it right sometimes. It’s just a matter of timing.
“My mother, a conservative, christian, former-marine was saying yesterday how shed be concerned about a woman president during war-time.”
Two words: Golda Meir
Two more words: Margaret Thatcher
I know, I know...and she was a Marine!
Surprisingly he didn't proclaim the use of his handy one-size-fits-all, 4 Point Plan!!!
Sigh. This “presidential material” argument just really starts to wear thin.
I want a president with character, who loves this country, and who doesn’t hate me for being white and working hard. That’s it. I really don’t care for a legal genius or a pointy-headed foreign policy WONK — I want someone with a HEART. I want someone who puts Americans FIRST, with true leadership ability.
Is that really so hard? Our presidents are surrounded by the policy wonks ...what they need is a heart and good executive decision making ability ....and that STEMS from the heart.
We haven’t had anyone w/ a HEART since Reagan. It’s really time we brought it back.
It’s the LIBS who care about all the pointy-headed details ...because THEY use that stuff to make it look like they’re smarter than everyone else ...when they’re not. THEY lack heart ...so they don’t value it.
Don’t play their game!!!
If a tool like Gore can go on to run for president after not recognizing a bust Jefferson AT MONTICELLO, any prattle of “gaffes” is nothing but an acknowledgement my candidate is dangerous to your candidate.
...And “dozens” isn’t any more credible than “hundreds.”
Great insight. Palin has never been attacked nor demeaned.
would palin receive even a fraction of the adoration she gets if she looked like helen thomas ? just a thought.
The only thing you saw was Cain framing. He used the technique of framing to give him some time to give his answer which was:
WALLACE: Question: what would President Cain offer the Palestinians to make peace?
CAIN: Nothing. Because I'm not convinced that the Palestinians are really interested in peace. If the Palestinians come to the table with Israel, with a genuine offer that the two of them can sit down and negotiate, the United States would, in fact, try to facilitate that discussion.
But if we look at history, it has been clear that the Palestinians have always wanted to push Israelis and push Israel for more and more and more. I don't agree with that. I respect Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for taking a stand and saying they cannot give that up.
Secondly, it's Israel's decision, not President Obama's decision to where the borderlines ought to be.
WALLACE: Where do you stand on the right of return?
CAIN: The right of return? The right of return?
WALLACE: The Palestinian right of return.
CAIN: That is something that should be negotiated. That is something that should be negotiated.
WALLACE: Do you think the Palestinian refugees, the people who were kicked out of the land in 1948, should be able or should have any right to return to Israeli land?
CAIN: Yes. But under -- but not under Palestinian conditions. Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make.
Back to -- it's up to Israel to determine the things they will accept. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made it real clear in his statement following the statement that President Obama made. They are wiling to make some concessions. They are willing to give on a lot of things. They are willing to be compassionate.
I don't think they have a big problem with people returning. The issue is there are some things that they simply do not want to give in on.
As to your accusation of my revisionist Marxist views, personal attacks aside, nothing could be further from the truth.
I do not reject Christianity and Judaism, but embrace both religions as entities for good. I do reject the idea that the Puritans were pure, for they were anything but, if one was not a Puritan. I credit the later popular revolt against the Puritan theocracy for furthering the recognition of individual rights and freedoms.
The Puritans started Harvard University for one purpose only, to graduate teachers instilled with the Puritan dogma, to be placed in schools by law, and teach same (to the exclusion of all others) in every village and settlement under their control. They also instigated compulsory education for all children, to insure that Puritanism and Puritanism only was taught and learned.
The Puritans were not above slavery, they enslaved captured Indian women and children (Pequot War) to be used as labor for themselves, and sold other Indians into slavery to the hell of the sugar plantations in the Caribbean. (where they quickly died to the last one) If they deemed a White indentured servant to be incorrigible by their mores, said indentured servants were sometimes also sold as slaves to the sugar plantations.
The foregoing is not religious bigotry, but historical facts, all to often ignored or glossed over.
I can certainly understand your frustration as someone who wants Judaism to be fruitful and multiply. Nevertheless there seems to be something seriously wrong with a system in which a criminal husband can extort money from a woman to get a divorce. See the link below regarding the lengths couples in Israel are going to so as to avoid being stuck in a marriage that is not working. Also note, that the rabbis are not doing what they could to prevent such extortion by making sure that the classic Jewish marriage contract is drawn up before marriage.
I don’t care if you’ve actually known any Jews. Have you ever been friends with Jews.
I grew up in a small Southern town with Jews as my friends and neighbors. I watched as they were targeted by the KKK for thier own personal extinction.
I’ve also known many NE Jews, some who migrated to south Florida.
I’ve never seen a bunch of self-hating Jews as those were in my life.
So...you consider the “Palestinian Facts” site to be non-biased, and true facts?
I suggest you take a peek at Vendome’s post to you.
Thank you, Vendome, for your “Palestinian” FACTS.
BTW, research is fun, if it’s done right.
You need to get over your anti-semitism, and really look at the subject.
“He said don’t send him a 270 page bill.” I wonder if he has ever looked at a Congressional bill. Several years ago I sent away for Linder’s Fair Tax bill which was 65 pages. Bills that are modifications of other bills have pages and pages of “remove this word”, “add that phrase”, “change D.1. to d.(1)”, and the like. And all this is in double space, readable sized type with large margins. Although I never looked at the odious 2,000 page Obamacare bill, I suspect that if it were written as a narrative, it would only be about 150 pages.
Rather than being disturbed that he did not have an answer on the right of return issue, I am rather more concerned that he did not pick up on the statement, “the Palestinian refugees, the people who were kicked out of the land in 1948.” He should certainly have asked for clarification as to who was responsible for “kicking them out”. I suspect that Wallace was referring to Jews. I have known for 40 years that it was Arabs who forced the Palestinians to abandon their homes when the war broke out. Apparently Cain is not aware of this important aspect either.
I have no idea why you think I am anti-semitic. The two Jewish bosses I had were wonderful men. The Jewish kids in school were really nice. My neighbors the Levys, the Silvermans, and the Hannahs were mostly nice and I babysat their children, and took them along with the other little kids and my brothers on nature hikes quite often. I was horrified as an 8 year old in 1946 when I saw the life magazine photos of the ovens and mass graves. I had a therapy client for 4 years whose parents came out of the concentration camps as severaly damaged people, the client nearly died at birth in an Israeli refugee camp, later the family came to American and my client’s life got a lot worse. I had another Jewish client for 4 or 5 years whose sibling had committed suicide. I read Exodus many years ago, and more recently Mila 18 and QB VII with considerable sympathy, as well as other books with a Jewish theme. Jews have been reviled and scapegoated for 2,000 years with pogroms, the inquisition, etc. which is just awful. I think I have looked at the subject plenty.
I have no idea who called you anti-semitic but you are unlearned and uninformed, that’s all.
CAIN: Yes. But under — but not under Palestinian conditions. Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make.
Back to — it’s up to Israel to determine the things they will accept. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made it real clear in his statement following the statement that President Obama made. They are wiling to make some concessions. They are willing to give on a lot of things. They are willing to be compassionate.
Me, too. So let's not.
Right now there are a few former governors who have Executive experience.
One of those former governors has experience working with Energy companies, with extractive industries, and in helping craft cross border agreements which involve energy supplies.
That same former Governor has demonstrated ability to energize supporters at the grass-roots level.
That same Former Governor has been a nominee for national office and has experience dealing with the brutalities of that campaign, including unprecedented media attacks, and not only survived those attacks, but flourished. (Keep in mind the person at the top of the ticket was the 'problem' candidate on that ticket and imho remains a 'problem' for Conservatives).
That same former Governor has a definite track record on issues, an unabashedly Conservative track record.
That same former Governor has little left to be peeled back and waved about by the press--they have left few, if any stones unturned in their quest for dirt on her.
Cain sounds good on many issues. He does not have the experience Palin does, period. He is not as well known.
He is running, so far Sarah is not.
Now I'd vote for just about anyone but Obama, and the GOP knows this. We're right back to the old BS of "Where else are you going to go?"--but frankly, I don't want to be there, and the country can't afford that sort of politics as usual any more.
It is time for 'advancement' based on merit rather than seniority.
If we're going to get the Deficit/debt under control, foster economic recovery, and restore our Constitutional Republic, we need a Conservative, not just the lesser of two evils.
The first person on “To:” is the one who called me anti-semitic, but I included your name because you had a number of interesting and informative comments. I certainly did not mean to imply you thought I was anti-semitic. I am wondering why you think I am unlearned and uninformed. Is it from reading my other comments on this post? If so, which ones?
I’ll have to get back to later.
I’m on my cell but it wasn’t meant as a swipe
Vendome, thank you for your posts. I am the one who accused gleeaikin of being an anti-semite. Perhaps I was too harsh, and instead will accuse her of being uninformed.
However, the links she’s posted to me have been anti-Israel, and pro-Pali.
You can spout all of the pro-Israel statements you want to me, but you should look at sites other than pro-Pali sites.
Might I suggest Atlas Shrugged?
Have you ever visited that site?
I have read Atlas Shrugged, We the Living, and the Fountainhead and am currently dipping into a large book of her collected writings. For the moment I have misplaced it, or I would give you the exact title. I have not gone to her site, but my cousin used to sponsor Brandons Objectivist lecture series.
I’m not talking about the book “Atlas Shrugged.”
I’m talking about Pamela Geller’s site, Atlas Shrugs. I’m sorry that I said the site is called “Atlas Shrugged.” I’m sure that was confusing to you.
Follow this site for a few weeks. You will learn alot.
BTW, the author is Ayn Rand, and if you’ve read all of her works, my hat is off to ya’.
Let me address a couple of things as I said I would earlier.
It be done as I go back through our posts.
The “Right of Return” isn’t something I would expect many people to pick up on as a historical anacronism and a cheaply manufactured synthetic copy of an original gripe by the Jews.
The Palestinians are in foreign territory and Cain called it correctly as a good many Christians would on Biblical history, God’s command and moral grounds.
Now, I understand he didn’t fully understand the question but he still got the right. Not essentially or just about but, he got it exactly right.
If Palestinians want to return to Fantasy Island (Palestine) they are going to do so in a modern reality and the Israelis couldn’t care less.
They will not, however, be permitted to return to the bastardized region of Judea known as Israel, except that Israel gives up certain inches of ground for a negotiated settlement of demarcation of the two states, absolute peace and “Full Recognition of the Jewish State of Israel” with it’s sovereignty fully acknowledged, sacrosanct and at all times a peaceful neighbor.
This same neighbor wishes to help the once homeless Arab develop a fully functioning and democratic society that recognizes the right of the individual and is a partner in military and economic priorities.
Actually, I feel comfortable without going through all our posts that should sufficiently answer our questions of our current positions.
If it doesn’t, feel free to ping me and I will engage you without making it personal.
It just a matter of delivering information sometimes that the other party didn’t possess.