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The Fifty State SolutionA drastic proposal to save the Obama presidency
humanevents ^ | 5/23/11 | j. hayward

Posted on 05/23/2011 9:48:30 AM PDT by bestintxas

I’ve been thinking a lot about the controversial speech President Obama delivered at the State Department on Thursday. His call for Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders, and divide itself into North and South Israel so the Palestinians can have a “contiguous” state, has been grabbing all the headlines. The rest of the speech was widely dismissed as a mixture of stale bromides and meaningless platitudes, but studying this foreign policy address has given me an idea for saving America from its economic hardship, and salvaging the remainder of the Obama presidency.

Everyone is buzzing about the “two-state solution” for Israel and Palestine. We should start talking about a “fifty-state solution” instead. My plan for renewed American prosperity can be summed up by one word: secession.

Don’t worry, I’m not talking about some ugly re-run of the Civil War, or carving out a few heartland states in a crazy scheme to build a libertarian utopia. I think all fifty states should secede, leaving only the District of Columbia behind.

Once the rest of us have seceded, we can expect Barack Obama to begin treating us the way he addressed the Middle East last week… and it’s an almost complete reversal of his domestic policies to date.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: secede
why not?
1 posted on 05/23/2011 9:48:38 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Seven states have already scored a waiver?


2 posted on 05/23/2011 9:51:13 AM PDT by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: bestintxas

A fifty state solution would be the answer. We could withdraw to the lines before the civil war and start over.


3 posted on 05/23/2011 9:52:14 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: screaminsunshine
Hmmm ... I like it;

IF 50 SECEDE
THE 50 ARE FREED

let zero HAVE d.c. !


printed out and taped to my rear window

4 posted on 05/23/2011 9:58:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: screaminsunshine

No Texas?


5 posted on 05/23/2011 9:58:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bestintxas

Cut~n~run is never a winning choice.


6 posted on 05/23/2011 10:01:41 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: bestintxas

I like it! The new states with the lowest taxes will attract more people. The high-tax states will have to lower their taxes to keep from becoming prairies


7 posted on 05/23/2011 10:09:45 AM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: Amagi
...46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56......


8 posted on 05/23/2011 10:11:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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To: Iron Munro

You are HERE!


9 posted on 05/23/2011 10:23:35 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: bestintxas

We don’t need 50 states to decide to leave the District of Columbia alone to manage by itself, we only need 38 States to call a Constitutional convention with the sole purpose of suspending the District’s authority over any State that demands it.

see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

This raises the question of how to allocate the debts of the United States of America. As the Federal Reserve Corporation “expands its balance sheet”, by purchasing the new issues of US Treasury debt instruments, and since the FRC is owned solely by the member financial institutions in proportion to their capital, then our national debt is increasingly owned by the banks on whose behalf the money is being printed.

It is clear to me that the reason we are in the present political, financial and monetary mess is that allowing government to create money out of thin air, either by printing through the FRC, selling perpetual debt itself, or by open ended expansion of credit via Special Purpose Vehicles such as Fannie and Freddie has enabled politicians of both parties to think they can spend without consequence. The deficit of this spending has placed citizens now living and all their future offspring, indeed every US Person who ever lives, in debt servitude.

So, any move to severely restructure the relationship between the government that occupies the District of Columbia and the several States must forever preclude the new federal government from controlling the money. Money itself must be returned to the control of private citizens.

We are beginning to understand why government workers cannot be permitted to unionize. It is not because anyone wants to suppress those workers. It is because the elected politician cannot serve as an honest counterparty to wage negotiations. He has an inherent conflict of interest that cannot be ignored. We see this in the (mainly Democrat) scheme of funding public schools, and where teacher union dues are funneled back into the campaign donations of politicians who voted for the high teacher compensation packages.

Likewise, we now see that politicians must never be allowed to put future generations in never ending debt to pay for this year’s campaign promises being delivered. Pols who vote for federal government appropriations that get recycled back into campaign contributions should be impeached for ethics violations. The fact that this crime against our children is so widespread is the reason it is ignored.

But as to fixing the relationship between Washington and the States, we only need to have the courage to call a Constitutional Convention and we can have any remedy that those states who want to participate in will ratify.

I know lots of people are afraid what could come out of a Convention, but any result would have to be ratified by the States, and certainly the Federal Leviathan will continue to grow, consume and coerce until we stop it. The day will soon come when we are more afraid of the Leviathan than of a Convention.


10 posted on 05/23/2011 10:56:54 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: bestintxas
save the Obama presidency

Why would anyone want to?

11 posted on 05/23/2011 11:16:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: bestintxas
I would rather fix and preserve the union than break it.
12 posted on 05/23/2011 11:28:15 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
I would rather fix and preserve the union than break it. It's terminal. It can be preserved. For instance: what's your plan for paying off the debt and meeting the unfunded mandates.

There isn't one that is possible, so we must default. Once that happens the legitimacy of FedGov will be about equal to the Soviet Union circa 1986.

13 posted on 05/23/2011 12:19:28 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: bestintxas
This isn't a serious article on the theme.

It's a snarky little exercise in bashing Obama. I'm all for Obama bashing in whatever form it takes, but the topic of secession is an important one that deserves actual discussion, not just a rhetorical hill to stand on to make debating points.

I think there is an excellent case to be made for secession as both needed and inevitable, and probably the only way we can recover our liberty.

COUNTDOWN: 7 months until you won't be able to buy a normal lightbulb in America. The GOP has done exactly ZERO to fix this. It's a small but telling indicator, sort of like a dead canary on the bottom of his cage in a coalmine. Only, Free Americans are the canary.

14 posted on 05/23/2011 12:36:05 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: bestintxas
"I think all fifty states should secede, leaving only the District of Columbia behind. "

.....And the rest of the 57 states.

15 posted on 05/23/2011 12:46:57 PM PDT by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: Jack Black
Terminal? That's all melodramatic and stuff but it's hardly true.

In the grand scheme of things paying off the debt isn't all that difficult assuming we can stuff creating debt. When we cancel unfunded mandates it woudn't be defaulting. That ignores the gorilla in the room of course that legitimacy of our union is not based on our ability to pay off our debt or fund pie-in-the-sky mandates. It's our ability to defeat anyone that comes to collect.

16 posted on 05/23/2011 1:24:27 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Iron Munro

LOL.


17 posted on 05/23/2011 5:33:00 PM PDT by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: Durus
When we cancel unfunded mandates it woudn't be defaulting.

Really? You and I have a different definition of default. I'm 53. I've been contributing to Social Security "retirement insurance" since I was 16. For the last 15 years I've gotten letters from the SS administration telling me my "estimated retirement" at age 62.5, 66.5 and 71. If, in order to balance the budget FedGov renigs on that it sure will be a DEFAULT to me. What would you call it?

You say the debt would be easy to pay off, how? To pay off the first dollar we'd need to raise an additional $1.4 TRILLION in revenue (taxes) or else cut $1.4 TRILLION in spending- THIS YEAR. The 'brave' plan of Paul Ryan doesn't do that. It doesn't do 1/2 of that. It doesn't anticipate balancing the budget for 15 years. When Ryan will be out of the House.

It doesn't look easy to pay off, it looks impossible to pay off. There is NO candidate for President (except perhaps Ron Paul?) who has the guts to suggest we actually balance our budget next year or the year after.

We are addicated to debt and massive overspending as the worst junkie is to heroin. Like a junkie we might be saved if there is an intervention before we OD and die, but we don't have any close family members willing to do it, so we're headed for the OD. Maybe the ambulance and emergency room procedures will keep us alive and scare us silly and we'll make it. Or maybe the last shot will be too big for our heart and we'll expire.

There is no easy way out.

18 posted on 05/23/2011 10:17:05 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black
Social Security needs to be abolished. It was a unsustainable ponzi scheme from it's inception. Do we just scrap it and tell people that have had income deducted their whole lives that they are screwed? No, of course not. We do need to phase it out in the most equitable manner possible.

I say the debt would be easy to pay off if the government weren't spending money like drunken sailors. How much money do we give to the IMF, the UN, NATO, foreign aid, and foreign aid hidden as military aid? How much does the Federal Government funnel to the liberal indoctrination centers euphemistically called our "education" system? How much do we spend on the Homeland Security Agency, the FDA, and the EPA? How many grants are given to liberal group in the name of Urban Renewal? How much did we throw away on multiple bailouts? How much is thrown away on government funded mortgage companies that are rife with corruption? Speaking of corruption how many billions do you think are wasted on government run construction projects?

These are all things that can be fixed, and if they were fixed paying the national debt off would be easy. Is getting to that point easy? Ironically we don't have a choice. We can do it now or we will be forced to do it later.

19 posted on 05/24/2011 6:04:41 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Jack Black
Social Security needs to be abolished. It was a unsustainable ponzi scheme from it's inception. Do we just scrap it and tell people that have had income deducted their whole lives that they are screwed? No, of course not. We do need to phase it out in the most equitable manner possible.

I say the debt would be easy to pay off if the government weren't spending money like drunken sailors. How much money do we give to the IMF, the UN, NATO, foreign aid, and foreign aid hidden as military aid? How much does the Federal Government funnel to the liberal indoctrination centers euphemistically called our "education" system? How much do we spend on the Homeland Security Agency, the FDA, and the EPA? How many grants are given to liberal group in the name of Urban Renewal? How much did we throw away on multiple bailouts? How much is thrown away on government funded mortgage companies that are rife with corruption? Speaking of corruption how many billions do you think are wasted on government run construction projects?

These are all things that can be fixed, and if they were fixed paying the national debt off would be easy. Is getting to that point easy? Ironically we don't have a choice. We can do it now or we will be forced to do it later.

20 posted on 05/24/2011 6:06:38 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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