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Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 23, 2011 | by David G. Savage (Washington Bureau)

Posted on 05/23/2011 10:10:18 AM PDT by library user

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ordered California on Monday to release tens of thousands of its prisoners to relieve overcrowding, saying that "needless suffering and death" had resulted from putting too many inmates into facilities that cannot hold them in decent conditions.

It is one of the largest prison release orders in the nation's history, and it sharply split the high court.

Justices upheld an order from a three-judge panel in California that called for releasing 38,000 to 46,000 prisoners. Since then, the state has transferred about 9,000 state inmates to county jails. As a result, the total prison population is now about 32,000 more than the capacity limit set by the panel.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, speaking for the majority, said California's prisons had "fallen short of minimum constitutional requirements" because of overcrowding. As many as 200 prisoners may live in gymnasium, he said, and as many as 54 prisoners share a single toilet.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; criminals; felons; inmates; obama2012; obamavoters; violentoffenders
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Justices upheld an order from a three-judge panel in California that called for releasing 38,000 to 46,000 prisoners

More 0bama voters.

1 posted on 05/23/2011 10:10:23 AM PDT by library user
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To: library user

Maybe less laws would help.


2 posted on 05/23/2011 10:13:00 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: library user

I’ll cross my fingers that what happens in California, stays in California.


3 posted on 05/23/2011 10:13:07 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism starts to falter)
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To: library user

?

Government could spend to create jobs building new jails so the prison guard union could add more members and conservatives would be happy to see criminals serve out their sentences.

Seems to me that both sides would get something out of it but I guess it is a California thing.


4 posted on 05/23/2011 10:13:14 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: library user

Wondering how they will prioritize the list for release.


5 posted on 05/23/2011 10:13:33 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Dopers.
Then non violent second offenders.

I hope, anyway.


6 posted on 05/23/2011 10:15:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: library user
needless suffering and death" had resulted from putting too many inmates into facilities that cannot hold them in decent conditions.

Needless suffering and death will be the result of this decision! And it won't be the death of the inmates either - it'll be innocents who pay the price. Idiotic. Completely idiotic.

7 posted on 05/23/2011 10:15:08 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The more the plans fail the more the planners plan - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rockinqsranch
Wondering how they will prioritize the list for release.

By skin color. The lighter skinned you are, the longer you wait.

Don't need to wait for the pic, I've added it below myself.


8 posted on 05/23/2011 10:15:30 AM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Probably they'll get rid of the real trouble-makers first. you know, ax murderers, rapists...those kinds of people.
9 posted on 05/23/2011 10:15:57 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: library user

Okay, who’s gonna watch these people?....................


10 posted on 05/23/2011 10:16:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven............)
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To: library user

This seems like a pretty awful decision. Still California has had over crowding problems for quite some time now. Sounds like they are going to have to bite the bullet and build more prisons. They’ll just have to cut some of their wasteful social programs to actually keep people locked up.


11 posted on 05/23/2011 10:18:18 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: library user

“........saying that “needless suffering and death....”

So then, it is the opinion of the high court that the “needless suffering and death” should be moved into our neighborhoods.

Such a release in absolutely insane.


12 posted on 05/23/2011 10:18:48 AM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: library user
Do you suppose this will have any impact on gun sales in California over the next few weeks? Ammunition? Up or down? Hmmm. Let me think....
13 posted on 05/23/2011 10:19:11 AM PDT by mad puppy (Obama Care is a 'Giffen Good'.)
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To: library user
As a point of fact, almost 50 percent of the prison population is Black, but they constitute only 13 percent of the general population. Libs often use this as evidence that we are a racist society. I guess it's impossible that Blacks commit relatively more crimes than non-Blacks.
14 posted on 05/23/2011 10:19:53 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: library user

LMAO!!
They’ll be returning to the same Ubama-voting neighborhoods they came from.
Good luck to those people.


15 posted on 05/23/2011 10:20:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: library user

“as many as 54 prisoners share a single toilet.”

I do not see prisoner release as a solution but this is not reasonable.

The state can install a few hundred toilets. They don’t have to be deluxe.


16 posted on 05/23/2011 10:26:58 AM PDT by Persevero (Can not wait for 2012)
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To: library user

How many of those in the California prison system are illegals? I propose they start by deporting ALL of them FIRST. That should cut the number down considerably!


17 posted on 05/23/2011 10:27:22 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: Red Badger

“Okay, who’s gonna watch these people?”

Nobody, but the system will pretend they are.


18 posted on 05/23/2011 10:28:22 AM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Freak out much??
OMG a check kiter moved in next to me!!! What next a guy who got caught with a small amount of maryjane!??!!


19 posted on 05/23/2011 10:29:28 AM PDT by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: MNGal
How many of those in the California prison system are illegals? I propose they start by deporting ALL of them FIRST.

Or execute them. they're illegal alien invaders. they can be shot as spies.

For the rest all it takes is a couple tent cities and a semi load of pink underwear. Problem solved.

20 posted on 05/23/2011 10:31:52 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: library user

I bet at least half of them are “undocumented Democrats.”


21 posted on 05/23/2011 10:32:53 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Welcome to the Liberal Twilight Zone of Insanity.


22 posted on 05/23/2011 10:37:44 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: All; econjack
The demographics are slightly different in CA:


23 posted on 05/23/2011 10:41:13 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Cain hadn't heard of a Palestinian Right of Return? THIS is presidential material?)
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To: library user
Elections DO have consequences. Presidents choose who they want on the Supreme Court & their decisions affect all of us for the rest of our lives. With unemployment at a staggering rate & more people on welfare - the chances of felons finding productive ways of supporting themselves is going to cause a crime wave like we've never seen, if this ruling is not appealed.

This will set a precident for the ACLU to latch on to other states to make sure that they obey the law & release their inmates. Might be tempting to a lot of states that are in deep budget trouble & maybe make a difference in putting the death row ones on a fast track.

24 posted on 05/23/2011 10:41:13 AM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: All; MNGal
How many of those in the California prison system are illegals?

It was 102,795 in 2009.

That's right, the number of criminal aliens in CA prisons is more than twice what the court wants released.

25 posted on 05/23/2011 10:44:41 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Cain hadn't heard of a Palestinian Right of Return? THIS is presidential material?)
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To: forgotten man

The Democrats have found another way of recruiting tens of thousands more voters for their candidates in subsequent elections.


26 posted on 05/23/2011 10:48:15 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: newzjunkey

“That’s right, the number of criminal aliens in CA prisons is more than twice what the court wants released.”

Start with the illegal aliens, then. Get rid of the worst of the worst. The only problem I can see with this is managing to KEEP them out since it appears that our federal government is completely unwilling to close our borders.


27 posted on 05/23/2011 10:50:20 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: library user

I would anticipate the local county and city governments to immediately sue the Department of Corrections to prevent en masse releases. These felons would have a devastating effect on their surrounding communities. Don’t we law abiding citizens have basic rights that this order will decimate? Can we ship these vermin to areas where the five majority SCJs reside?


28 posted on 05/23/2011 10:53:38 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: library user

Let me guess. Kagen and Sodajerk voted for the release.

Right?? Right??


29 posted on 05/23/2011 11:03:34 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: library user

Everything wrong the Calif. is mentioned right here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c';


30 posted on 05/23/2011 11:05:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: mad puppy

Unlike the felons who ignore laws, Kalifornia residents are required to register their guns and ammunition.

That way the cops know to shoot their dogs first, and enter in a “Dymanic” manner when responding to 911 please for help.

I hope we here in Nevada get to bill Kalifornia for the expense of disposing of their felons bodies when we defend ourselves.


31 posted on 05/23/2011 11:26:19 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: library user
California: the state that is too stupid to understand simple solutions that seem obvious in other border states.

The populace pretty much deserves what they get.

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Robert A. Heinlein ~ Time Enough For Love

32 posted on 05/23/2011 11:27:40 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Loyal Sedition

“Dymanic” = ”Dynamic”.


33 posted on 05/23/2011 11:27:46 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: MNGal

Oh come on!

You KNOW that makes too much sense!

Can’t send away all those illicit Oboma/Boxer/Fienstein votes.


34 posted on 05/23/2011 11:30:29 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Persevero
The state can install a few hundred toilets. They don’t have to be deluxe.

Porta-Johns in the prison yard would work...that and a pee can in the cell, and everything's good to go.

What is OVERcrowding, anyway?!?! Until the number of inmates = the number of beds, I'd say that the prisons are underutilized. Simple crowding begins when inmates > beds. Even then, you could sleep 'em in shifts to relieve the crowding.

35 posted on 05/23/2011 12:34:48 PM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: library user
Which is more inhumane, anyway: needless suffering and death of convicted felons, or needless suffering and death of innocent, law abiding citizens at the hands of early-released felons?
36 posted on 05/23/2011 12:38:11 PM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: Persevero

Since when is a limit of 26 minutes on the pot per day “cruel and unusual punishment” or some such?


37 posted on 05/23/2011 12:39:29 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

‘Since when is a limit of 26 minutes on the pot per day “cruel and unusual punishment” or some such?’

I don’t think it’s possible to physically organize the toilet needs of 56 people on one toilet every 24 hours.

Port a potties would be fine, I’m not suggesting anything fancy. However a lack of basic sanitation would be cruel and unusual punishment in my opinion.

I’ve had to live with up to 7 (non criminal) persons using the same toilet. It can be done, unless people are sick. It is difficult.

20 or more would be impossible, seriously.


38 posted on 05/23/2011 12:42:15 PM PDT by Persevero (Can not wait for 2012)
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To: Fredgoblu

Chamberpots used to be the norm in society. ‘nuf said.


39 posted on 05/23/2011 12:42:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Persevero

5 minutes every 5 hours is insufficient? We’re talking prisoners here, not hotel guests. Chamberpots for any pressing needs.

Remember, the alternative is releasing 30,000 prisoners into society pre-rehabilitation / time-served. These are people who can’t even get out on ankle-monitor parole.


40 posted on 05/23/2011 12:47:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: VeniVidiVici

As Leon used to say from the Barber shop in Dallas in regards to the “extreme conditions” foisted on prisoners in Texas: I lived in a tent in Germany for two years and all I said was I do.


41 posted on 05/23/2011 12:48:40 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: ctdonath2

“5 minutes every 5 hours is insufficient? We’re talking prisoners here, not hotel guests. Chamberpots for any pressing needs.

Remember, the alternative is releasing 30,000 prisoners into society pre-rehabilitation / time-served. These are people who can’t even get out on ankle-monitor parole.”

You can’t schedule your toileting so precisely. You can schedule meal times precisely. But not toilet needs so to the minute.

I’d rather have the mess than the early release. But I am advocating some porta potties here, I think that is more in line with constitutional guidelines.


42 posted on 05/23/2011 12:49:24 PM PDT by Persevero (Can not wait for 2012)
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To: Longbow1969

How about step one...deport the illegals.


43 posted on 05/23/2011 12:50:43 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: ctdonath2

I’d agree with the chamber pots, too, as long as they get emptied reasonably.

I think the Supremes should order prison building or porta pottie installations rather than ordering prisoner release.


44 posted on 05/23/2011 12:50:51 PM PDT by Persevero (Can not wait for 2012)
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To: library user

Can the FEDS come and take all the prisoners in CA that are not legally in this country OUT of this country?? As well as all of their amigos who have NOT been jailed but are EQUALLY illegal????? It would solve 99.9% of California’s problems.


45 posted on 05/23/2011 12:52:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: EBH
How about step one...deport the illegals.

Yup, that's certainly an obvious first step. California is more likely to coddle its illegal criminals than deport them though.

46 posted on 05/23/2011 12:58:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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"The 5-4 decision represents one of the largest prison release orders in U.S. history. The court majority says overcrowding has caused 'suffering and death.' In a sharp dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia warns 'terrible things are sure to happen.'

LINK

47 posted on 05/23/2011 2:13:17 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: ctdonath2
"Chamberpots used to be the norm in society. ‘nuf said."

That won't work. They'll be throwing it at the guards like they do at Gitmo!!

48 posted on 05/23/2011 3:17:49 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: library user

Lets release them near the homes of the 5 Justices that were for it.


49 posted on 05/23/2011 3:59:28 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: library user

Lets release them near the homes of the 5 Justices that were for it.


50 posted on 05/23/2011 3:59:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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