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Apache helicopters to be sent into Libya by Britain
The Guardian ^ | Monday 23 May 2011 | Richard Norton-Taylor

Posted on 05/23/2011 5:14:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The UK is to send helicopters to Libya following similar announcements by France.

Britain and France are to deploy attack helicopters against Libya in an attempt to break the military stalemate, particularly in the important coastal city of Misrata, security sources have told the Guardian.

In a significant escalation of the conflict, the Apaches – based on HMS Ocean – will join French helicopters in risky operations which reflect deepening frustration among British and French defence chiefs about their continuing inability to protect civilians.

Apaches, which are being used in counter insurgency operations in Afghanistan, can manoeuvre and attack small targets in relatively built-up areas. Heavily-armed Apaches and French Tiger helicopters are equipped with night vision equipment and electronic guidance systems.

Gaddafi forces have shed their uniforms, are using civilian vehicles and hiding armour near civilian buildings, including hospitals and schools.

The decision to deploy the helicopters is a clear recognition that high-level bombing from 15,000 feet cannot protect civilians who continue to be attacked by rocket and mortar shells. It brings the Nato offensive much closer to the ground at a time when Britain and other Nato countries are insisting they have no intention of sending in troops.

However, the helicopters could be vulnerable to hand-held rocket propelled grenades and even rifle fire.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 0bamasquagmire; afghanistan4russkies; blackhawkdown; falklands2; gaddafi; libya; missioncreep; mogadishu; noflyzone; obamaswar; quagmire40bama; regimechange; rpg; shoulderfire; somalia2; stingerbait; uk; urbanwarware

1 posted on 05/23/2011 5:14:14 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

From where will these helicopters come?


2 posted on 05/23/2011 5:19:15 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
It is not about their inability to protect anything, they are doing a damn fine job of killing people, it is about the ability of the ragtags, that cannot move off of the four acres of ground they control. But daffy does have shoulder fire missiles, this should be interesting.
3 posted on 05/23/2011 5:19:38 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: MinorityRepublican

Must be those new “non-kinetic” helos.


4 posted on 05/23/2011 5:21:12 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Lurker
From where will these helicopters come?

Sarc?

The United States isn't the only country in the world that flies the AH-64.

5 posted on 05/23/2011 5:27:35 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is going really well.


6 posted on 05/23/2011 5:30:32 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Going into a war halfway is like going into a whorehouse with no protection and no cash.


7 posted on 05/23/2011 5:38:39 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: MinorityRepublican
Prince Harry flies Apaches for the British Army.

Harry is Apache warrior


8 posted on 05/23/2011 5:52:32 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: All

We absolutely should be out of this. It’s a Libyan civil war, maybe even a revolutionary war.


9 posted on 05/23/2011 5:53:31 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why hasn't Palin announced?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
However, the helicopters could be vulnerable to hand-held rocket propelled grenades and even rifle fire.

A couple cross-firing Dragunov's and/or 12.7mm heavy machine guns on the backs of pick-ups (rebel or Ghadafi?) could spell disaster for these lethal but lightly armored gunships.

10 posted on 05/23/2011 5:55:57 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SkyPilot

No way they’re sending the Prince to Libya. Harry’s a national treasure. By the way, he looks different now.


11 posted on 05/23/2011 6:00:30 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

this is so bizarro world... i am having a hard time understanding this...
the Guardian, and the liberal media. that condemned Bush for his “blood for oil” war, support this ?!?

the “rebels” have confirmed ties to Al-Queda. the same people we are bombing in Afghanistan, and we are helping them in Libya?
We are KILLING large numbers of Libyans, who aren’t our enemy... ...because of “reported” civilian deaths, with less evidence than Al-Dura’s death.

so the UN authorized a no fly zone, to protect civilians from airplanes. Then NATO proceeds to conduct major operations, having nothing to do with a “no fly” zone, and resulting in the killing of MANY Libyans, including CHILDREN (confirmed, not imaginary), sinking the Libyan navy, etc. ...NATO has arguably killed more civilians than Quaddafi, even if the reports from the “rebels” are true!

How is what Quadaffi was doing, any different than NATO member Turkey killing Kurdish civilians, bombing women and children in their villages?
and how is what Quadaffi was doing, any different than what we are doing with unmanned drone strikes in Warizastan ?
(Not to mention, that Quadaffi was one of the only Muslim leaders, who was actually helping us against terrorists... revealing to us the very terrorists who we are now helping in eastern Libya...)

Just as Obama met with the Muslim Brotherhood in advance, months before Mubarak was forced out. ...and the result? the attacks against Coptic Christians are worse!
(which Obama not only doesn’t condemn, he rewards them, with a billion dollars!)
and now Obama justifies Palestinian demands, making a full blown middle east war more likely. If he was deliberately trying to destabilize the world, what would he do different?
Am i understanding this correctly? If so, i wish this was just a nightmare, not reality...


12 posted on 05/23/2011 6:09:48 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Soooo when all is said and done, who is paying to rebuild the place?
13 posted on 05/23/2011 6:24:22 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: ladyvet

Hold on to your wallets!


14 posted on 05/23/2011 6:30:20 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Del Rapier
Black Hawk Down Redux.

followed by mucho boots on the ground.

0bambi's battle song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q

15 posted on 05/23/2011 7:01:37 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: Elendur

We’re not fighting Eastasia anymore, we’re fighting Eurasia.


16 posted on 05/23/2011 7:02:11 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Better hope the Libyans don’t have 3 anti-ship missiles .....


17 posted on 05/23/2011 7:10:25 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: culpeper

We have always been at war with Eurasia.


18 posted on 05/23/2011 7:10:34 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

I must have missed the five minute hate.


19 posted on 05/23/2011 7:14:24 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Brits are sending in additional SAS and possibly artillery and tanks to assist the Libyan rebels. There is talk that the US may send in ground forces in July if this does not resolve itself by then.


20 posted on 05/23/2011 7:22:15 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: MinorityRepublican

..all part of that ongoing kinetic humanitarian mission, huh? =.=


21 posted on 05/23/2011 7:26:00 PM PDT by cranked
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To: MinorityRepublican

One word: TROPOJA.

How many AH64 will crash this time on a `training` mission ?


22 posted on 05/23/2011 7:34:42 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks MinorityRepublican.
Britain and France are to deploy attack helicopters against Libya in an attempt to break the military stalemate
Gaddafy just has to outlast the will of the voters of the UK and France. Rising body counts and/or spiraling costs will weaken it, or rather strengthen it in the other direction.


23 posted on 05/23/2011 7:42:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: culpeper

24 posted on 05/23/2011 7:50:16 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

...and when the first one is shot down and the crew taken captive, what then?

Checked the Apache catalog, couldn’t find the “civilian protection” model.


25 posted on 05/23/2011 8:03:22 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Elendur
the Guardian, and the liberal media. that condemned Bush for his “blood for oil” war, support this ?!?

They will support anything they claim to oppose if its their side doing it

26 posted on 05/23/2011 8:23:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Elendur
the Guardian, and the liberal media. that condemned Bush for his “blood for oil” war, support this ?!?

A lot of people in Britain hate Gadaffi with a passion. Whether it's Lockerbie or Gadaffi helping supply Irish terrorists with weapons, they definitely do not like him. It's bizarre to outsiders, but we've never had Libya providing weapons to terrorists within America, so it's hard for a lot of us to understand.
27 posted on 05/23/2011 8:29:17 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Yo-Yo
Sarc?

Not at all. Check the range on those machines.

28 posted on 05/23/2011 8:29:23 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SkyPilot
Daffy only has to put a reward of $10m on Prince Harry's head and Libyan forces and armed civilians will be eager to shoot any chopper they see or hear.

"Shoot down a Crusader prince and get $10M".

Better than any arcade game.

Prince Harry need not fly Libyan skies at all after that.

Last time AH-64 were brought to battle they ended up miserably.

It is an insult to great nation of Apache to call this flying POS by their name.

29 posted on 05/23/2011 9:35:00 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: DTA
Google "Highway of Death Iraq"
And the terrain is vastly different from North Albania

30 posted on 05/23/2011 11:05:11 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: Thunder90
The Brits are sending in additional SAS and possibly artillery and tanks to assist the Libyan rebels. There is talk that the US may send in ground forces in July if this does not resolve itself by then.

Britain has little depth any more, as this goes on and on we're going to be dragged into it more and more. Why ?

I thought Bosnia was crazy (why couldn't EU do it), this is insane, it's not our fight, let the EU sort it out, it's in their backyard and they're more desperate for Libyan oil than us. Interesting, a Clinton pushed for both.

31 posted on 05/23/2011 11:29:14 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Lurker

[From where will these helicopters come?]

NATO would probably set up a base at an airport or airstrip in the rebel zone and fly the equipment and personnel in or they could operate from ships. These helicopters are going to be more vulnerable to ground fire than the jets.


32 posted on 05/23/2011 11:40:51 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SkyPilot

Impressive how quickly that whole “protecting civilians” schtick turned into “breaking the military stalemate”.

Of course, almost anything could be said to somehow “protect civilians” in some way, so carry on...


33 posted on 05/24/2011 12:54:49 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: Lurker

It says in the article. HMS Ocean. An LPH operating off the coast.


34 posted on 05/24/2011 1:22:00 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: newzjunkey

We should all be absolutely out, or all absolutely in. I agree with the previous poster - halfway house war is a serious mistake.


35 posted on 05/24/2011 1:26:07 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: 1066AD; All

“Britain has little depth any more.” Europe has been counting on us to be their military for years. We have 35,000 in Germany if I remember correctly. That’s why they have been able to build up their welfare entitlements. Time to draw down our European troops and let them pay for their own military.


36 posted on 05/24/2011 1:58:05 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Elendur

Libya sends a lot of oil to Europe, so it is ok to fight a war for their oil. Just not the stuff we use.

Note, no sarcasm tag.


37 posted on 05/24/2011 5:32:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Elendur

It is crazy!!! All the murdering tyrants in this world and NATO responds within a few weeks to Libya on a threat.


38 posted on 05/24/2011 5:58:35 AM PDT by panthermom (Pray for my son in Aghanistan and all the troops!)
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To: panthermom

Starting the “Arab Union” is a little messy. Obama of Arabia.


39 posted on 05/24/2011 6:12:28 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Lurker
Not at all. Check the range on those machines.

Ah, "where will these helicopters be based?" Form the fine article:

"In a significant escalation of the conflict, the Apaches – based on HMS Ocean – will join French helicopters in risky operations which reflect deepening frustration among British and French defence chiefs about their continuing inability to protect civilians in Libya."

40 posted on 05/24/2011 6:24:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: gleeaikin
Europe has been counting on us to be their military for years.

Training Europe to fend for itself failed twice before. A terrible fact.
Now zer0 has everyone headed toward .....
well I think everyone with a brain can figure this plan of zer0's out.

41 posted on 05/24/2011 6:38:53 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: gleeaikin

Europe, not Britain.

We have punched above our weight.


42 posted on 05/24/2011 8:51:59 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

Let’s see if Britain remains “great” in a decade or two from now.


43 posted on 05/24/2011 1:19:31 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: newzjunkey

WHY IS THE GOP NOT DEMANDING A VOTE TO DEFUND THIS AND WHY ARE THEY NOT SAYING MUCH ABOUT HOW OBAMA SENT A LETTER SAYING HE DOES NOT NEED THEIR VOTE?

GET A GRIP GOP AS THE SOROS PAID OFF MEDIA WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING


44 posted on 05/24/2011 2:00:07 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: Elendur

well said but you forgot to mention that obama sent a letter to congress saying he does not need congress to vote on this as we are there in a limited role.

HUH, Where does it state limited role does not need congressional votes after 60 days?
Why is the GOP not screaming about this letter and congress being put out ?
Why is the GOP not demanding a vote and then defund this?
Why is the GOP not taking on this George Soros paid off biased media and telling them why they are not covering this?

HOW MANY INNOCENT POEPLE HAVE WE KILLED THUS FAR?

well we don’t know as this media is ignoring this due to the fact they are cheerleading this war, an illegal war I might add

Bush goes to congress and gets their votes, =Biased media say illegal war
Obama goes to Rio with MIL, wife and kids, goes to war and the biased media say nothing but cheerlead


45 posted on 05/24/2011 2:07:55 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

Yo, MANC,

I know this sounds idiotic, but . . . What if our commander-in-chief had decided to unleash our military against Israel? Or Greece? Or any country of his arbitrary choice? What’s the difference?

Some would say he doesn’t have the authority. But as you point out, he certainly doesn’t have the authority to send our planes, drones and military into Libya for Qadafi.

Or for that matter, to arbitrarily award 2 billion dollars to Egypt, which will probably be spent by Muslim Brotherhood terrorists.

Our RINOs in Congress need to exercise their sworn duty and provide checks and balances. We must stop Obama.

IMPEACH!!


46 posted on 05/24/2011 2:51:18 PM PDT by Hennible Cobb (Don't wait for orders! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Hennible Cobb

agree on all points
they were elected to stand up to this radical admin and they are not for the most part.

They need to be out there and demanding that they vote and that they defund this plus take on this media and their bias.

I am sick as hell as to how the US media are working, it is an outrage


47 posted on 05/24/2011 3:52:47 PM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: manc

“I am sick as hell as to how the US media are working, it is an outrage”

Yeah something tells me that if Bush did this it’s all we’d be hearing about on the news. If the unemployment rate were 10 percent it’s all be hearing about if Bush were in office. Hell if the unemployment rate shot up to almost 25 percent while Bush was in office (like it has now with Obama) the media and entertainers would be saying how much Bush “hates black people”. It is sickening how the media in this country is behaving.


48 posted on 05/25/2011 9:52:29 PM PDT by YoungBlackRepublican
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To: YoungBlackRepublican

agree on all counts.

The biggest enemy IMHO is the media, they have been awful in their bias, just this trip alone he has made so many gaffs and yet nothing hardly.

I’m sick and tired of it and we know we have a problem when most people we talk to have never heard of what is going on.

hell most still have no clue who Wright or Ayers are still and it has been over 2 years.


49 posted on 05/26/2011 6:42:50 AM PDT by manc (Hannity is a fraud , he admitted he's socially liberal on his show, he's took us for suckers)
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To: Thunder90
There is talk that the US may send in ground forces in July if this does not resolve itself by then.

Where have you heard/ read this?

50 posted on 05/26/2011 7:43:25 AM PDT by Lysandru
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