Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Defense Chief Warns on Military Pay
Wall Street Journal ^ | 05/25/2011 | JULIAN E. BARNES And NATHAN HODGE

Posted on 05/25/2011 4:39:17 AM PDT by AnyStreetFL

The coming round of Pentagon budget cuts will force lawmakers to consider reducing military pay and benefits, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday, raising an issue that could prove politically sensitive in a time of war,

In what was billed as Mr. Gates's last major policy speech, the outgoing Pentagon chief said the government would have to "re-examine military compensation," consider altering the retirement system to bring down costs, and address spiraling health-care costs.

Trimming Pentagon spending, Mr. Gates said, "will entail going places that have been avoided by politicians in the past."

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates says a steep decline in military spending may force the Pentagon to abandon some missions, minimize the armed forces and possibly limit America's role in the world.

Military pay has risen steadily in recent years, as lawmakers have sought to reward troops for repeated, long deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Health-care costs have also ballooned, expanding to $50 billion a year from $19 billion a decade ago.

Mr. Gates's previous efforts to trim compensation costs failed. The defense secretary, who has served in the administrations of both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, tried to raise health-care premiums or co-pays for military retirees, but lawmakers were loath to raise expenses for military families during wartime.

But growing pressure on lawmakers in recent years to deliver big reductions in the federal deficit have persuaded defense planners that Congress may be willing to take a new look at military compensation.




(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: gates; military
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last
Et tu, Gates?
1 posted on 05/25/2011 4:39:18 AM PDT by AnyStreetFL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: seekthetruth; trooprally; HonestConservative

Sleaze ball government after military pay ping!


2 posted on 05/25/2011 4:40:07 AM PDT by AnyStreetFL (www.AnyStreet.org - Conservative Community Organizing, ACORN without the evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
Thank you for your service.


3 posted on 05/25/2011 4:41:40 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Easy fix, Republicans just say NO


4 posted on 05/25/2011 4:41:46 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

If Congress decides to cut military pay and benefits will they cut their own?
If President 0bama signs off on it will he accept cuts in his pay and allowances?


5 posted on 05/25/2011 4:45:20 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

There is one and ONLY 1 thing the Federal Gov’t is supposed to do:

Provide for the common defense.

All else can be done away with.

EPA: Gone
Funding for NPR: Gone
HHS: gone
the list goes on........


6 posted on 05/25/2011 4:47:59 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Maybe we should get millions off the freaking dole first.

How many of you get a “raise” just because you choose to have another child?

Those on welfare do.

The first step: no more money no matter how many more kids. Make ends meet, the rest of us have to.

Also: Don’t allow immigrants to immediately qualify for welfare. If you come here and can’t make it, you are welcome to go on home.

Eventually phase it out all together. Let the “needy” go to churches and private charities.


7 posted on 05/25/2011 4:53:26 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
Cutting pay and benefits for the troops makes ZERO sense. They give more to this country than any other citizens and receive less for their service.
8 posted on 05/25/2011 4:57:02 AM PDT by montanajoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

No military pay cuts until the sleazeballs in congress and the white house have their pay cut!


9 posted on 05/25/2011 5:03:36 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
DOD civilians make much more money and have far better healthcare benefits than uniformed members.

How about cutting them before hurting the trigger-pullers?

10 posted on 05/25/2011 5:09:52 AM PDT by Makana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

The coming round of Pentagon budget cuts will force lawmakers to consider reducing military pay and benefits, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday

OK. Start with YOUR salary Gates, then move on to the General Staff etc. I’ll bet millions can be cut before a real soldier ever loses a cent.........


11 posted on 05/25/2011 5:11:29 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL; stevie_d_64; af_vet_rr; Allegra; Kaslin
(Art.) But growing pressure on lawmakers in recent years to deliver big reductions in the federal deficit have persuaded defense planners that Congress may be willing to take a new look at military compensation.

One word: Obamacare.

This is the payoff of every socialist scheme since 1920: weaken the governments and military establishments of the Main Enemy capitalist West.

This is the Cloward-Pivening of the DoD.

12 posted on 05/25/2011 5:17:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Clearly room for pay cuts at the top grafes both officer and enlisted!

In the case of enlisted, the E8/E9 (supersgts) was a farce from the gitgo, i.e. 1960...

The original pre-1960 7 enlisted pay grades was good; if just a question of more pay an increase could have been effected t/o the enlisted ranks, especially those who do the work—privates, corporals, and buck sergeants!!!!!

Semper Fidelis
Gunny G
aka: Dick Gaines
1952...1972
*****


13 posted on 05/25/2011 5:18:32 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

In times like these, even sacred cows are gonna have to be cut. As nasty as that sounds, it’s a must.


14 posted on 05/25/2011 5:21:53 AM PDT by Tolsti2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: The Sons of Liberty

Hear, hear


15 posted on 05/25/2011 5:22:17 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Billions of stimulis pork doled out to keep union jobs and pensions paid for off the backs of taxpayers.

But....we are supposed to cut the military pay and benefits.

The country is a total disaster.


16 posted on 05/25/2011 5:26:18 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolsti2
In times like these, even sacred cows are gonna have to be cut. As nasty as that sounds, it’s a must.

Works with me. We'll bring these guys home and sending you there instead, face combat with the dismal pay they're getting now.
17 posted on 05/25/2011 5:27:41 AM PDT by AnyStreetFL (www.AnyStreet.org - Conservative Community Organizing, ACORN without the evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
"who has served in the administrations of both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, tried to raise health-care premiums or co-pays for military retirees, but lawmakers were loath to raise expenses for military families during wartime."

Sounds like they're coming after me now. You know what? That's fine. I'll sacrifice some of my earned compensation in the form of health care premiums for the troops. Now, what is Congress, the President, his cabinent, Czars, government workers and welfare scum going to sacrifice? I earned my benefits after over 20 years service Mr. Gates. What are you going to sacrifice for our currently serving troops?
18 posted on 05/25/2011 5:33:08 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Makana

Oh man, you went after the sacred cow of the DOD lol. There are some good DOD Civs but there is a reason they have the reputation they do.


19 posted on 05/25/2011 5:35:40 AM PDT by chargers fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Now, what is Congress, the President, his cabinent, Czars, government workers and welfare scum going to sacrifice? I earned my benefits after over 20 years service Mr. Gates. What are you going to sacrifice for our currently serving troops? “
************************

THEY’re not going to do zip-point-sh!t! As always...and it will stay thataway as we go the rest of the way down the sh!ttube!

All politicians (those in all walks of life) are scum—this is why the FFs were so harsh on them—their “quotes” are well known (but not enough well known, apparently)anduntil/if we the sheeple take over and rule the scum with an iron fist will things change.


20 posted on 05/25/2011 5:43:44 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: gunnyg

You’re probably right Gunny. They’re going to do zippo. One thing you mentioned previously that other services can probably take a cue from the Marine Corps is that I believe most of the other services are way too top heavy. A way of attracting people to different specialized fields is faster promotion. Overall, the Marine Corps is pretty light at the top, even today. A large majority of Marines still lie in the Sergeant and below category. As it should be. The people that do the work.

From one old Gunny to another, Semper Fi...


21 posted on 05/25/2011 5:49:31 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
I have a friend who has spent 5 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I made more than him as a carpenter.

No one shoots at me, and I never had to be put into a position where killing another person becomes necessary.

It is easy to be shot at, killing a person is not so easy... It damages the spirit. Such situations change ones person, generally not in a positive way.

22 posted on 05/25/2011 5:49:33 AM PDT by mmercier (This is why we hate the enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Tolsti2
n times like these, even sacred cows are gonna have to be cut. As nasty as that sounds, it’s a must.

I always enjoyed watching "Muffie & Buffie" sitting on their behind and pander to save a dime at the expense of those who risk life and limb.
23 posted on 05/25/2011 5:50:45 AM PDT by AnyStreetFL (www.AnyStreet.org - Conservative Community Organizing, ACORN without the evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

I know how to reduce the military budget - fire the Commander-in-Chief!


24 posted on 05/25/2011 5:56:21 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolsti2

Obvious posturing..nothing will come of this.

Gates is sending a message to stop approving and funding programs the military doesn’t want. They cannot to pay the troops and pay for some new advanced weapon we don’t need.

congress must choose...and the military votes..this is not rocket science.

“No Bucks, No Buck Rogers” ( The Right Stuff)


25 posted on 05/25/2011 5:59:23 AM PDT by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: gunnyg
Gunny Its even worse, gross inflation in the upper ranks.

A gater freighter, Navy crew of 700 to 800 with over 100 E7s, 8s and 9s. Numbers for a crew this size should be 12 to 15 E7s, 3 E8S and one E9. The chiefs mess should take as members, gold hash mark E6s.

26 posted on 05/25/2011 6:09:23 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Hey Gates, lead by example.
I’m certain you don’t need that cushy pension or benefits that exceed those given to soldiers.


27 posted on 05/25/2011 6:11:25 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: W. W. SMITH
I meant to add a disclaimer: I am a retired Chief Petty Officer.
28 posted on 05/25/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Old Teufel Hunden
other services can probably take a cue from the Marine Corps is that I believe most of the other services are way too top heavy.

amen to that...one trip to the commissary or exchange during the week will prove that...late 20 year olds with E7 and above insignia...early 30s 0-6s....not like that in my day...

29 posted on 05/25/2011 6:18:22 AM PDT by sternup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: W. W. SMITH
"A gater freighter, Navy crew of 700 to 800 with over 100 E7s, 8s and 9s."

Chief, is that a fairly recent phenomena? I don't remember in my day that many chiefs and master chiefs running around on the ship.
30 posted on 05/25/2011 6:25:35 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: sternup
"late 20 year olds with E7 and above insignia...early 30s 0-6s....not like that in my day..."

This may sound like age discrimination, but at least in the Marine Corps you can't acquire the knowledge and experience needed to be a Gunny by your late 20's. Just my humble opinion...
31 posted on 05/25/2011 6:27:54 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: sternup

Great, America. And I’m talking mainly here to the ones who vote Dem and who belong to unions and other left wing useless groups. YOU go, then. YOU leave YOUR family for years at a time, move 10 times in 20 years, and/or sit and wait for YOUR dad to come home or not.

YOU provide for your OWN defense, then, if you are not willing to compensate your military.

We’ll see how far that goes.


32 posted on 05/25/2011 6:34:11 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Amen -
The average pay for an experienced Navy SEAL is around the $50K range...shameful!
How much do HHS, Dept of Ed, HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie heads make?
SHAMEFUL!!!!!!!


33 posted on 05/25/2011 6:35:29 AM PDT by matginzac
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Old Teufel Hunden; LibsRJerks
maybe I'm just an old and bit disgruntled NCO that it took almost 9 years to make E6 in the AF...darn good ERs...just in a career field that was a tough jump from E5 to E6....made E5 in 3 years, but after that was pretty slow going for me.... NOW, I see a lot of big time rank on some very young faces..especially women, on my commissary and exchange trips, maybe they are just older than they appear to someone in their mid 60s....hell, I remember we had a WAF in the AF that was a Bo Derek lookalike...E9, maybe 30-33 years old...now that was a gal that got 6 down and two up REAL QUICK..her station?..89th Airlift Wing..Andrews AFB aka SAM...Motto..."Experte Credo"..."Trust one with Experience"

She added a whole new meaning to "6 down and two up"...

34 posted on 05/25/2011 7:29:13 AM PDT by sternup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: roaddog727

and on...
and on...
and on...


35 posted on 05/25/2011 8:10:31 AM PDT by notatard?
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Old Teufel Hunden
I retired 24 years ago. My son is a Navy JO. I visited his first command 5 years ago, that is when my observations where made.

In addition to the inflation I saw very little in the way of leadership among the Chief ranks. They view themselves as professional techs and for the most part sit around writing reports on this and that, in other words looking busy.

My son, after listening to me for twenty years, reported to his first command thinking that his Chief would help train him. To my abject embarrassment he had to correct and chew out his chiefs, three of them, constantly. To many Chiefs now act like useless E6s.

36 posted on 05/25/2011 8:15:29 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Makana

-How about cutting them before hurting the trigger-pullers?-

Because the trigger pullers report for duty, do their job and live (and die) on what ever scraps the current congress deigns to toss their way (besides, they’re just ignorant grunts anyway s/) - the civilians have a union to make sure the steak and caviar keeps coming their way in ever larger portions - after all, they are educated and enlightened and deserve more, right?


37 posted on 05/25/2011 8:18:32 AM PDT by notatard?
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL

Re-enlistments/retention is going to go into the toilet now...

I bet its all a part of the plan...


38 posted on 05/25/2011 9:10:19 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: W. W. SMITH
"To my abject embarrassment he had to correct and chew out his chiefs, three of them, constantly. To many Chiefs now act like useless E6s."

Reminds me of a saying we had. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. In the navy, it has more meaning... : )
39 posted on 05/25/2011 9:13:16 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: sternup
"hell, I remember we had a WAF in the AF that was a Bo Derek lookalike...E9, maybe 30-33 years old"

Okay, Bo Derek look alike, we might have to make an exception for her... : )
40 posted on 05/25/2011 9:14:33 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: roaddog727; katiekins1; credo 2; trooprally; maine-iac7; youscreamIscream99; manc; wymck; ...
There is one and ONLY 1 thing the Federal Gov’t is supposed to do:

Provide for the common defense.

All else can be done away with.

EPA: Gone
Funding for NPR: Gone
HHS: gone
the list goes on........

EXACTLY! The list sure does go on! Congress can cut funding to all the foreign countries who are our enemies, and my favorite would be to get rid of the Department of Education!

41 posted on 05/25/2011 10:16:47 AM PDT by seekthetruth (We The People stand with Israel, even though Obama stands with our enemies!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: seekthetruth

I want this shouted from the rooftops! The Federal government has been out of scope on its responsibilities for over a century, and it’s time to reel them back in.

That being said, let us also remember that many programs lauded by Americans will and should be cut under this moniker unless understood to be necessary for defense: i.e. NASA. However, as I recall, NASA started off as a private entity before the Fed subsidized and eventually subsumed it, no?


42 posted on 05/25/2011 10:27:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: seekthetruth

If only your words could become reality. Can you imagine how wonderful this Nation would be again?


43 posted on 05/25/2011 10:33:04 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: rarestia; mcmuffin
That being said, let us also remember that many programs lauded by Americans will and should be cut under this moniker unless understood to be necessary for defense: i.e. NASA. However, as I recall, NASA started off as a private entity before the Fed subsidized and eventually subsumed it, no?

NASA is one program that does not use very much of the overall budget, and in my opinion is definitely needed for National defense.

The many accomplishments of the program have also given much to society. I once had a very lengthy list of all the contributions NASA has made to improve our lives.

44 posted on 05/25/2011 10:56:35 AM PDT by seekthetruth (We The People stand with Israel, even though Obama stands with our enemies!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: seekthetruth

I’m of the same mindset, really. NASA’s the practical R&D department for the military, esp. with rocketry and space defense. I don’t see them as mutually exclusive. If anything, NASA should become another branch of the military, but how to do that would be logistically interesting.


45 posted on 05/25/2011 11:15:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: roaddog727

Right on brother!


46 posted on 05/25/2011 11:31:53 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: surfer

After four years active USAF duty, I did 33 years as a DOD CIV and my daughter (two deployments to Qatar and Afghanistan)is following in my footsteps. As a civilian I got sent to Vietnam a couple of times, trod a lot of dusty streets in the middle east, served all over Africa and Latin America. I put in a lot of unpaid hours. I hope nobody will begrudge me my pension.


47 posted on 05/25/2011 2:29:46 PM PDT by Ax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: seekthetruth

Ron Paul is the only one who will do it. The others like democracy over a Republic.


48 posted on 05/25/2011 8:49:38 PM PDT by Conservative9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: AnyStreetFL
HOw about we freeze pay in DC - AND benefits - especially retirement...with benefits for life....even after just ONE freaking term.

How about all you freaking commies go live in Cuba or Venezuela?

The military is only TWO PERCENT of our population. But they carry the greatest risk, the put their lives on the line. LEAVE THEM ALONE _ you already tried to freeze them for 3 yrs - and make the wounded pay for their own medical expenses if they had a working wife - even if that wife had to quit work to care for her wounded husband - but had COBRA.

What a bunch of puling pukes, WAshington DC stinks from the odor - and that includes a lot of RINOS.

49 posted on 05/25/2011 9:21:13 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: roaddog727

EXACTLY!

We need to crash DC computers with emails saying JUST THAT


50 posted on 05/25/2011 9:22:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson