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Republican lawmaker says US Jews should be more pro-Israel
The Hill ^ | 05/26/11 | Jordan Fabian

Posted on 05/26/2011 7:14:22 AM PDT by Qbert

A freshman House Republican on Wednesday singled out "most" liberal American Jews for not being sufficiently pro-Israel. 

Rep. Joe Walsh (Ill.) questioned why U.S. Jews have not expressed more outrage over President Obama's demand that the Israeli-Palestinian peace process be based around the 1967 borders, with mutually agreeable land swaps.

"The short answer is that most American Jews are liberal, and most American liberals side with the Palestinians and vague notions of 'peace' instead of with Israel’s well-being and security,"  Walsh wrote in an op-ed for the conservative Daily Caller.

Walsh, who is Catholic, added that the American Jewish community should be more pro-Israel.

"Like the president, the U.N., and most of Europe, too many American Jews aren’t as pro-Israel as they should be and too many share his belief that the Palestinians are victims of Israeli occupation," he wrote. "Nothing could be further from the truth."

While members of Congress on both sides of the aisle have broken with Obama over his statements about the Israeli-Palestinian border, few if any have publicly questioned the response from the Jewish community.

Several major Jewish groups have defended the president's position. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said that Obama understands the "nuances" involved in the conflict.

"This administration has come a long way in two years in terms of understanding of the nuances involved in bringing about Israeli-Palestinian peace and a better understanding of the realities and challenges confronting Israel," the group said in a statement last week following Obama's White House speech on the Middle East, in which he layed out his vision for Israeli-Palestinian peace.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) released a statement after Obama's speech at its annual conference, noting that the president's position is not that Israel should withdraw to the 1967 border — a border Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called "indefensible."

But Walsh accused the president of sympathizing with the Palestinians and putting their interests ahead of Israel's, citing Obama's 2007 remark that "nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people."

"Most U.S. presidents have followed the old paradigm and tried to be an honest broker between the two sides," he wrote. "President Obama seems only to pay lip service to even that role, and clearly his sympathies lie with the Palestinians. He is not capable of achieving peace in the Middle East because he is not pro-Israel."


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1 posted on 05/26/2011 7:14:23 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Congressman Joe Walsh: YOU GO BOY!!! 78% of the American Jews voted for Obama. That is friggin’ despicable.


2 posted on 05/26/2011 7:19:57 AM PDT by no dems (If the GOP nominee has no fire in the belly in 2012, we're going down.)
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To: Qbert

Many Jews are lost. They’re called, “The Lost Sheep of Israel.” They don’t know who they are or Whose they are. The don’t yet know who their Good Shepherd is. Soon they’ll know.


3 posted on 05/26/2011 7:20:18 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Qbert

He will be accused of being an Anti-Semite for telling the sad truth about many liberal American Jews.


4 posted on 05/26/2011 7:23:35 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Qbert
Bound to make a few heads explode...

On FR as well.

Some will hint that Joe Walsh is an anti-Semite, just as I was for making similar suggestions.

5 posted on 05/26/2011 7:26:33 AM PDT by deadrock
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To: Qbert
There was a time when I was concerned about Israel, but Jews voting for people who lean towards the blood cult confuse me. I guess it's up to Israel to take what ever action it needs to eliminate the threat at their border.

Is it fair to assume that the majority of Americans who support Obama also (by extension) support Hamas?

6 posted on 05/26/2011 7:26:52 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Qbert
Thanks for posting this.

I think that Rep. Joe Walsh is wrong.

American Jews should no more be pro-Israel than Muslims should be pro-Saudi (Mecca), or Followers of Buddha should be pro-India.

However, it does amaze me how people who
“religiously” vote Democrat do so without using their head and without examining all of the positions taken by the Democratic party and the damage that it does to the world and this country.

7 posted on 05/26/2011 7:27:30 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Baynative
Jews voting for people who lean towards the blood cult confuse me. I guess it's up to Israel to take what ever action it needs to eliminate the threat at their border.

You're right. Many secular US Jews don't give a sh!t about Israel. The orthodox here do care, but they're poor and concentrated in very blue states.

Israel is on its own, but they'll be ok.

8 posted on 05/26/2011 7:30:11 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Qbert

I would be more concerned about people living in America being more pro-American, especially our CONgressmen.


9 posted on 05/26/2011 7:44:10 AM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: PapaNew

Ethnic Jews, but ideologically just another bunch of anti-Christian liberals.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 7:45:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I don’t using the anti-semeticism card but these claims (mostly by Christians) that American Jews are not real Jews because the do not worship blindly at the altar of Likud borders on anti-semeticism.


11 posted on 05/26/2011 8:02:00 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: MrB

I don’t like using the anti-semeticism card but these claims (mostly by Christians) that American Jews are not real Jews because the do not worship blindly at the altar of Likud borders on anti-semeticism.


12 posted on 05/26/2011 8:05:55 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

“Israel” is Biblical Israel, including the physical land.

Distorting this to mean “The Likud” is a strawman.


13 posted on 05/26/2011 8:06:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Israel doesn’t mean the Likud, no more than the United States means the Democratic party. It is the Bibi worshipers who confuse the two, not me.


14 posted on 05/26/2011 8:09:52 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

You’re still misrepresenting my argument.


15 posted on 05/26/2011 8:15:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

How? Of course, the Bible describes the existence of a country called Israel. So what? What the heck is your point?


16 posted on 05/26/2011 8:38:22 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Qbert

American Jews are LEFTISTS, FIRST AND ALWAYS. They only become Jews if it in some way benefits them.


17 posted on 05/26/2011 8:40:56 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: MrB
Ethnic Jews, but ideologically just another bunch of anti-Christian liberals.

Just like the rest of us used to be. Wait 'til God gets ahold of 'em.

18 posted on 05/26/2011 8:48:51 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Captain Kirk

>>Israel doesn’t mean the Likud, no more than the United States means the Democratic party. It is the Bibi worshipers who confuse the two, not me.<<

When I examine political posts here on FR, I see what I consider to be far too much adoration and blind love for the candidates. I have never understood people flipping out over movie stars or singers but the way FReepers get emotionally wound up over candidates is beyond my comprehension.


19 posted on 05/26/2011 9:01:41 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Qbert

This American Jew is glad to see a righteous Catholic chastising American Jews for being lazy and stupidly not supporting Israel enough.


20 posted on 05/26/2011 9:09:31 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Qbert

Just you wait: being pro-Israel will soon be labeled a “chr*stian” position and therefore “un-Jewish” (just like the six days of creation, the Ten Commandments, and the prohibition of homosexuality). It will soon be all but required for all “true Jews” to be anti-Israel.


21 posted on 05/26/2011 9:12:46 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: DEADROCK

“Truth is an absolute defense.”

-Clarence Darrow


22 posted on 05/26/2011 10:39:44 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: dennisw; rmlew; firebrand; juliej; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; Just A Nobody; Sarah Barracuda; ...
This American Jew is glad to see a righteous Catholic chastising American Jews for being lazy and stupidly not supporting Israel enough.

Agreed.

Walsh is not chastising "American Jews" as a whole, just the Jewish Left. The reaction of Abe Foxman's ADL is not typical, yet the MSM is constantly quoting them as a barometer of Jewish sentiment.

The guess here is that Obama slipping in Jewish support overall and he will get a significantly smaller percentage of the Jewish vote in 2012 compared to 2008.

23 posted on 05/26/2011 10:57:31 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I agree.


24 posted on 05/26/2011 11:01:03 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Qbert

a sad commentary on Jewish leftists


25 posted on 05/26/2011 11:04:14 AM PDT by dervish (Israel is not what's wrong with the Middle East; it's what's right with it)
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To: Captain Kirk
Israel doesn’t mean the Likud, no more than the United States means the Democratic party. It is the Bibi worshipers who confuse the two, not me.
1. Defensible borders is the position of 90 of 120 members of the Knesset, not just the 28 members of Likud. (The rest are split between Arabs, communists, anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews). There is disagreement over what this entails, but not the principle. It was as true for Rabin as it is for Netanyahu

2. Comparing Likud to the Democrats? You mean a free market nationalist party, vs the Democrats. You really are desperate.

26 posted on 05/26/2011 11:07:32 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: justiceseeker93

Jewish voters will be leaving Bammy Boy with large and small Jewish donors heading for the exits


27 posted on 05/26/2011 11:31:28 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: rmlew
The Likud's ultimate position is not "defensible borders" but annexation of all the occupied territories and either expulsion of the Arab majority and their marginalization via either disfranchisement and/or confinment to crowded isolated bantusans. If you don't see this as the ultimate agenda, you don't know much about Likud. Fortunately, their are some Likudites who honestly admit this, most recently Danny Danon, deputy speaker of the Knesset. See here
28 posted on 05/26/2011 12:52:05 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Qbert

LOL — JINOS


29 posted on 05/26/2011 1:04:10 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: no dems

I am an American Jew who agrees with Walsh. The 78% who voted for Obama are Jews in Name Only. They would have stayed in Egypt during the Exodus with their masters.


30 posted on 05/26/2011 1:17:47 PM PDT by juliej
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To: Captain Kirk

Why do I get the impression you do not like Israel? Bibi spoke the truth to wimpiness, being Obama, who needs a history lesson.


31 posted on 05/26/2011 1:27:48 PM PDT by juliej
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Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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A foolish statement by Rep Walsh, which I'm sure is the result of his inexperience in the political forum, he's spent his life earning a living for his family, before turning to public service.

The problem with Rep Walsh's statement is twofold.

First, that his solution to Israel's problems is the only one, bar none.

More importantly, his assumption that Jews vote only on what's best for Israel, thus his dismay. The disloyalty canard. No, he didn't mean it that way, but Jews pick up on that.

The typical Freerepublic canard. What's wrong with you stupid, Hitler voting Jews. We have the solution to Israel's problems. So you vote for us, because you vote for Israel, else you're a communist, self hating Jew who deserves deportation. Yes. just in the last week I've seen deportation advocated on FR. But no one has come to my door.

Politically, it's a losing arguement.

Put yourself in the place of a conflicted O'Bama supproter.

Couple years ago GWB advocated the 1949 lines, with changes based on facts on the ground. From the perspective of someone who supports or trusts O'Bama, and that's a s*itload of Christians, not much difference.

Other that his SOS statement that the palestinians were like her oppressed friends in the south, a place O'Bama hasn't gone yet.

I pointed these things out at the time, heard some dissent, but I do think my opinion that GWB's positions, and I've no doubt of his support for Israel, coult take on a different color as American policy in future administrations. Particularly the absurd concept of a contiguous palestinian state, requiring a corridor through Israel connecting Judea and Samaria to Gaza.

I wish GWB was a bit more careful about his words. But if I had my choice, I'd have preferred he scrapped "No Child Left Behind" and the medicare drug benefit. Fortunately immigration reform failed.

By Rep. Walsh's statement, I should have taken a pass on these things, since GWB was, imo, supportive of Israel.

32 posted on 05/26/2011 1:48:43 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: juliej
To the contrary, I like Israel and I show this by supporting a policy which will make it a completely free and independent to set its own course. You, apparently, on the other hand have only way to show your "like" for Israel: keep it perpetually on the public teat of American taxpayers.

That is akin to welfare state liberals who show their "love" of the poor by keeping them on welfare for eternity and then complaining when the government tries to put any strings on these recipients.

Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons. It is perfectly able to take care of itself without your welfare.

33 posted on 05/26/2011 2:22:18 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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CK,
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. What MK Danon said is that if the Palestinians move towards unilaterally declaring a state and annexing land, and moving to expel Jews, Israel should :
" would in turn be free to halt aid to the Palestinians, annex the Jewish and uninhabited areas of the West Bank."

Nowhere does that say that Israel would annex the entire West Bank and expel Arabs.

Given that you can't read, I'm sure you also don't know history. It was the Likud that gave Egypt the Sinai in 1979. It was a Likud government under Netanyahu that gave Hebron and parts of the West Bank to Arafat. It was a Likud-Kadima government under Sharon that gave Gaza to the Palestinian Authority.

34 posted on 05/26/2011 2:28:43 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: SJackson; dennisw; juliej; All
First, that [Walsh's] solution to Israel's problems is the only one, bar none.

No, I don't even think that Walsh enunciated any specific solutions there. He was merely criticizing the Jewish Left for their paucity of opposition to Obama's speech (in the specific case of Foxman and his ADL, there was praise for Obama's recognition of "nuances.")

More importantly, his assumption that Jews vote only on what's best for Israel, thus his dismay. The disloyalty canard. No, he didn't mean it that way but Jews pick up on that.

Well, maybe I'm not "Jewish enough," but I didn't pick up any insinuation of any disloyalty, though a non-Jewish conservative Republican politician criticizing the Jewish Left is somewhat unusual in today's politics. Nor did Walsh say anything about Jewish voting. He was merely criticizing the lack of opposition to Obama's speech and Obama's positions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in certain Jewish quarters (like most of the Jewish 'Rats in Congress).

The problem with your reasoning, SJackson, as a Jewish conservative, is that you overly sensitive to the irrational and misguided political loyalties of the Jewish Obamatons. The only way to convert even a small percentage of them to our side of the political divide is to tell them the truth about the stark repercussions of their ideology across a broad range of issues.

35 posted on 05/26/2011 3:37:11 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: DEADROCK

“Some will hint that Joe Walsh is an anti-Semite, just as I was for making similar suggestions.”

No, you assume (wrongly) that non-religious Americans, barely-ethnic people, are somehow motivated by what happens in a homeland some 1800 years distant to them

Now, where were your relatives 1800 years ago?

Somewhere in Europe?

Do you base your American political decisions based on what is good for Germany, Ireland, or England? Italy?

No, of course not. Because you’re an American.

Sure, you might like green beer or pretzels or wear a plad skirt for kicks, but you’re an American.

Same with reform, mildly-ethnic, Jewish Americans.

Their link with Judaism is about as thick as a shmear of lox and cream cheese on a bagel.

They are loyal (in their liberal sort of way) to America, not Israel.

Now, I am Israeli. Born in Israel. Jewish. Happen to have two American parents and happen to be married to an American while we get her parents’ business in sellable condition and she finishes her medical training. All our dsughters born in Israel.

So, yes, your allegation would be logical against me.

The dual-loyalty assumption is not logical against secular, non-zionist Jewish americans. Of course they don’t base their decisions on what happens to Israelis.


36 posted on 05/26/2011 3:46:50 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: juliej; MrB; Captain Kirk

A quick perusal of Captain Kirk’s post reveal a constant stream of attacks against all things Israeli or Jewish — from any angle, no logic, just anti-Jewish.

He’s on basically every thread, and has been for at least a year, dancing on the edge of being zot worthy.

I hope he’s a paid Soros poster to paint conservatives as anti-semitic.

Otherwise, he’s just sad and pathetic.


37 posted on 05/26/2011 3:54:25 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SJackson
his assumption that Jews vote only on what's best for Israel

He said that they don't vote based on what's best for Israel because they're liberals.

The disloyalty canard.

The disloyalty canard is when RATS suggest that Jews who support Israel are disloyal to America. Walsh said that Jews who don't support Israel are disloyal to Israel.

38 posted on 05/26/2011 3:55:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Jewbacca
First, I'm Canadian.

Second, I have had to defend myself from the accusation recently on FR by following Joe Walsh logic.(or he following mine)

If I'm anti-Semitic stating what Joe Walsh did, then so must be Joe Walsh in eyes of FRers who slandered me.

Words such as 'assume' and 'wrongly' don't fit in the equation.

39 posted on 05/26/2011 4:10:03 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: DEADROCK

Canada or USA make no difference in my point.

Now, note I didn’t accuse you of being anti-semitic.

I pointed out the fallacy of your logic in assuming that distantly-ethnic Jewish Americans would be any more loyal or concerned with their distant homeland than distantly-ethnic European Americans (be they Canadian or from the States).

And note, I understand from where you come:

Assuming zionist leanings in American Jewish people is a common fallacy, and one I’ve shared myself as very Zionist, very Jewish Israeli in America — grave dissappointment with my fellow Tribemen whom I believe to be putting me and mine in danger.

I was in shock, and now I understand -— Israel is not remotely important to many liberal Jewish people.


40 posted on 05/26/2011 4:32:22 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: rmlew
Reading comprehension? I said that the Likud favored two possible alternatives. It would EITHER expel the Palestinians entirely Or disfranchise them (as in the Dolan plan) and confine them to Balkanized Bantustans (my word in the original post). These Balkanized non-contiguous areas though not officially annexed wouldn't be self-governing or independent in any sense. The best comparions that come to mind are Slovakia (circa 1939) or perhaps U.S. Indian reservations (circa 1910). Please note that Dolan is a relative moderate compared to Avigdor Lieberman. Let him speak for himself (emphasis mine):

"Second, a United Nations vote on Palestinian statehood would give Israel an opportunity to rectify the mistake we made in 1967 by failing to annex all of the West Bank (as we did the eastern half of Jerusalem). We could then extend full Israeli jurisdiction to the Jewish communities and uninhabited lands of the West Bank.....These Palestinians would not have the option to become Israeli citizens, therefore averting the threat to the Jewish and democratic status of Israel by a growing Palestinian population."

You're right that Begin gave back the Sinai but that was because the Likud, aside from a few extremists, never regarded that land as part of Greater Israel. Begin if you remember never tired of waxing eloquent about Judea and Samaria NOT the Sinai.

41 posted on 05/26/2011 4:48:30 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93. Rep. Joe Walsh, barnstorming again.


42 posted on 05/26/2011 5:02:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Captain Kirk
You do know the difference between a threat (if the Palestinians get the UN to gang up on Israel, Israel will do X or Y) and a desire, right?

I get the feeeling that you would call anything short of 1967 borders "bantustans"

43 posted on 05/26/2011 10:19:54 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: juliej

Bless you!!!


44 posted on 05/27/2011 3:56:36 AM PDT by no dems (If the GOP nominee has no fire in the belly in 2012, we're going down.)
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To: Jewbacca; Captain Kirk

The funny thing is, Captain Kirk was played by William Shatner, a Jew, IIRC.

When I was a kid, I loved that show so much I actually thought Shatner was a good actor! :)


45 posted on 05/27/2011 5:37:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jewbacca

Many leftists try to couch their hatred of Jews behind “anti-Zionist” assertions.

Replacement theology is on this continuum.


46 posted on 05/27/2011 5:41:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: no dems

I could use some blessings! Thanks.


47 posted on 05/27/2011 6:12:55 AM PDT by juliej
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To: MrB

I finally caught on when he was attacking Gene Simmons (Kiss, Jewish) and some other random things.

There was no logical connection (intervene HERE, but not HERE), then I realized, “oh, everything and everyone he complains about is Jewish or Israeli.”


48 posted on 05/27/2011 8:12:11 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: MrB
You think that is funny? Well....then you must find it to be a laugh riot that most American Jews agree more with me rather than Bibi on Israel. And yes I am a GREAT actor as shown by by brilliant performance (in Esperanto!) in the classic film, Incubus.
49 posted on 05/27/2011 8:25:28 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: rmlew
I get the feeeling that you would call anything short of 1967 borders "bantustans"

Nothing could be further from the truth. If we took Israel and the Arabs both off American welfare both sides might actually make some interesting and creative land swaps.

One possibility is that Israel could trade away some of the Arab majority areas in Israel proper (along the 1967 border) to the new Palestine state in exchange for the Palestinians renouncing their rights to East Jerusalem and Jewish settlements along the other side of the 1967 border.

Such creative thinking now is impossible. Meanwhile, the Israelis in the long-face a demographic time bomb in the territories and Israel proper because of high Arab birthrates. Ten years from now it may be too late to cut such a deal.

BTW, what is your long-term alternative? Ethnic cleansing of the Arabs from the territories? Be honest now.

50 posted on 05/27/2011 8:40:07 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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