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Air France Flight 447: Pilot Errors?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc6iDSOeIng


5 posted on 05/27/2011 6:43:08 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: TSgt

Nice hatchet job on the dead pilots by ABC news. Before they jump to conclusions, they should let the investigators conduct their investigation.

Almost all crashes involve some kind of pilot error, but some circumstances are very tough to overcome - even if the pilot is Chuck Yaeger.


10 posted on 05/27/2011 7:03:52 AM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: TSgt
Here's a little story posted by Orval Fairbairn not long after the crash:

I just got this email from a retired airline pilot:

From a retired NWA buddy of mine

This from Brent Stratton, a friend and NWA pilot I flew the B-757 with
out of our Tokyo base.........Now obviously on the A-330  

Well, I'm sure you have all heard of the Air France accident. I fly the
same plane, the A330.

      Yesterday while coming up from Hong Kong to Tokyo, a 1700nm 4hr.
flight, we experienced the same problems Air France had while flying
thru bad weather.
I have a link to the failures that occurred on AF 447. My list is almost
the same.
http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/acars447.php
            
      The problem I suspect is the pitot tubes ice over and you loose
your airspeed indication along with the auto pilot, auto throttles and
rudder limit protection. The rudder limit protection keeps you from over
stressing the rudder at high speed.
      
      Synopsis;
Tuesday 23, 2009 10am enroute HKG to NRT. Entering Nara Japan airspace.

      FL390 mostly clear with occasional isolated areas of rain, clouds
tops about FL410.
Outside air temperature was -50C TAT -21C (your not supposed to get
liquid water at these temps). We did.

      As we were following other aircraft along our route. We approached
a large area of rain below us. Tilting the weather radar down we could
see the heavy rain below, displayed in red. At our altitude the radar
indicated green or light precipitation, most likely ice crystals we
thought.

      Entering the cloud tops we experienced just light to moderate
turbulence. (The winds were around 30kts at altitude.) After about 15
sec. we encountered moderate rain. We thought it odd to have rain
streaming up the windshield at this altitude and the sound of the plane
getting pelted like an aluminum garage door. It got very warm and humid
in the cockpit all of a sudden.
Five seconds later the Captains, First Officers, and standby airspeed
indicators rolled back to 60kts. The auto pilot and auto throttles
disengaged. The Master Warning and Master Caution flashed, and the
sounds of chirps and clicks letting us know these things were happening.
      Jerry Staab, the Capt. hand flew the plane on the shortest vector
out of the rain. The airspeed indicators briefly came back but failed
again. The failure lasted for THREE minutes. We flew the recommended
83%N1 power setting. When the airspeed indicators came back. we were
within 5 knots of our desired speed. Everything returned to normal
except for the computer logic controlling the plane. (We were in
alternate law for the rest of the flight.)  

      We had good conditions for the failure; daylight, we were rested,
relatively small area, and light turbulence. I think it could have been
much worse. Jerry did a great job fly and staying cool. We did our
procedures called dispatch and maintenance on the SAT COM and landed in
Narita. That's it.


57 posted on 05/27/2011 11:10:54 AM PDT by cynwoody
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