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Sisterhood and the SEALs
City Journal ^ | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 05/27/2011 8:24:46 AM PDT by ventanax5

It was just a matter of time before the successful Navy SEAL operation against Osama bin Laden on May 1 provoked a complaint that SEAL teams are all-male. Sure enough, Washington Post pundit (and founder of the feminist website Jezebel.com) Anna Holmes came through last week with a column denouncing the “paternalistic, discriminatory” exclusion of women from special-operations units and comparing that exclusion to racial segregation. If you’d like to get a full picture of feminist thought today, just combine Holmes’s column with the ongoing farce at Yale University, which is under federal investigation for allegedly denying female students equal educational opportunities. Not only has the rise of women to positions of power and control in American society not dented feminist irrationality, it seems to have exacerbated that irrationality.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: military; navy; seal; specialforces; university; women; yale

1 posted on 05/27/2011 8:24:47 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

In other words, action is cheap and words are precious.

Her blog name isn’t very complimentary either.


2 posted on 05/27/2011 8:33:23 AM PDT by RexBeach (If two people know, it's not a secret.)
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To: Travis McGee

Sure hope the SEALs do not succumb to PC pressure to let in women. I doubt they will.


3 posted on 05/27/2011 8:33:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: ventanax5

4 posted on 05/27/2011 8:36:01 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: CodeToad
Sure hope the SEALs do not succumb to PC pressure to let in women. I doubt they will.

Good luck with that - I used to think the same thing about the Submarines...

5 posted on 05/27/2011 8:37:21 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: ventanax5
Put old ann in field gear with all the equipment and weapons and ammo and let her run five miles. End of story, have ambulance ready.
6 posted on 05/27/2011 8:37:25 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: ventanax5

What was that movie with Demi Moore?


7 posted on 05/27/2011 8:41:39 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: ventanax5

If a woman could make it through BUD/S without preferential treatment, then I’m all for it.


8 posted on 05/27/2011 8:42:22 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: ventanax5

Remember when VMI fought to keep women out for years? They were finally forced to admit the first woman by court order. She showed up and the first order of business for new recruits was to shave their heads.

She got the court to stop that, too. It’s not about me climbing to where you are, it’s about me bring you down to where I am. The standards will be lowered. And men will die.


9 posted on 05/27/2011 8:42:29 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: ventanax5
What about the complaints the MSM is all-liberal?

What about that?

10 posted on 05/27/2011 8:43:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: ventanax5

The basic hypocrisy of rad-feminists is epitomized by this episode. On one hand, according to the rad-fems who’ve seen the Demi Moore movie, women are just as capable as men to withstand all the phsyical and mental challenges to be SEALs. However, on the other hand, women are so weak and frail of mind they can’t take a little crude behavior by a bunch of frat-boy nitwits. Undoubtedly, the fem morons probably can’t even grasp the double-standard they insist on.


11 posted on 05/27/2011 8:44:38 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: ventanax5

The SEALS exclude anyone who is weak.

Women do not have the physical stamina to pick up a 220lb man and drag him and his gear to safety. They cannot physically dominate the same man in hand-to-hand combat. They would be unable, in fact, to accomplish the overwhelming majority of the physical tasks which are part of being a special operations soldier. Because they are unable to perform the work, the military community has thankfully not allowed them into units where their inadequacies on the battlefield would result in soldiers being killed.

This woman is a dumbass.


12 posted on 05/27/2011 8:46:42 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Pan_Yan
The standards will be lowered. And men will die.

The currency that the US Military is supposed to operate in is human life in defense of the US Constitution. The currency that operates DC and Wall Street is cash. The two forms of exchange are not interchangeable. The US Military, the US Navy and the US Navy SEALS need to fight this with every fiber of their being.

When will we as a people stand up agains the secular elite that think they run this country?

Semper Fi,

TS

13 posted on 05/27/2011 8:48:54 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: antisocial

“GI Jane” - she looked like she could’ve ripped my arm off and beat me to death with it. Hot, in a scary sort of way. And a really stupid plot.

Colonel, USAFR


14 posted on 05/27/2011 8:54:48 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: snowrip

I think of a older sailor I served with. He was 25, older for me at 19. Couldn’t look at him in the shower, the burns looked so awful. In 1945, his aircraft carrier was blowing up and burning around him, but he went down three decks into the fire to carry up a badly injured shipmate.
Then went BACK DOWN, and came up with another casualty. With his clothes on fire, he went down once more and brought up a man who could not walk, as a leg was gone.
Clothes now burned away, he turned again to go below, but was physically restrained and finally sedated.
On his uniform was 2 silver stars, 3 purple hearts, and the NAVY CROSS.
He is why the Navy should not have put women on board a ship of war. How high would the casualty count have been with girls on board? THAT should be the issue.


15 posted on 05/27/2011 9:03:33 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

God bless him.

A high casualty count due to the physical differences between men and women will never be the issue, because it involves rational thought. Politicians and feminists are incapable of it.

Actually, I have a question for any lurking feminists: how do you think one of the Yale 16 would be treated if they were captured in a forward area by, say, the Chinese? Do you think they would be able to sue the Chinese government because a man had pointed a weapon at them? Or is it more likely that the last few hours of their life would be spent somewhat differently?


16 posted on 05/27/2011 9:16:13 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: ventanax5

After dreaming of being SEALs for years, training up, getting in shape, and mentally preparing, 80% of the toughest men in our military fail out of SEAL training because they aren’t physically or mentally strong enough, often because they just don’t have the muscle for the job. What percentage of women would make it through? If they make it on a level playing field, I’m okay with that. The problem is that even a female Olympic athlete isn’t as strong as our SEALs.


17 posted on 05/27/2011 9:26:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: All

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18 posted on 05/27/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: ventanax5

SEALs comprise the top 1/50th of a percent of MEN in the service.

IF there are women capable of competing at THAT level, WITHOUT DUMBING DOWN THE CRITERIA, sign ‘em up.

Otherwise, sit down and shut up!


19 posted on 05/27/2011 9:35:32 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: ventanax5

Even black males only make up about 1 1/2% to 2% of Special Operations men. No woman can do it.


20 posted on 05/27/2011 9:44:14 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: snowrip
Even some of us are not that stupid to have women in forward combat areas, or even allow a try-out for special forces. The physical demands, along with the brutality needed, and the capture situations.... their lives, if captured by a foreign hostile group would be most unpleasant. Torture, rape, etc.

Keep women out. (and I am one!)

21 posted on 05/27/2011 9:44:21 AM PDT by Maigrey (Life, for a liberal, is one never-ending game of Calvinball. - giotto)
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To: FReepaholic
For feminists, however, the moribund concept of female modesty is just another sexist oppression designed to keep women down—except when we want to take offense and claim to be wounded by being treated as the sexual objects that we present ourselves as.

The writer of the piece is pretty realistic - sadly most women aren't...

22 posted on 05/27/2011 1:47:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: ventanax5

These womyn couldn’t even get through a normal male fraternity Hell Week as a pledge, let alone get through basic Seal selection.

They whine and cry about being offended and discriminated against when the reality is they’re mentally and physically unsuitable for even getting through frat Hell Week. If they want to REALLY be equal and treated equally, then shut up about being offended, discriminated against and generally being pussies. Don’t let their alligator mouths overcome their hummingbird asses. If they can’t take a little frat boy prank without being soooooooo offended, they’re not gonna make it any place other than PC politics... and we all know just how mentally stunted that group is.


23 posted on 05/27/2011 4:00:52 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: The Shrew
When will we as a people stand up agains the secular elite that think they run this country?

When we elect Sarah Palin, a real woman's woman, who cheerfully admits a woman's physical limitations and is secure enough in herself to marry a man's man in Todd and bring forth another in Track.

And feed them both elk venison that she shot and dressed herself. "Elk -- it's what's for dinner!!"

Hoo-ahhh!

24 posted on 05/27/2011 6:11:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: hadit2here
These womyn couldn’t even get through a normal male fraternity Hell Week as a pledge, let alone get through basic Seal selection.

Remember Tailhook? "Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, he pinched me on the bubby! I think I feel a lawsuit coming on!"

Yeah, that's BUDS material -- a SEAL in the making!

25 posted on 05/27/2011 6:21:29 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: ventanax5

A friend of mines son is in training to be SEAL

From what he told his dad so far, it ain’t easy.

There are a lot of things that men and women can both do well, but I don’t know how many women can go through no sleep for days while getting slapped in the face, and being psychologically abuse. (Training if they are ever captured)

Oh, and you have to trap and kill bunnies for food.


26 posted on 05/27/2011 6:39:58 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: jagusafr

That’s it thanks - I agree it was stupid!


27 posted on 05/28/2011 8:40:24 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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