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Oklahomans Outraged Over Ersland Conviction
KOCO.com ^ | May 27, 2011 | N/A

Posted on 05/27/2011 6:21:20 PM PDT by MizSterious

Oklahomans Outraged Over Ersland Conviction

Residents Ask Gov. Mary Fallin To Pardon Jerome Ersland

POSTED: 5:51 pm CDT May 27, 2011
UPDATED: 6:07 pm CDT May 27, 2011

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Some Oklahomans are outraged over the conviction of pharmacist Jerome Ersland, and they are turning to social media to voice their opinions.

A jury found Ersland guilty of murder in connection with the fatal shooting of 16-year-old Antwun Parker, sparking a backlash of citizens outraged with the verdict.

Dozens of calls have been made to Gov. Mary Fallin's office along with messages posted on the governor's Facebook wall, asking her to pardon Ersland.

"For us to punish someone who was protecting his employees and his business was really unlawful," said resident Brandy Crawford. "I feel bad for all the families involved. I really feel bad for the mother losing her child the way she did. But when people commit crimes, they have to understand there are consequences to that crime."


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On the teevee news, this was reported as a "backlash."

As for me, I think that any time someone decides to wave a gun in someone's face, or even tag along with someone who does, the right to draw air is rescinded.

1 posted on 05/27/2011 6:21:28 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious

I hope at some point very soon we can have an adult conversation about all the issues involved in this. And I hope that we don’t get back to judgments made by considering whose riots the ruling class fears more.


2 posted on 05/27/2011 6:27:06 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: MizSterious

Pardon me.


3 posted on 05/27/2011 6:28:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MizSterious
"the right to draw air is rescinded. "

These daze it's the right to exhale CO2.

4 posted on 05/27/2011 6:30:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MizSterious

Yes, after all, Antwun was “trying to turn his life around”.


5 posted on 05/27/2011 6:32:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: MizSterious

A jury of one’s doofi decided!


6 posted on 05/27/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: MizSterious
I'm guessing “Antwun” wasn't Amish. I wonder how much of the jury was of similar racial makeup as “Antwun” (I guess in the end Antwun learned that Gunwun...)
7 posted on 05/27/2011 6:35:20 PM PDT by apillar
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To: MizSterious

My understanding of the story was Antwan(sp?) was shot in the head then the pharmacist guy shot him five more times while Antwan was laying on the floor apparently unconscious or immobile .


8 posted on 05/27/2011 6:41:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: MizSterious
Ersland shot the unarmed criminal in the head and he went down, out cold and bleeding.

Ersland ran past him to follow the armed criminal who was fleeing the scene.

The armed criminal got away, so Ersland stupidly and dangerously discharged the rest of his rounds into the air.

Frustrated, he went back inside, walked past the unconscious criminal on the floor and, with his back to him, got another loaded weapon and pumped five rounds into the unconscious, unarmed man on the floor.

Then he lied to the police and said he was fired at, which he was not.

Then he lied about being a decorated combat veteran.

Ersland is a scumbag and a coward who executed an unarmed and unconscious man in cold blood.

9 posted on 05/27/2011 6:41:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

That’s cold blooded murder.


10 posted on 05/27/2011 6:48:03 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: wideawake

People have had enough of these juvenile criminals who wreak havoc on society. They are excused for their behavior and come out smelling like a rose while the victims are left to pick up the pieces, bury their dead and watch their bank accounts deplete as they replace the stolen goods and repair the vandalism. People earning an honest living, working sunup to sundown to support their families are having to put up with these animals who have been indiscriminately bred who think nothing of taking what is yours and killing for fun. And don’t feed me the crap about being black and society is to blame. They have more money and opportunities thrown at them than I will earn in my lifetime and still willingly end up in the gutter.

Maybe if one of these animals feared being held accountable instead of giving the finger to the victims, the court system and society in general, maybe they would think twice before the Antwuns of the world committed a crime.


11 posted on 05/27/2011 6:55:44 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Nice rant, but it doesn't excuse the execution of an unarmed, unconscious individual.

That's a complete abandonment of any claim to the moral high ground.

12 posted on 05/27/2011 7:02:02 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: MizSterious

“When people commit crimes, they have to understand there are consequences to that crime.”

Yes but the person making this statement forgets that the perpetual victims in this nation feel that they are entitled to anything they want. If you fight back you are a racist hater.


13 posted on 05/27/2011 7:03:34 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: SkyDancer
My understanding of the story was Antwan(sp?) was shot in the head then the pharmacist guy shot him five more times while Antwan was laying on the floor apparently unconscious or immobile.

Your understanding appears to be correct.

To which, my response -- as a private citizen or as a juror -- would be "So what?"

The kid is pointing a gun at me. I shoot him first, before he shoots me. He goes down. I'm not going to stop shooting.

By the time I'm finished, he's going to be dead -- one way or the other.

How does that make me guilty of first degree (premeditated) murder?

The jury was either stupid...or racist...or both.

The pharmacist will win on appeal. It's just a shame that he'll have invest his life savings to pay the lawyers.

14 posted on 05/27/2011 7:04:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: OldNewYork
There is an inconvenient political and demographic thread running through these problems. And no, we won't be able to have a grown up conversation about it.
15 posted on 05/27/2011 7:04:36 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Grunthor
Fighting back is shooting a would-be stick up kid in the head.

Murdering same in cold blood while he is unconscious, not so much.

16 posted on 05/27/2011 7:05:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
No, the scumbag got shot. The pharmacist was an idiot but if I may offer an argument for shooting the guy on the ground. He was possibly thrashing about and may have had a gun. Likely? Probably not. But who is going to say different. In reality if this guy had lived and the pharmacist was dumb enough to file a complaint and offer to be a witness then these clowns and their friends would have threatened or killed him. In reality THAT'S why the guy needed to die.

if he had kept his mouth shut then it is the pharmacists word against a body. Now if the pharmacist had acted like the police in this matter, destroyed the video and then just SHUT HIS MOUTH , he would be free. I've posts this on every thread this has been posted. The cops are not your friends. Never talk to the cops.

The shooter should have said NOTHING...jeez. This is the second story like this I've seen. FReepers need to pass the word to everybody they know who has a CCW or a weapon to defend themselves in office or home... DON'T SAY ANYTHING!!! except "I was afraid for my life and then immediately, "My attorney will answer ALL further questions." That's it.. nothing, no "I'm sorry", "I shot him"... "I only was defending myself"..."I thought he had a weapon, I didn't know he wasn't armed".. "He didn't look like a teenager"... NOTHING. Don't answer the cops about the type of weapon you have, your ammo, your training, NOTHING. Tell the first cop about you being afraid for your life, then STFU.

Point to your weapon that you have unloaded and laid out in the open on the ground and then just have a seat. When the cops get there, stand up with your hands up and palms out.

Do EVERYTHING they tell you to do. You will be placed on the ground, cuffed and put in the cruiser.

If the cops keep pumping you for statements, DO NOT REENACT the crime. NOTHING. Only that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU WANT AN ATTORNEY.

The cops aren't your friends and the press isn't either. If you mistate, lie , embellish or say anything , it will be used against you. Especially from a DA that wants to make a name or a cop that wants to get a promotion.

The cops are the only ones allowed to murder someone nowadays and get a promotion, overtime enhanced pension in addition to disability payments for life. Remember -Keep your mouth shut. Then pray that you get a good lawyer, DA that doesn't want to crusade and cops that are trying to go home early so screw up the paperwork. If these don't fall into place, you're in for a terrible year or more and I feel sorry for you.

17 posted on 05/27/2011 7:06:42 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: wideawake

Your are right this is no different in a SWAT team that lets a man bleed out instead of calling the MEDICS it’s murder.


18 posted on 05/27/2011 7:06:42 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS orRINO's.)
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To: wideawake
No, the scumbag got shot. The pharmacist was an idiot but if I may offer an argument for shooting the guy on the ground. He was possibly thrashing about and may have had a gun. Likely? Probably not. But who is going to say different. In reality if this guy had lived and the pharmacist was dumb enough to file a complaint and offer to be a witness then these clowns and their friends would have threatened or killed him. In reality THAT'S why the guy needed to die.

if he had kept his mouth shut then it is the pharmacists word against a body. Now if the pharmacist had acted like the police in this matter, destroyed the video and then just SHUT HIS MOUTH , he would be free. I've posts this on every thread this has been posted. The cops are not your friends. Never talk to the cops.

The shooter should have said NOTHING...jeez. This is the second story like this I've seen. FReepers need to pass the word to everybody they know who has a CCW or a weapon to defend themselves in office or home... DON'T SAY ANYTHING!!! except "I was afraid for my life and then immediately, "My attorney will answer ALL further questions." That's it.. nothing, no "I'm sorry", "I shot him"... "I only was defending myself"..."I thought he had a weapon, I didn't know he wasn't armed".. "He didn't look like a teenager"... NOTHING. Don't answer the cops about the type of weapon you have, your ammo, your training, NOTHING. Tell the first cop about you being afraid for your life, then STFU.

Point to your weapon that you have unloaded and laid out in the open on the ground and then just have a seat. When the cops get there, stand up with your hands up and palms out.

Do EVERYTHING they tell you to do. You will be placed on the ground, cuffed and put in the cruiser.

If the cops keep pumping you for statements, DO NOT REENACT the crime. NOTHING. Only that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU WANT AN ATTORNEY.

The cops aren't your friends and the press isn't either. If you mistate, lie , embellish or say anything , it will be used against you. Especially from a DA that wants to make a name or a cop that wants to get a promotion.

The cops are the only ones allowed to murder someone nowadays and get a promotion, overtime enhanced pension in addition to disability payments for life. Remember -Keep your mouth shut. Then pray that you get a good lawyer, DA that doesn't want to crusade and cops that are trying to go home early so screw up the paperwork. If these don't fall into place, you're in for a terrible year or more and I feel sorry for you.

19 posted on 05/27/2011 7:07:44 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: okie01
The lesson is: read the rest of the thread and find out all the facts.

O.K. I screwed up.

Ersland murdered the kid in cold blood. No credit to young Antwun. But Ersland's actions were uncalled for.

Apologies to the thread.

20 posted on 05/27/2011 7:07:51 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: wideawake

Maybe. If a SWAT team did the same thing, it would be a “good shoot” because “cops deserve to go home at night”.


21 posted on 05/27/2011 7:08:42 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: wideawake
I notice you always tend to take “the moral high ground”on these types of threads, and yes, I am be facetious.
22 posted on 05/27/2011 7:09:22 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: MileHi

“And no, we won’t be able to have a grown up conversation about it.”

That would be a shame. It’s 150 years since the beginning of another sort of solution to an American problem, one other countries also had but solved relatively peacefully. And what have we learned?


23 posted on 05/27/2011 7:15:00 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: wideawake

I agree with that.


24 posted on 05/27/2011 7:15:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: Dick Vomer
It's all on tape. No one was thrashing and he was the only one armed - he calmly killed an unconscious, unarmed crook in cold blood.

It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.

25 posted on 05/27/2011 7:16:25 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Dick Vomer

It was all on tape...the investigators would have figured out how many bullets were fired.


26 posted on 05/27/2011 7:20:43 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: A Strict Constructionist

There are actually many parallels between the two cases. Like the SWAT team in the Guerena case, Ersland fired far more rounds than necessary and endangered anyone in the vicinity - and Ersland made sure that his target was dead before any medical help could arrive. And in both cases, there’s video.


27 posted on 05/27/2011 7:20:46 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: khnyny

Ah, thread stalking. Very nice.


28 posted on 05/27/2011 7:21:44 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.


The events caused him to react. This was not premeditated. Hopefully you will never have this happen to you.


29 posted on 05/27/2011 7:24:00 PM PDT by o-n-money
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To: okie01

Well I was just saying that after the guy was shot in the head and laying on the floor, what threat did he pose? I think it was a bit over-kill on the part of the pharmacist. Then too, some of his statements to the police and investigators didn’t stand up. Just saying.


30 posted on 05/27/2011 7:24:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: MizSterious

Okie, (no pun intended) Dokie, so, if the pharmacist hadn’t emptied the magazine, and the Frenchman Antwun had died anyway, the pharmacist would have gotten off?


31 posted on 05/27/2011 7:27:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: wideawake

Thanks for ignoring my grammar.


32 posted on 05/27/2011 7:34:17 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS orRINO's.)
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To: wideawake
It's all on tape. No one was thrashing ...

False. There is nothing on tape that shows whether Antwun was conscious or unconscious or whether he was moving or not.

33 posted on 05/27/2011 7:39:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: o-n-money
This was definitely premeditated. After he put the crook down, he went outside and emptied his weapon into the air. Then he went back inside, past the unconscious crook, went looking for another weapon, found it, walked back over to the unconscious crook and shot an unarmed, unconscious man five times when he thought no one was looking.

Then he lied about what he did.

34 posted on 05/27/2011 7:40:57 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Nothing that happens in trying circumstances can be described as “premedidated”. Did he plan it days, weeks, hours ahead? Did he plan it?


35 posted on 05/27/2011 7:43:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: OldNewYork
And what have we learned?

I think we learned that Al Sharpton, Shiela Jacson Lee and the Black Caucus won't let us move on because ther is too much money in poverty pimping. 0b0z0 has made a living off of that. Sorry, you were foolishly trying to be reasonable. FReegards

36 posted on 05/27/2011 7:48:30 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Revolting cat!
Premeditation requires that someone stop, to decide whether or not they are going to commit a crime and then to go ahead and commit it.

The law does not provide for any free time outs.

He obviously planned it - he looked at the crook, he went back, walked behind the counter,, retrieved another weapon and then walked back over and fired five rounds into the guy.

37 posted on 05/27/2011 7:50:53 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.

I thought it started as an attempted armed robbery and ended as an attempted armed robbery.

38 posted on 05/27/2011 7:52:24 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: wideawake

“The law is a ass”. The law now says, go ahead rob those drugstores, the pharmacists have been intimidated now!


39 posted on 05/27/2011 7:53:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: TigersEye
If he was conscious and thrashing, he elicited no reaction in Ersland's body language or pace, and he confined all the thrashing to a very restricted area.

Ersland's demeanor as he finished him off was nonchalant, not the body language of a man dealing with someone who was harassing or resisting.

Ersland was not exactly following the old eightfold path on that one.

40 posted on 05/27/2011 7:54:22 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: MizSterious
Here is the surveillance video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHshsgpsxFg

Scorecard:

14 yr old with the gun - imprisoned until he turns adult. The maximum he could get as a juvenile.

16 yr old without any weapon - dead.

The two adults who sent the kids into the pharmacy to pull the robbery while they waited in the car - both convicted of felony murder, given life sentences.

41 posted on 05/27/2011 7:55:47 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: The Hogwarts of stupid.)
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To: SkyDancer
I spoke too soon. Your reservations were in order.

See #20.

42 posted on 05/27/2011 7:56:49 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Revolting cat!

The law is quite right to punish cold blooded executions of unarmed individuals. Had Ersland been satisfied with a headshot, he’d be a free man. But he decided to do an evil thing, and he got caught.


43 posted on 05/27/2011 7:57:37 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
None of that is evidence of anything and is speculation of the most far-reaching nature. Hardly the kind of thing to convict someone of Murder One on.

At least you tacitly admit that your previous statement that "it's all on tape" was false.

44 posted on 05/27/2011 7:58:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: wideawake
Ersland was not exactly following the old eightfold path on that one.

I wasn't aware that the law in any state in the U.S. was based on the Eightfold Path.

45 posted on 05/27/2011 8:00:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: wideawake

Too damn bad. Anyone who participates in a crime with a gun is taking the chance they will be killed. Yes, he was on the ground when he was killed. But there are too many other crimes committed the exact same way but with the unarmed innocents killed. Anyone who puts themselves in a violent situation is at risk and both those criminals knew the risk but did it anyway. Would you feel better if the pharmacist and his staff had been the ones executed? Would you be as horrified? Methinks not.


46 posted on 05/27/2011 8:01:18 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Revolting cat!

That was my question. Overkill, yes. And probably should be punished. Premeditated first degree murder? I doubt that the pharmacist was “plotting” to kill the SOB who tried to rob him.


47 posted on 05/27/2011 8:02:09 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: wideawake
The law is quite right to punish cold blooded executions of unarmed individuals.

The law in such cases differs from state to state, from country to country, and "cold blooded" is certainly defined in a variety of ways. "Cold blooded" is certainly not the mental state of someone who has just been assaulted or robbed, so that's where your argument fails. What happened, what reaction has been provoked in the aftermath of the robbery attempt, is in my opinion, entirely the responsibility of the robber. That is where we differ. No robbery, no "cold bloded execution", simple.

48 posted on 05/27/2011 8:04:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: okie01

No wurries. I sometimes do the same thing. I wonder how long it’ll take those people in OK to realize that as well. I’m thinking they’ve not read the whole story.


49 posted on 05/27/2011 8:06:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: wideawake
in many cases, it would be excusable to lose your judgement in the heat of the battle....being attacked by two men, one with a gun, the adrenaline, the "fight" or "flight" choice taking over all rational....

its not a great thing that he did....but it is what it is...he was being attacked and he lost control.....lost balance...

insane prosecuter discretion....I'll bet it was done to not provoke the poor Amish.....not for any other reason...

50 posted on 05/27/2011 8:09:12 PM PDT by cherry
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